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Please stop telling people how to play

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  • TWMagimayTWMagimay ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm always amazed at the amount of people who don't think it's rude and disrespectful to show up to a dungeon, throw your arms in the air and basically say "carry me, guys, cause I'm a casual/newbie and can't be bothered with being useful in this run". There are 4 other people in that party and you are ruining their fun, wasting their time and nerves. You don't get to demand anything when you initiated the rudeness and disrespect. I'll say, again, what I say in all the healer hine topics: Skilled players can tell if you are just hiding your laziness and selfishness behind being casual/a newbie or whether you are actually trying, you just haven't gotten the hang of it yet or maybe got some bad advice along the way. And their attitude will change accordingly to what they see in you. I've played with plenty of notoriously toxic elitist players who've been nothing but nice to me simply because they could tell I was trying to do things right. I've heard these people give pep talks to absurdly bad players because, at the end of the day, effort is what determines the attitude.
  • TWMagimay wrote: »
    I'm always amazed at the amount of people who don't think it's rude and disrespectful to show up to a dungeon, throw your arms in the air and basically say "carry me, guys, cause I'm a casual/newbie and can't be bothered with being useful in this run". There are 4 other people in that party and you are ruining their fun, wasting their time and nerves. You don't get to demand anything when you initiated the rudeness and disrespect. I'll say, again, what I say in all the healer hine topics: Skilled players can tell if you are just hiding your laziness and selfishness behind being casual/a newbie or whether you are actually trying, you just haven't gotten the hang of it yet or maybe got some bad advice along the way. And their attitude will change accordingly to what they see in you. I've played with plenty of notoriously toxic elitist players who've been nothing but nice to me simply because they could tell I was trying to do things right. I've heard these people give pep talks to absurdly bad players because, at the end of the day, effort is what determines the attitude.

    lol i have played 3 or 4 other mmos and still to this day I am terrible at mechanics, positioning what not i would play with only 3 other ppl and our guild leader was an elite player ( yeah worked his nerve i did when they dragged me into dungeons.) I like exploring and oohing and ahing the scenery. And most if not all dungeons ppl want to get in and get done. I have one mode forward and kill everything so i dont subject ppl to this and yeah facetank all the time. alll the bad stuff. but this information is good for those that can learn. I just recently started to "kite" a little but i forget and go back to facetanking.
  • this is why I play the game solo. I don't have to deal with crap like that anymore. I know I don't get to play everything the game has to offer, but im not going to grind hours upon hours a day just to try to have the newest set of gear, only for it to be obsolete 2 or 3 months after getting it and having to start all over again. also when people start cursing at me in the game, that's when my performance happens to go down for some reason. if you don't give respect, then you don't get it from me. so for the past 3 years I play solo and not worry about it. I still have fun doing my own thing.
    I remember when I did run with others, before the foa patch, people would yell and curse at me for picking up drops from the mobs. I had like 1k gold back then , so I picked up everything to try and sell. I made over 10k just in campfires when they became unusable, and about the same in potions and low level charms. then people trying to tell me what crystals I had to use if I wanted to run something. I used 2 types of crystals then and still do today...4 attack enemies, 4 defense against enemies, 4 attack bosses, 4 def against bosses. I never had any problems then nor do I have any now. so yeah, people should ease up on the whole " you play my way or you cant play with me " thing. I know people use " its the internet " excuse to justify their bad behavior to others, but these same keyboard cowboys wouldn't pull that crap in the real world or they would get monkey stomped. not by me of course due to being a handicapped female and all, but its whatever. I hang on ch server cause of the roleplay and many people are pretty chill there. I feel like many need to step away from the game and get outside and interact with others in the real world sometimes. tera is just a game.

    current gear has 1 year cycle
  • I think many failed to read the part where I said I haven't ran a dungeon with anyone in 3 years. I didn't know about the crystal setups, and people would yell or curse at me. even though I wasn't the one laying on the floor all the time like those with proper set ups. but again, playing solo for the past 3 years have been fun for me, and I play my way, and everyone else can do their way. I don't bother anyone in the game and they don't bother me. I found that there are other ways to have fun in tera besides the grinding on the same dungeons on 16 characters over and over again. but everyone has their own way of playing and having fun. you may have fun doing those same dungeons, where some have fun afking in velka showing off their new mounts. I play the game to have fun. I don't take it serious anymore. when the day comes that im not having fun, then I will uninstall it and play something else. so far that day hasn't came yet.
  • Naru2008Naru2008 ✭✭✭✭
    The only time I have told someone what to do is when a Priest (or Mystic) was trying to tank by going ahead of everyone else, aggros the boss (let's say in TR) to the middle, then wonder why the actual tank is just getting to the boss when we were all dealing with MOBs, and then yells at him for tanking in the middle, when he's trying to pull them to where they want them.

    Though this apparently has just recently made me 'enemy number one' as that Priest was from one of the 'popular guilds' now if I get in a group with anyone who knows or associates with that Priest or her guild, I get kicked automatically from the group simply because I told her to "learn how to play correctly", and after being told to "shut the [filtered] up" I told her to logoff and if necessary, uninstall the game if she refused to do so because she will just frustrate people. Anyone who is with me in the queue also gets kicked (before I do) so that they can have majority to remove me from the group, all because they are salty that I told her she needed to learn how to play the game. Grow up, folks.
  • Sethadone wrote: »
    Unless they are inherently bad... Let them just play the game.
    I was in a warfront a while ago (PVP in Rift) and some guy commented on me being a tank. I whispered him back to say we'd talk later and we did. It was a really good conversation, each explaining pros and cons for a tank spec in that particular situation, and we ended as friends. Good advice is always useful, but griefing just makes for a bad day. :)

  • Sorry for not clarifying everyone, but of course in the higher dungeons you should have optimal set ups and rotations by now. GF, always using your buffs, whatever. But if its a 2 star, RG, KC, SF, sometimes people are still learning. Those are newbie dungeons after all. My main point is just be polite if you are trying to get a point across. It has a better chance of being (metaphorically) herd that way instead of rubbing it in their face.
  • ElinLoveElinLove ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gelos wrote: »
    TWMagimay wrote: »
    I'm always amazed at the amount of people who don't think it's rude and disrespectful to show up to a dungeon, throw your arms in the air and basically say "carry me, guys, cause I'm a casual/newbie and can't be bothered with being useful in this run". There are 4 other people in that party and you are ruining their fun, wasting their time and nerves. You don't get to demand anything when you initiated the rudeness and disrespect. I'll say, again, what I say in all the healer hine topics: Skilled players can tell if you are just hiding your laziness and selfishness behind being casual/a newbie or whether you are actually trying, you just haven't gotten the hang of it yet or maybe got some bad advice along the way. And their attitude will change accordingly to what they see in you. I've played with plenty of notoriously toxic elitist players who've been nothing but nice to me simply because they could tell I was trying to do things right. I've heard these people give pep talks to absurdly bad players because, at the end of the day, effort is what determines the attitude.

    lol i have played 3 or 4 other mmos and still to this day I am terrible at mechanics, positioning what not i would play with only 3 other ppl and our guild leader was an elite player ( yeah worked his nerve i did when they dragged me into dungeons.) I like exploring and oohing and ahing the scenery. And most if not all dungeons ppl want to get in and get done. I have one mode forward and kill everything so i dont subject ppl to this and yeah facetank all the time. alll the bad stuff. but this information is good for those that can learn. I just recently started to "kite" a little but i forget and go back to facetanking.

    The deal is: if you do know how is your play style, and you already warn people about it, that you don't concentrate on anything else than whacking stuff up, then well, they've been warned as well. If you don't jump into groups of fast runs, or groups looking for experienced people, you just run with your friends that are OK with this, then I see why not. I see no reason for someone that has absolutely 0 to do with it coming to say "no, you do this and that". It IS different if you go on and queue for random groups and when they want to do the run quickly and such you keep there. But if it's with a group of people that don't care about it, well, they don't care then what's up?

    That's the big difference here: some people just don't want to care. Fine as long as on their group. Not fine when trying to enter the ones who expect more.
    People tend to forget the time, place and occasion factors. When in a situation when the group expects you to pull your weight, OR learn how to do so, you either do or drop. When the group itself is laid-back, not caring about it, whatever else, then it's another story altogether.
  • vkobevkobe ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sethadone wrote: »
    Unless they are inherently bad, lets say...a dps not using right crystals, not using their skills often, (god forbid only auto attacking) no potions, ect ect. Let them just play the game. Not doing what YOU think is right is no excuse. And even then, if they are listening, tell them politely, don't just go "Use growing fury brawler ffs".

    Brawler not using growing fury? why does it matter if they are putting out decent damage (for whatever tier dungeon they are geared for) and holding aggro comfortably, why bother them about it? if a dps is using the best set up available to them currently, but still are doing not the best damage, don't bash them over it if they are doing their part and doing mechanics correctly. If healers are properly healing and keeping a party alive and buffed, don't shout at them cause they forget a debuff or something. They are still keeping you guys alive and that's what counts.

    It doesn't take much to be a decent human being. With all the negativity in the world today, just be kind. You might just make someones day. Or even week. :)

    because sometime the team fail in the dungeon, so after 4 fails we start to see how we fail and unfortunaly it is often because the dude who die the most

    for exemple when i level up my cute elin gunner, my group was stuck with mystic who didnt heal, he just tried to dps and we asked him to stop dps and heal us, so it is why sometime we say to people how to play :)
  • There is a huge difference from using the potential of your class properly and simply doing the minimum required to pass the run. And the huge difference is that if every player does the minimum required then all of a sudden you will find yourself clearing a run x2 or x3 slower because the party will be at 50% or 30% of the optimal bar.. then i can bet that you will start saying "ffs this party is so bad lmao". That if you are not going to wipe which will most likely lead to a party disband.

    So it makes sense for every player involved in the party to use the class properly regardless if its a healer or a tank to improve the run which will lead into more fun during the fight and more satisfaction after clearing ( besides doing more runs with the time available ).


    Anyway.. i am sorry to have to say it but after so many dungeon runs i have my eyes trained and i can see from the first boss who is trying and who is just being silly.. and god knows how annoying is for me ( i play tank/healer ) to see DPS classes that do not even bother to back crit attacking from the front or at the very least use consumables like canephora/bravery/etc which are so useful and yet so cheap at the broker knowing that they could do it but they do not want to which eventually makes everyone else to put more effort to cover the lack of efficiency.

    Still.. each with his own.

    If you want to bring quality to the party and be cool then you get a high five... and probably some hearts.

    If you want to be silly and annoy yourself plus everyone else with your unfriendly and lacking attitude then.. anger happens.
  • feazesherofeazeshero ✭✭✭
    edited December 2017
    I can relate two different experiences.

    This occurred long time ago but when we had fihm as the end game dungeon, we did a roulette IM and it selected finm. I remember running with a party and one of the dps did not have the right crystals. I usually never check people in game for their setups in runs since most runs I have personally done, usually I trust the people since I know them or trust my instincts. However, this was an IM run lol. One of the people in the party kinda called it out and said that this person has the wrong crystals but she said it a nice way. This kinda made me look but I didn't really say much since I know in IM you literally get anything so. But I felt okay in the rest of the party and that we can carry this run since it's normal mode. I personally get trapped in carry runs like 70 percent of the time lol so it was nothing to me anyway.

    After the 1st boss we finish, we get to 2nd boss and one of the party member was trying to say what crystals are better to use and stuff for the new person. I nicely added on that you can also check essential mana and stuff for better understanding after the run since some info can be too much at that point and better understood within time. Come to find the player was recently new not many weeks yet. Even tho we did clear the dungeon, the player didn't do so bad and didn't die a lot. I thought the player kinda had the potential but needed some guidance. The person also had the patience to listen and was thankful to all of us in that run but sadly he/she was from a different server. Also found that that person was not in an active guild, so you can imagine some players probably go through these kinds of things and not able to get the right guidance. LIke someone mentioned in this thread, it depends on the person if they are willing to listen or not lol.

    Which leads to my next experience: Two of my guildies and myself one day queue into lkhm during the rmhm patch and it was a triple drop event I think. I rarely queue but we were bored and my guildies kidnapped me into the IM. It was me (lancer), warrior and mystic. The other two that queued into our run was a zerk and archer. This run was actually one of the more painful runs I personally went through. The zerk had 3 pounding niveots on and we nicely advised before the 1st boss how to unlock more dps with the right crystals. At 2nd boss both zerk and archer died a lot and they put the puddles everywhere, making my job more difficult to keep the boss in one place but no surprise there since I'm always ready to expect the worst. At this point I convinced myself that they were both friends and thinking the archer was either being a troll or a really new player? The gear on the archer was the most latest and had everything good too, which was weird. Plus you can't even see skilled status if people are from different server. One of the guildies initiated a kick earlier in the run but it always got rejected, so we had to continue anyway.

    And ofc at last boss, we literally carried the two. I don't even know how we broke lilith shield because it was just the 3 of us breaking it alone. At the end of the fight, both of them rolled on all the mats and guess what? They won almost all of the loot; it was not fair tbh when they were floormatting the whole time. They stopped rolling once they got like 4-5 powders? That whole run tho they didn't acknowledge our advice and laughed off at everything. After some words, they had realized that maybe they shouldn't have rolled at all and realizing we carried them. When it comes to these kinds of players, sometimes you only have enough patience to deal with them. Some are more upfront and will really bash them more than others. Some people can think they know everything and they take as an insult that others are telling them what to do or get better at. I personally have a high tolerance and patience but at some point I have to tell myself well hey this run is finally over and at least we didn't wipe but it sucks sometimes you have to deal with certain things at times and it is what it is at this point, lets get the hek out of here and move on.

  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    TWMagimay wrote: »
    Effort is what determines the attitude.

    How would you measure this when you are looking at a player that is doing poor but you don't even know him and never have been playing with him but only on that run?

    Not everyone needs the same amount of effort to be in the average side and there are even some who with a little effort are in the top, however there are people that even trying their upmost can't get the same results as those players.

    There is no excuse for being toxic if you are doing it intentional but new players and players that are not doing things the way should be done shouldn't take all advises as something negative.

    This issue is feed by both sides, players taking positive advise as something bad and players being salty over a player that does not meet their expectations.
  • Sorry but there is no excuse to be bad in this game anymore. Most dungeons are old and have multiple video and text guides. There's guides for every single class that is out if you just take 5 minutes to google it. Essential mana will come up and they have e v e r y t h i n g you need. If you are in a pre-60 dungeon, I agree that people just need to shut it because they're ez and don't really matter. 60+ dungeons have mechanics that can wipe your party if you didn't bother to either ask the people or read a fuckin guide man.

    If you don't have the effort to read a basic guide and learn your class to preform to your best ability, why should we be nice to you? Why should we take the effort to carry you when we could go pick up someone who learned their class and have a clean, fast perfect run?? Like...hullo???
  • vkobevkobe ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why should we take the effort to carry you when we could go pick up someone who learned their class and have a clean, fast perfect run?? Like...hullo???

    in IMS you cant chose your teamate, so it is you against RNG, of course you can kick the dude and pray than the next will be better, but sometime it is faster to carry than wait one hour or be stuck with worse players

  • On a side note:

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