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lol i have played 3 or 4 other mmos and still to this day I am terrible at mechanics, positioning what not i would play with only 3 other ppl and our guild leader was an elite player ( yeah worked his nerve i did when they dragged me into dungeons.) I like exploring and oohing and ahing the scenery. And most if not all dungeons ppl want to get in and get done. I have one mode forward and kill everything so i dont subject ppl to this and yeah facetank all the time. alll the bad stuff. but this information is good for those that can learn. I just recently started to "kite" a little but i forget and go back to facetanking.
current gear has 1 year cycle
Though this apparently has just recently made me 'enemy number one' as that Priest was from one of the 'popular guilds' now if I get in a group with anyone who knows or associates with that Priest or her guild, I get kicked automatically from the group simply because I told her to "learn how to play correctly", and after being told to "shut the [filtered] up" I told her to logoff and if necessary, uninstall the game if she refused to do so because she will just frustrate people. Anyone who is with me in the queue also gets kicked (before I do) so that they can have majority to remove me from the group, all because they are salty that I told her she needed to learn how to play the game. Grow up, folks.
The deal is: if you do know how is your play style, and you already warn people about it, that you don't concentrate on anything else than whacking stuff up, then well, they've been warned as well. If you don't jump into groups of fast runs, or groups looking for experienced people, you just run with your friends that are OK with this, then I see why not. I see no reason for someone that has absolutely 0 to do with it coming to say "no, you do this and that". It IS different if you go on and queue for random groups and when they want to do the run quickly and such you keep there. But if it's with a group of people that don't care about it, well, they don't care then what's up?
That's the big difference here: some people just don't want to care. Fine as long as on their group. Not fine when trying to enter the ones who expect more.
People tend to forget the time, place and occasion factors. When in a situation when the group expects you to pull your weight, OR learn how to do so, you either do or drop. When the group itself is laid-back, not caring about it, whatever else, then it's another story altogether.
because sometime the team fail in the dungeon, so after 4 fails we start to see how we fail and unfortunaly it is often because the dude who die the most
for exemple when i level up my cute elin gunner, my group was stuck with mystic who didnt heal, he just tried to dps and we asked him to stop dps and heal us, so it is why sometime we say to people how to play
So it makes sense for every player involved in the party to use the class properly regardless if its a healer or a tank to improve the run which will lead into more fun during the fight and more satisfaction after clearing ( besides doing more runs with the time available ).
Anyway.. i am sorry to have to say it but after so many dungeon runs i have my eyes trained and i can see from the first boss who is trying and who is just being silly.. and god knows how annoying is for me ( i play tank/healer ) to see DPS classes that do not even bother to back crit attacking from the front or at the very least use consumables like canephora/bravery/etc which are so useful and yet so cheap at the broker knowing that they could do it but they do not want to which eventually makes everyone else to put more effort to cover the lack of efficiency.
Still.. each with his own.
If you want to bring quality to the party and be cool then you get a high five... and probably some hearts.
If you want to be silly and annoy yourself plus everyone else with your unfriendly and lacking attitude then.. anger happens.
This occurred long time ago but when we had fihm as the end game dungeon, we did a roulette IM and it selected finm. I remember running with a party and one of the dps did not have the right crystals. I usually never check people in game for their setups in runs since most runs I have personally done, usually I trust the people since I know them or trust my instincts. However, this was an IM run lol. One of the people in the party kinda called it out and said that this person has the wrong crystals but she said it a nice way. This kinda made me look but I didn't really say much since I know in IM you literally get anything so. But I felt okay in the rest of the party and that we can carry this run since it's normal mode. I personally get trapped in carry runs like 70 percent of the time lol so it was nothing to me anyway.
After the 1st boss we finish, we get to 2nd boss and one of the party member was trying to say what crystals are better to use and stuff for the new person. I nicely added on that you can also check essential mana and stuff for better understanding after the run since some info can be too much at that point and better understood within time. Come to find the player was recently new not many weeks yet. Even tho we did clear the dungeon, the player didn't do so bad and didn't die a lot. I thought the player kinda had the potential but needed some guidance. The person also had the patience to listen and was thankful to all of us in that run but sadly he/she was from a different server. Also found that that person was not in an active guild, so you can imagine some players probably go through these kinds of things and not able to get the right guidance. LIke someone mentioned in this thread, it depends on the person if they are willing to listen or not lol.
Which leads to my next experience: Two of my guildies and myself one day queue into lkhm during the rmhm patch and it was a triple drop event I think. I rarely queue but we were bored and my guildies kidnapped me into the IM. It was me (lancer), warrior and mystic. The other two that queued into our run was a zerk and archer. This run was actually one of the more painful runs I personally went through. The zerk had 3 pounding niveots on and we nicely advised before the 1st boss how to unlock more dps with the right crystals. At 2nd boss both zerk and archer died a lot and they put the puddles everywhere, making my job more difficult to keep the boss in one place but no surprise there since I'm always ready to expect the worst. At this point I convinced myself that they were both friends and thinking the archer was either being a troll or a really new player? The gear on the archer was the most latest and had everything good too, which was weird. Plus you can't even see skilled status if people are from different server. One of the guildies initiated a kick earlier in the run but it always got rejected, so we had to continue anyway.
And ofc at last boss, we literally carried the two. I don't even know how we broke lilith shield because it was just the 3 of us breaking it alone. At the end of the fight, both of them rolled on all the mats and guess what? They won almost all of the loot; it was not fair tbh when they were floormatting the whole time. They stopped rolling once they got like 4-5 powders? That whole run tho they didn't acknowledge our advice and laughed off at everything. After some words, they had realized that maybe they shouldn't have rolled at all and realizing we carried them. When it comes to these kinds of players, sometimes you only have enough patience to deal with them. Some are more upfront and will really bash them more than others. Some people can think they know everything and they take as an insult that others are telling them what to do or get better at. I personally have a high tolerance and patience but at some point I have to tell myself well hey this run is finally over and at least we didn't wipe but it sucks sometimes you have to deal with certain things at times and it is what it is at this point, lets get the hek out of here and move on.
How would you measure this when you are looking at a player that is doing poor but you don't even know him and never have been playing with him but only on that run?
Not everyone needs the same amount of effort to be in the average side and there are even some who with a little effort are in the top, however there are people that even trying their upmost can't get the same results as those players.
There is no excuse for being toxic if you are doing it intentional but new players and players that are not doing things the way should be done shouldn't take all advises as something negative.
This issue is feed by both sides, players taking positive advise as something bad and players being salty over a player that does not meet their expectations.
If you don't have the effort to read a basic guide and learn your class to preform to your best ability, why should we be nice to you? Why should we take the effort to carry you when we could go pick up someone who learned their class and have a clean, fast perfect run?? Like...hullo???
in IMS you cant chose your teamate, so it is you against RNG, of course you can kick the dude and pray than the next will be better, but sometime it is faster to carry than wait one hour or be stuck with worse players
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