The Maintenance on our PC Servers has completed. Servers are up and running, thank you for your patience!

Legality of Hi House Bill 2686 and the Free to Play Model

Is this why we are seeing Eme move away from lootboxes?

Since there is no initial purchase of a free to play game, would Enmasse still have to bar any one under age living in Hawaii from purchasing EMP if this bill passes?
(Would it even be possible or legally required for a publisher to verify a players age before allowing transactions?)

Will we see a rework in the F2P model if more states fallow suit?

If any, what is Enmasses back up plan to keep Tera profitable if loot boxes become illegal to sell to persons under 21?

Comments

  • ElinLoveElinLove ✭✭✭✭✭
    To be fair I'm not familiar at all with this law thing (and honestly couldn't care less since I'm Brazilian and as far as you say it wouldn't affect me), but ANYTHING that pushes away from RNG roulette into 100% sure purchases is a welcome thing. Nanny state or whatever isn't an issue I'll enter to discuss since it ain't concerning me here on the other side of the Equator, at least not horribly so.
    I mean I'm still fine with people betting their own money, it's not my loss, not my addiction, but turning this into the most profitable move is the big issue.

    If anything, they should have been working on better financial strategies than Cassino inside a game since the beginning, and if they do move totally away from it, I'm in. Yes, yes, obviously things can always get worse, but I don't bet on that. I can imagine this new model of adding a dyeable version for twice the price as the new trend, and I do hope and even expect it to succeed.
  • SatevaSateva ✭✭
    edited February 28
    Casino inside a game is the foundation of F2P.

    It will not effect your ability to buy your own EMP, it will how ever change how F2P works. Or, it will eventually become so unprofitable. F2P will start to disappear all together.

    The Bill is basically just categorizing the sales of loot boxes as gambling and more or less extending current gambling laws to games featuring them.
    (Nothing has passed yet, though talks have been had in many states on the issue, no other bill aside from Hi have been presented yet, chances are the issue will just fizzle out leaving Hawaii with an awkward unenforced law banning people under 21 from purchasing PubG, or buying EMP.)
  • What's interesting to note is that EME wouldn't get their money from the lootboxes themselves - just the purchases of EMP.

    So just make it so that people want to buy EMP to use on stuff (or just bank) outside of the usual lootbox shenanigans. If there must be lootboxes, then have them be cheap and at easy-to-swallow prices like the Frostsuit currently is (and certainly not like, say, the dragon boxes).
  • counterpointcounterpoint ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 28
    Sateva wrote: »
    If any, what is Enmasses back up plan to keep Tera profitable if loot boxes become illegal to sell to persons under 21?
    I doubt selling lootboxes to people under 21 is a major part of their business plan as it is. The vast majority of people below 21 who play TERA will be free to play, and use gold to buy whatever they want on the broker. So if someone over 21 buys the box, and puts the box on the broker where the person under 21 buys it for gold (and still opens the lootbox to "gamble"), how much will really change?

    Besides that...
    Sateva wrote: »
    Is this why we are seeing Eme move away from lootboxes?
    I would really like for them move away from lootboxes, but one product sold temporarily in this manner isn't yet indicative of a trend. Back when the ninja outfits came out, they also sold the rare version direct-sale, so they've done this before as a one-off as well. I do hope it's a trend, though...

    More than anything else, the things I've always asked for are posting the odds and implementing a failure cap. If the various threats of legislation do nothing but result in that finally occurring, I'll be pretty satisfied with the progress made.
  • YamazukiYamazuki ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 28
    Having a law to protect children from loot boxes is rather pointless. If a child takes their parent's credit card and blows a thousand dollars on loot boxes their parent has a right to request all the money back, which costs the publisher money in the end. Whales (biggest loot box buyers) are adults that high incomes. Any laws that equate loot boxes to gambling only hurts consumers as participating in gambling in some states (buying loot boxes) is an offense as high as a felony. This means if any of this were put on a national level, and actually enforced, buying a loot boxes on any game while residing in those states would result in you going to prison.

    There's also the fact there would be alternative loop holes to still sell loot boxes anyways, China has heavy restrictions on loot boxes and Blizzard for example simply made a slight change on how you get them in order to "sell" them in China.

    Sateva wrote: »
    Casino inside a game is the foundation of F2P.
    No, it's not. Random rewards in the West existed before F2P, and it was never necessary for F2P anyways. The largest F2P game had no loot boxes until several years after its release, and even then, everything but 1 thing in them can be bought directly (League). It's simply easier to shove things in a box and have it distributed randomly than to just produce new cosmetics of varying tiers regularly. Games like Tera see wide gaps between new cosmetics, and it is generally only 1-2 set every x time.
  • What @counterpoint said is true - this is not indicative of how we will be selling ALL items going forward. But it is a way we can sell some things, and I'm so happy that everyone is reacting positively to it.
  • counterpointcounterpoint ✭✭✭✭✭
    What @counterpoint said is true - this is not indicative of how we will be selling ALL items going forward. But it is a way we can sell some things, and I'm so happy that everyone is reacting positively to it.

    I've rarely wished more fervently to be wrong. But I do at least hope that, besides just getting kudos on the forums, the actual sales data will also back up that this isn't such an impossible option to pursue more broadly.

    (Like the male brawler coming out in a few weeks... crying out for something on the forum means little if the data doesn't actually back it up. We'll see what happens...)
Sign In or Register to comment.