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Nerf BAM & Boss HP. We don't have Talent System.

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  • DeadX wrote: »
    Are you nuts?

    Please dont consider nerfing BAMS ever again. In fact IF ANYTHING they should be buffed.

    What they can do is making it so you can do DAILIES AS A PARTY and not making people work extra for trying to do BAM dailies as a party.

    Its like they are trying to make the game independent gaming. IT'S AN MMO.


    yes, sooo aimed at solo gaming, those party buffs for doing an instance really up the rewards for soloers...oh wait, no they don't. nor can soloers even enter some instances they require a party. IoD is a case of you are supposed to earn the rewards, not faceroll them in a group. class balance patches are coming, nerfing anything until they arrive would be counterproductive.

    finally, a game is a game whether it's an mmo or pure single player, they are meant to be enjoyed and there is more than enough content already weighted towards grouping. to get the most players involved a mmo will have content for every type of gamer just smart business. some of you people seriously need to get it out of your heads that mmo always = parties. there's been very VERY few mmo's that didn't have solo content available or content that could be soloed without explicit lockouts.

    glad the developers at least understand how to make good all around games better than so many players.

    It's an MMO. Do you even know what that means?

    If people want to play alone they wouldn't be on the internet,

    There are a ton of games out there that will cater to that preference and TERA or any MMO are the complete opposite of that.

    It's towards grouping because its AN MMO durrrr lol. Why the hell would they make it online, only to make it strictly solo? They'd be wasting a ton of resources. You'd think that an explanation wasn't needed but wow... unreal.

  • Nektor wrote: »
    Lets start from which particular tier BAMs you guys are talking about. T3 naga/giants/hydras are just plain pain. Hydras are trowing freakin debuff 4 in the row. Even when i'm on gunner I cri 'hydra pls... staph'. Gians just roll on you like a train on rails and every hit is a KD. So when i get to nagas I go 'I... i love you guys, i really do' *wipes tears*

    Nerf BAMs on IoD EME please we don't have VM7 and talent yet.

    Im doing these in +12 schisma pretty easily.

    Seriously.. if you guys are having trouble it has nothing to do with the BAMS difficulty. It literally has eveything to do with the way you play.xtal,back hitting, using your dodges and movement attack skills to the highest potential.

    I can't even imagine how anyone is having trouble with these bams when im nailing the crap out of them with +12 schisma and lvl 58 xtals.

    People, stop complaining and put some back into it. Stop asking for things to be given to you. This game is easy a hell. You do 8 dailies for gold/material to get gear. 8 dailies.... jesus that is nothing.

    In other MMO's you need to grind 8 hours or more to build towards the gear you need/want.

    The idea that BAMs are too hard is ridiculous... seriously... Ive been playing for 3 weeks and find BAMs to be a breeze and ESPECIALLY gearing. 3 weeks of gamign and i already have a full +12 slaugther set, multiple costumes and skins, and 2 SF +12 pieces which i will get to +15 in about 1-2 weeks max if i play my cards right, possibly quicker.

    NO MMO should be this easy to gear in. It dies out quick the feeling of gearing isn't as rewarding so it is never really appreciated hence, the people quiting after 2 months of gameplay.

    EARN YOUR STRIPES this isn't a charity.
  • Juude wrote: »
    3 IOD high level BAM's in 15 mins...? What are you playing and how bad are you?!
    It takes me about a minute per BAM in +12 dread...

    If you need 25-30 mins as a brawler, you are a terrible, terrible player....

    Don't nerf the BAM's, it's the classes that need their damage raised. Make the BAM's easier to kill and brawlers/ninjas will finish this daily completely in less than 15 minutes.

    Spot on ^^

    Legit post, I approve this message :proud:
  • Ginjitsu wrote: »
    It takes me about 15mins with Lucid +15 Brawler to complete 3x IoD Vanguard dailies.

    With a Brawler huh, since that's what he's talking about and not the other classes he listed you know the "not Brawler" classes, can you also kill stuff with a Gunner? That would be big news as well........
  • NopiNopi ✭✭✭✭✭
    I see a lot of rage in this thread against lower skill players. Sadly, both sides have the right to speak around here, so there's nothing anyone can do to stop the rage and Q.Q. So as I said in another thread, we all should have a good deal of heat resistance to not blow up into rage just because of a game.

    Thing is, it is what it is right now. Sure, I'm one of those who has a slow time with these bams(at least the T3 versions). I also don't mind to be called a terrible player. Can't be offended by what I already know and accepted. :) I'm also and one who plays this solo because as far as I know and have searched there's no Tera Offline available anywhere. Yes. I don't Q.Q about it. I try to improve what I can though I know my skill ceiling is low. I don't have gamer DNA even though I've been at it for more than 30 years. And if I have to start a thread about something, it'd be to ask how to improve instead of asking to have the game catered to me. Though everyone has the right to ask for things to make their own game easier. Who knows if others listen to a plea like that after all..

    As for solutions for this? No. Nerfing bams is not it, in my opinion. Buffing them and making them party-only content wouldn't benefit me personally. I'd probably make me just leave the game if everything turned party-only suddenly, and the devs and publishers know there's many people with my mentality about solo and party content. The solution to me is what some few have been posting around. To balance the classes so they work properly in both pve AND pvp. Sure. No solution would please everybody, but at least balancing the classes before anything else is done seems to me like a step in the right direction.
  • NektorNektor ✭✭✭
    edited June 2016
    Nektor wrote: »
    Lets start from which particular tier BAMs you guys are talking about. T3 naga/giants/hydras are just plain pain. Hydras are trowing freakin debuff 4 in the row. Even when i'm on gunner I cri 'hydra pls... staph'. Gians just roll on you like a train on rails and every hit is a KD. So when i get to nagas I go 'I... i love you guys, i really do' *wipes tears*

    Nerf BAMs on IoD EME please we don't have VM7 and talent yet.

    Im doing these in +12 schisma pretty easily.
    .

    On a brawler, right? And how the hell you doing those in shisma +12, does ilv req now is that low? +12 shisma is 397 it was a hassle to do nagas (pre TaR) in +12 shisma on some classes. So I bet you doing it brawler. But that islanad was made for people to roll a brawler. Dont know about your server, we call it Brawlers Island sometimes. They even introduces front crit crystal for that class.

    So your argument is invalid. Keep pressing 2 buttons and bragging about how skilled you are
  • DeadXDeadX ✭✭✭
    DeadX wrote: »
    Are you nuts?

    Please dont consider nerfing BAMS ever again. In fact IF ANYTHING they should be buffed.

    What they can do is making it so you can do DAILIES AS A PARTY and not making people work extra for trying to do BAM dailies as a party.

    Its like they are trying to make the game independent gaming. IT'S AN MMO.


    yes, sooo aimed at solo gaming, those party buffs for doing an instance really up the rewards for soloers...oh wait, no they don't. nor can soloers even enter some instances they require a party. IoD is a case of you are supposed to earn the rewards, not faceroll them in a group. class balance patches are coming, nerfing anything until they arrive would be counterproductive.

    finally, a game is a game whether it's an mmo or pure single player, they are meant to be enjoyed and there is more than enough content already weighted towards grouping. to get the most players involved a mmo will have content for every type of gamer just smart business. some of you people seriously need to get it out of your heads that mmo always = parties. there's been very VERY few mmo's that didn't have solo content available or content that could be soloed without explicit lockouts.

    glad the developers at least understand how to make good all around games better than so many players.

    It's an MMO. Do you even know what that means?

    If people want to play alone they wouldn't be on the internet,

    There are a ton of games out there that will cater to that preference and TERA or any MMO are the complete opposite of that.

    It's towards grouping because its AN MMO durrrr lol. Why the hell would they make it online, only to make it strictly solo? They'd be wasting a ton of resources. You'd think that an explanation wasn't needed but wow... unreal.

    evidently YOU don't know what it means, no where in the definition is there ANYTHING that says you must group...and in fact you can go to many mmo's INCLUDING this one to see how there is solo content included. you don't understand mmo's, you don't understand business so kindly don't argue with people who do.

    there has been only ONE company that has attempted the full social/forced socialization of players through game mechanics...and that's PWE. they failed miserably. well, besides the FB games. the industry doesn't even agree with you...that should tell you your premise is wrong right there.

    end reply.

    ok i've done the IoD bams on brawler, ninja, priest, mystic and gunner so far. they aren't that hard...to be blunt if you're having that kind of difficulty maybe the class you're currently playing just isn't for you or you need to seriously start thinking about strategy rather than faceroll.
  • DeadX wrote: »
    DeadX wrote: »
    Are you nuts?

    Please dont consider nerfing BAMS ever again. In fact IF ANYTHING they should be buffed.

    What they can do is making it so you can do DAILIES AS A PARTY and not making people work extra for trying to do BAM dailies as a party.

    Its like they are trying to make the game independent gaming. IT'S AN MMO.


    yes, sooo aimed at solo gaming, those party buffs for doing an instance really up the rewards for soloers...oh wait, no they don't. nor can soloers even enter some instances they require a party. IoD is a case of you are supposed to earn the rewards, not faceroll them in a group. class balance patches are coming, nerfing anything until they arrive would be counterproductive.

    finally, a game is a game whether it's an mmo or pure single player, they are meant to be enjoyed and there is more than enough content already weighted towards grouping. to get the most players involved a mmo will have content for every type of gamer just smart business. some of you people seriously need to get it out of your heads that mmo always = parties. there's been very VERY few mmo's that didn't have solo content available or content that could be soloed without explicit lockouts.

    glad the developers at least understand how to make good all around games better than so many players.

    It's an MMO. Do you even know what that means?

    If people want to play alone they wouldn't be on the internet,

    There are a ton of games out there that will cater to that preference and TERA or any MMO are the complete opposite of that.

    It's towards grouping because its AN MMO durrrr lol. Why the hell would they make it online, only to make it strictly solo? They'd be wasting a ton of resources. You'd think that an explanation wasn't needed but wow... unreal.

    evidently YOU don't know what it means, no where in the definition is there ANYTHING that says you must group...and in fact you can go to many mmo's INCLUDING this one to see how there is solo content included. you don't understand mmo's, you don't understand business so kindly don't argue with people who do.

    there has been only ONE company that has attempted the full social/forced socialization of players through game mechanics...and that's PWE. they failed miserably. well, besides the FB games. the industry doesn't even agree with you...that should tell you your premise is wrong right there.

    end reply.

    ok i've done the IoD bams on brawler, ninja, priest, mystic and gunner so far. they aren't that hard...to be blunt if you're having that kind of difficulty maybe the class you're currently playing just isn't for you or you need to seriously start thinking about strategy rather than faceroll.

    MMO= Massively Multiplayer Online

    Obviously dont have a darn clue what the heck you're talking about nor did you know the meaning of MMO, lets be honest.

    The whole idea of an MMO is so that you could play with other people around the world. What part of that did you get "this is suppose to cater towards solo gaming"?

    If you want to play alone get on your super nintendo or some [filtered] lol.
  • NopiNopi ✭✭✭✭✭
    The thing is, mmos back then were started as a way to always group people. But because of people's schedules, social habits and preferences, over the years, more and more mmos began releasing portions of their games to cater to solo players.

    Anyway. this talk about what an mmo is could be set for it' own thread, in my opinion. I may be derailing the subject in this one too much.
  • JinxyKat39JinxyKat39 ✭✭✭
    It does not take that long on brawler. Half an hour? Egads! Admittedly, other classes like sorc and archer have a harder time, but that's a matter of class balance, which feels like it will never be properly addressed by BHS...we'll have to wait and see. We do not need BAM nerfs.
  • JuudeJuude ✭✭✭
    JinxyKat39 wrote: »
    It does not take that long on brawler. Half an hour? Egads! Admittedly, other classes like sorc and archer have a harder time, but that's a matter of class balance, which feels like it will never be properly addressed by BHS...we'll have to wait and see. We do not need BAM nerfs.

    If a priest could finish it around the same time as a pure DPS class, then there's a problem.
  • DeadXDeadX ✭✭✭
    DeadX wrote: »
    DeadX wrote: »
    Are you nuts?

    Please dont consider nerfing BAMS ever again. In fact IF ANYTHING they should be buffed.

    What they can do is making it so you can do DAILIES AS A PARTY and not making people work extra for trying to do BAM dailies as a party.

    Its like they are trying to make the game independent gaming. IT'S AN MMO.


    yes, sooo aimed at solo gaming, those party buffs for doing an instance really up the rewards for soloers...oh wait, no they don't. nor can soloers even enter some instances they require a party. IoD is a case of you are supposed to earn the rewards, not faceroll them in a group. class balance patches are coming, nerfing anything until they arrive would be counterproductive.

    finally, a game is a game whether it's an mmo or pure single player, they are meant to be enjoyed and there is more than enough content already weighted towards grouping. to get the most players involved a mmo will have content for every type of gamer just smart business. some of you people seriously need to get it out of your heads that mmo always = parties. there's been very VERY few mmo's that didn't have solo content available or content that could be soloed without explicit lockouts.

    glad the developers at least understand how to make good all around games better than so many players.

    It's an MMO. Do you even know what that means?

    If people want to play alone they wouldn't be on the internet,

    There are a ton of games out there that will cater to that preference and TERA or any MMO are the complete opposite of that.

    It's towards grouping because its AN MMO durrrr lol. Why the hell would they make it online, only to make it strictly solo? They'd be wasting a ton of resources. You'd think that an explanation wasn't needed but wow... unreal.

    evidently YOU don't know what it means, no where in the definition is there ANYTHING that says you must group...and in fact you can go to many mmo's INCLUDING this one to see how there is solo content included. you don't understand mmo's, you don't understand business so kindly don't argue with people who do.

    there has been only ONE company that has attempted the full social/forced socialization of players through game mechanics...and that's PWE. they failed miserably. well, besides the FB games. the industry doesn't even agree with you...that should tell you your premise is wrong right there.

    end reply.

    ok i've done the IoD bams on brawler, ninja, priest, mystic and gunner so far. they aren't that hard...to be blunt if you're having that kind of difficulty maybe the class you're currently playing just isn't for you or you need to seriously start thinking about strategy rather than faceroll.

    MMO= Massively Multiplayer Online

    Obviously dont have a darn clue what the heck you're talking about nor did you know the meaning of MMO, lets be honest.

    The whole idea of an MMO is so that you could play with other people around the world. What part of that did you get "this is suppose to cater towards solo gaming"?

    If you want to play alone get on your super nintendo or some [filtered] lol.

    honesty? from you? lol. name one mmo that requires everything be done in a group...oh wait YOU CAN'T. the business of mmo's is to attract as many players as possible, that's why there's solo content. as i said, you don't even understand the industry of mmo's lol. as to tera and the IoD bams, those are supposed to be a challenge, not a group faceroll which they WOULD be if grouping allowed you to kill just 10 for the entire group.

    you don't even understand the mechanics behind what they do in this game lol. all you care about is you can't do it at the high speed with back up that you're used to. bet you were on of those TAR addicts.

    do your own research eh? show me an mmo that's group only, no solo content or soloable content whatsoever eh? go ahead, prove your statements...cause i can sure as hell prove mine. you can say whatever the hell you want...proving it on the other hand something else entirely...and you lack proof, all you have is a mistaken belief.
  • DeadX wrote: »
    DeadX wrote: »
    DeadX wrote: »
    Are you nuts?

    Please dont consider nerfing BAMS ever again. In fact IF ANYTHING they should be buffed.

    What they can do is making it so you can do DAILIES AS A PARTY and not making people work extra for trying to do BAM dailies as a party.

    Its like they are trying to make the game independent gaming. IT'S AN MMO.


    yes, sooo aimed at solo gaming, those party buffs for doing an instance really up the rewards for soloers...oh wait, no they don't. nor can soloers even enter some instances they require a party. IoD is a case of you are supposed to earn the rewards, not faceroll them in a group. class balance patches are coming, nerfing anything until they arrive would be counterproductive.

    finally, a game is a game whether it's an mmo or pure single player, they are meant to be enjoyed and there is more than enough content already weighted towards grouping. to get the most players involved a mmo will have content for every type of gamer just smart business. some of you people seriously need to get it out of your heads that mmo always = parties. there's been very VERY few mmo's that didn't have solo content available or content that could be soloed without explicit lockouts.

    glad the developers at least understand how to make good all around games better than so many players.

    It's an MMO. Do you even know what that means?

    If people want to play alone they wouldn't be on the internet,

    There are a ton of games out there that will cater to that preference and TERA or any MMO are the complete opposite of that.

    It's towards grouping because its AN MMO durrrr lol. Why the hell would they make it online, only to make it strictly solo? They'd be wasting a ton of resources. You'd think that an explanation wasn't needed but wow... unreal.

    evidently YOU don't know what it means, no where in the definition is there ANYTHING that says you must group...and in fact you can go to many mmo's INCLUDING this one to see how there is solo content included. you don't understand mmo's, you don't understand business so kindly don't argue with people who do.

    there has been only ONE company that has attempted the full social/forced socialization of players through game mechanics...and that's PWE. they failed miserably. well, besides the FB games. the industry doesn't even agree with you...that should tell you your premise is wrong right there.

    end reply.

    ok i've done the IoD bams on brawler, ninja, priest, mystic and gunner so far. they aren't that hard...to be blunt if you're having that kind of difficulty maybe the class you're currently playing just isn't for you or you need to seriously start thinking about strategy rather than faceroll.

    MMO= Massively Multiplayer Online

    Obviously dont have a darn clue what the heck you're talking about nor did you know the meaning of MMO, lets be honest.

    The whole idea of an MMO is so that you could play with other people around the world. What part of that did you get "this is suppose to cater towards solo gaming"?

    If you want to play alone get on your super nintendo or some [filtered] lol.

    honesty? from you? lol. name one mmo that requires everything be done in a group...oh wait YOU CAN'T. the business of mmo's is to attract as many players as possible, that's why there's solo content. as i said, you don't even understand the industry of mmo's lol. as to tera and the IoD bams, those are supposed to be a challenge, not a group faceroll which they WOULD be if grouping allowed you to kill just 10 for the entire group.

    you don't even understand the mechanics behind what they do in this game lol. all you care about is you can't do it at the high speed with back up that you're used to. bet you were on of those TAR addicts.

    do your own research eh? show me an mmo that's group only, no solo content or soloable content whatsoever eh? go ahead, prove your statements...cause i can sure as hell prove mine. you can say whatever the hell you want...proving it on the other hand something else entirely...and you lack proof, all you have is a mistaken belief.

    It was depedant on groups.. Again you're clueless. Talking about business wtf? YOU DONT EVEN KNOW THE FACTS OF TERA ALONE. Such a silly person, hard to take you seriously.

    BAMS were a group effort before we had cry babies like you and many others whining about the difficulty of BAMS. Which for the record were fun and doable solo. I played on release and soloing BAMS was intense and fun. It took a party to take them out.

    The game is CLEARLY meant to be played as groups. We got support/tank/dps classes. If you can't see that then you're truely a lost.

    Proof? Are you blind or troll? WE HAVE SUPPORT CLASSES...
  • SawaoSawao ✭✭
    dinners wrote: »
    Unlike Ktera, We don't have Talent System.

    Have you even try to clear IOD high Ivl BAM with archer, sorc, zerker, priest? Ktera brawler clears 3x IOD high lvl bam in 15min. N/A brawler takes 25~30min.

    EME you need to nerf BAM and Some Boss HP.

    1. Nerf BAM and Boss HP by 10~20%.
    2. Increase the duration of Gold mote from BAM to 2~3min. or increase Gold mote drop rate. Currently, gold mote drop rate is like 1/7.
    3. Better reward from SSNM, DFHM, WH. It takes longer but the reward is lame.

    kTera brawlers do have significantly more DPS but that's only because of base damage and power increases and the significant reduction on Haymaker cooldown. But that should not be making IoD take significantly less time. If anything, it'll help them shave a couple minutes off. I'm rocking a +14 Lucid brawler and it takes me less than 15 minutes to do three tier 3 BAM's.

    While I agree entirely that keen motes need a boost in drop rate (as that would give legacy classes the edge they need to do it at a reasonable time), here's some things you can do to make it faster:

    1. Maximize crit factor. Use tokens to buy three pieces of crit jewelry and use Desolarus Tokens to get two more pieces of crit jewelry. If you're not rocking around +200 at least, then you can't be expected to finish this in any reasonable amount of time (even that's pretty low - my warrior with +270 crit still struggles for red damage).
    2. Get a flying mount. Even the free one from the Amadjuak quest will make it significantly faster. Being able to mount, take flight, and blast towards your next BAM will make the process take way less time. Especially for brawlers who need to maintain Growing Fury in between BAM's.
    3. This is probably obvious but use charms, nostrums, scrolls, and buffs, and Bravery Potion. Buffs and Bravery Pot make such a significant impact on clearing these it's stupid.
    4. Find a "spot" for each set of BAMs where the distance between two or more is significantly less. A big chunk of time on IoD is spent running between BAM's. If you can find any spot where two to three are somewhat close together and stay there, you'll shave off a noticeable margin of time.
    5. Pop your "auto-win" buffs off cooldown if a BAM isn't already close to dying. Growing Fury/Deadly Gamble/In Cold Blood/Bloodlust/Shadow Reaping will make this process much easier. These and ultimate techniques like Balder's Vengeance/Fire Avalanche/Divine Wrath when the boss will die from the impact will speed things up a lot. Use brooches and Cutthroat League Murderous Intent if you have it.
    6. If doing Teraliths, just use back-crit setup.
    7. Find an empty channel. I can't stress that one enough.
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