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any no talent system for na/eu?

title, i just dont get why we cant have the talent system its a huge part of the game
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  • VinyltailsVinyltails ✭✭✭✭
    Because daddy BHS doesn't want to give it to us because "Too buggy" or insert other BS reason
  • hellnohellno ✭✭✭
    Its honestly pretty stupid we dont have it as all classes and content is 100% clearly balanced around talents. Pretty much all the "low tier" classes on NA have amazing talents in Ktera making them on par with all the other classes. For example Brawlers on Ktera do about 30% more damage than those on NA making them a very viable tank even in try hard runs. Here on NA you will never see a try hard run with a brawler simply because they are outclassed by lancer for min maxing party damage

    Another example is Ninja. Ninja is currently the lowest DPS class in NA, but in Ktera before awakening they were the Top DPS because of their great talents on atonement.

    The difference talents make is simply huge. You can notice the difference in how long it takes for Ktera to complete content compared to other regions. Ktera clears are usually 30% faster than other regions, which is simply stupid. There is no reason it should be this much longer for us for the same content.
  • CornishRexCornishRex ✭✭✭✭✭
    hellno wrote: »
    Its honestly pretty stupid we dont have it as all classes and content is 100% clearly balanced around talents. Pretty much all the "low tier" classes on NA have amazing talents in Ktera making them on par with all the other classes. For example Brawlers on Ktera do about 30% more damage than those on NA making them a very viable tank even in try hard runs. Here on NA you will never see a try hard run with a brawler simply because they are outclassed by lancer for min maxing party damage

    Another example is Ninja. Ninja is currently the lowest DPS class in NA, but in Ktera before awakening they were the Top DPS because of their great talents on atonement.

    The difference talents make is simply huge. You can notice the difference in how long it takes for Ktera to complete content compared to other regions. Ktera clears are usually 30% faster than other regions, which is simply stupid. There is no reason it should be this much longer for us for the same content.

    This so much. Honestly it's getting a bit disgusting. Too much disparity between regions and it's felt really well in RMN/RMH.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    hellno wrote: »
    Its honestly pretty stupid we dont have it as all classes and content is 100% clearly balanced around talents. Pretty much all the "low tier" classes on NA have amazing talents in Ktera making them on par with all the other classes. For example Brawlers on Ktera do about 30% more damage than those on NA making them a very viable tank even in try hard runs. Here on NA you will never see a try hard run with a brawler simply because they are outclassed by lancer for min maxing party damage

    Another example is Ninja. Ninja is currently the lowest DPS class in NA, but in Ktera before awakening they were the Top DPS because of their great talents on atonement.

    The difference talents make is simply huge. You can notice the difference in how long it takes for Ktera to complete content compared to other regions. Ktera clears are usually 30% faster than other regions, which is simply stupid. There is no reason it should be this much longer for us for the same content.

    Yet we have brawlers at MT clearing RKE and don't complain about lack of talents.
  • ovrovr ✭✭
    edited March 2018
    Tbh, I'll probably quit after the awakening patch. After April 17th, the imbalances between classes are going to break the game. No one will play non-awakened classes, and if the do, they will get kicked from every PvE party. Not to mention that PvP is going to be 100% broken. This game was just starting to get back on its feet, too. Too bad BHS is ruining it for every region besides kTera. It wouldn't be so bad if we had the talent system, but BHS only thinks of sub-regions like NA/EU as some extra pocket change, so they aren't willing to invest in them.
  • ObsObs ✭✭✭
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    hellno wrote: »
    Its honestly pretty stupid we dont have it as all classes and content is 100% clearly balanced around talents. Pretty much all the "low tier" classes on NA have amazing talents in Ktera making them on par with all the other classes. For example Brawlers on Ktera do about 30% more damage than those on NA making them a very viable tank even in try hard runs. Here on NA you will never see a try hard run with a brawler simply because they are outclassed by lancer for min maxing party damage

    Another example is Ninja. Ninja is currently the lowest DPS class in NA, but in Ktera before awakening they were the Top DPS because of their great talents on atonement.

    The difference talents make is simply huge. You can notice the difference in how long it takes for Ktera to complete content compared to other regions. Ktera clears are usually 30% faster than other regions, which is simply stupid. There is no reason it should be this much longer for us for the same content.

    Yet we have brawlers at MT clearing RKE and don't complain about lack of talents.

    All the brawlers I know are complaining about the lack of talents.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2018
    Obs wrote: »
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    hellno wrote: »
    Its honestly pretty stupid we dont have it as all classes and content is 100% clearly balanced around talents. Pretty much all the "low tier" classes on NA have amazing talents in Ktera making them on par with all the other classes. For example Brawlers on Ktera do about 30% more damage than those on NA making them a very viable tank even in try hard runs. Here on NA you will never see a try hard run with a brawler simply because they are outclassed by lancer for min maxing party damage

    Another example is Ninja. Ninja is currently the lowest DPS class in NA, but in Ktera before awakening they were the Top DPS because of their great talents on atonement.

    The difference talents make is simply huge. You can notice the difference in how long it takes for Ktera to complete content compared to other regions. Ktera clears are usually 30% faster than other regions, which is simply stupid. There is no reason it should be this much longer for us for the same content.

    Yet we have brawlers at MT clearing RKE and don't complain about lack of talents.

    All the brawlers I know are complaining about the lack of talents.

    The ones you know are not all the brawlers doing RKE and not all the brawlers at MT.
  • SolheimSolheim ✭✭✭
    Talent system either needs to come to other regions or just be scrapped and have the needed talents added to skills like they did with slayer.
    Ninja was in a good spot in Ktera, awful spot NA. And it's only getting worse when awakening/godsfall hits.

    Additionally, all the content is there in-game. They just have to fully translate it and enable the system.

    I might be an outlier, but I'd greatly prefer getting talent system and waiting 2-6 months for awakening than getting awakening now.

    As has been stated, BHS obviously balances around talents. That balance effects us, but we don't get to see or utilize the reason behind those changes.

    And let's not even mention that zerks post awakening are going to be "press f to top dps".
  • PartyblastPartyblast ✭✭✭✭
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    Obs wrote: »
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    hellno wrote: »
    Its honestly pretty stupid we dont have it as all classes and content is 100% clearly balanced around talents. Pretty much all the "low tier" classes on NA have amazing talents in Ktera making them on par with all the other classes. For example Brawlers on Ktera do about 30% more damage than those on NA making them a very viable tank even in try hard runs. Here on NA you will never see a try hard run with a brawler simply because they are outclassed by lancer for min maxing party damage

    Another example is Ninja. Ninja is currently the lowest DPS class in NA, but in Ktera before awakening they were the Top DPS because of their great talents on atonement.

    The difference talents make is simply huge. You can notice the difference in how long it takes for Ktera to complete content compared to other regions. Ktera clears are usually 30% faster than other regions, which is simply stupid. There is no reason it should be this much longer for us for the same content.

    Yet we have brawlers at MT clearing RKE and don't complain about lack of talents.

    All the brawlers I know are complaining about the lack of talents.

    The ones you know are not all the brawlers doing RKE and not all the brawlers at MT.

    Except Obs is in the top guild of MT? To clarify, his guild mostly does endgame content (which is RKE btw) and has brawlers on MT that do said content. Nearly 80% of the endgame community is complaining about the lack of talents and the balance of the dungeons. Yes Brawlers are clearing RKE but did Hellno say clearing? No he said try hard runs, and not a whole lot of groups use Brawlers for try hard runs.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    Partyblast wrote: »
    Except Obs is in the top guild of MT? To clarify, his guild mostly does endgame content (which is RKE btw) and has brawlers on MT that do said content. Nearly 80% of the endgame community is complaining about the lack of talents and the balance of the dungeons. Yes Brawlers are clearing RKE but did Hellno say clearing? No he said try hard runs, and not a whole lot of groups use Brawlers for try hard runs.

    And I didn't say all the brawlers, however is pretty funny how some people trow random numbers without something to backup like 80% of the end-game comunity, something that you or obs nor anyone can claim because they don't have the knowledge of all the active player base running content, and by knowlegde I mean what does they really think and not putting words on their mouths just because you think they feel the same as you.

    However, more like try hards those you may speak of are those doing score runs on slaying and complain they can´t do RKE in less than 5 minutes as koreans do without slaying. Try hard sounds more like people not good enought to be on top but bleed their body and soul trying to reach the same result as others do with less effort.
  • hellnohellno ✭✭✭
    edited March 2018
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    Partyblast wrote: »
    Except Obs is in the top guild of MT? To clarify, his guild mostly does endgame content (which is RKE btw) and has brawlers on MT that do said content. Nearly 80% of the endgame community is complaining about the lack of talents and the balance of the dungeons. Yes Brawlers are clearing RKE but did Hellno say clearing? No he said try hard runs, and not a whole lot of groups use Brawlers for try hard runs.

    And I didn't say all the brawlers, however is pretty funny how some people trow random numbers without something to backup like 80% of the end-game comunity, something that you or obs nor anyone can claim because they don't have the knowledge of all the active player base running content, and by knowlegde I mean what does they really think and not putting words on their mouths just because you think they feel the same as you.

    However, more like try hards those you may speak of are those doing score runs on slaying and complain they can´t do RKE in less than 5 minutes as koreans do without slaying. Try hard sounds more like people not good enought to be on top but bleed their body and soul trying to reach the same result as others do with less effort.

    Sadly any active "end game" brawler knows or should know how under powered they are compared to lancers. Sure they can clear content, so can any class, but why spend extra time on each boss when you can just take a lancer and clear much faster. Same with ninjas, why take one when you can take a warrior that can do 1m more than ninja. I have done a ton of LFG RKEM and parties always fill super fast when im on lancer, but when im on brawler it is usually WAY slower to fill up.

    Since you dont know what try hard runs are you should ask instead of assuming. Try hard runs is just trying to get the highest dps possible your party (or your self) can pull. It is more of a measurement of your skill with max buffs, the problem is taking certain classes hurts the overall group dps, which affects everyone's personal DPS. DPS in this game is very party dependent (pushing enrage, skipping mechanics with burns, etc). In Ktera the way brawler makes up for not having party buffs is having the damage of a DPS class. While in burn phases dps might be lower than running with lancer they can push enrage fast than lancer so there is more enrage up time to balance the run duration and party dps output. But in NA brawlers are sadly a decent amount lower than actually good DPS classes.

    Also the numbers being thrown out are not random, they are from comparing "top parses" on moongourd to Ktera's DPS. The damage difference from classes like Brawlers, Ninja, Sorcs, Slayers (before there buff) were HUGE and it is not from lack of skill. Its simply how big of a difference talent make for balancing the game. Also talents affect all classes, so even all the other classes are affected quit heavily by them, just certain classes are a bit more dependent.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2018
    hellno wrote: »
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    Partyblast wrote: »
    Except Obs is in the top guild of MT? To clarify, his guild mostly does endgame content (which is RKE btw) and has brawlers on MT that do said content. Nearly 80% of the endgame community is complaining about the lack of talents and the balance of the dungeons. Yes Brawlers are clearing RKE but did Hellno say clearing? No he said try hard runs, and not a whole lot of groups use Brawlers for try hard runs.

    And I didn't say all the brawlers, however is pretty funny how some people trow random numbers without something to backup like 80% of the end-game comunity, something that you or obs nor anyone can claim because they don't have the knowledge of all the active player base running content, and by knowlegde I mean what does they really think and not putting words on their mouths just because you think they feel the same as you.

    However, more like try hards those you may speak of are those doing score runs on slaying and complain they can´t do RKE in less than 5 minutes as koreans do without slaying. Try hard sounds more like people not good enought to be on top but bleed their body and soul trying to reach the same result as others do with less effort.

    Sadly any active "end game" brawler knows or should know how under powered they are compared to lancers. Sure they can clear content, so can any class, but why spend extra time on each boss when you can just take a lancer and clear much faster. Same with ninjas, why take one when you can take a warrior that can do 1m more than ninja. I have done a ton of LFG RKEM and parties always fill super fast when im on lancer, but when im on brawler it is usually WAY slower to fill up.

    Since you dont know what try hard runs are you should ask instead of assuming. Try hard runs is just trying to get the highest dps possible your party (or your self) can pull. It is more of a measurement of your skill with max buffs, the problem is taking certain classes hurts the overall group dps, which affects everyone's personal DPS. DPS in this game is very party dependent (pushing enrage, skipping mechanics with burns, etc). In Ktera the way brawler makes up for not having party buffs is having the damage of a DPS class. While in burn phases dps might be lower than running with lancer they can push enrage fast than lancer so there is more enrage up time to balance the run duration and party dps output. But in NA brawlers are sadly a decent amount lower than actually good DPS classes.

    Also the numbers being thrown out are not random, they are from comparing "top parses" on moongourd to Ktera's DPS. The damage difference from classes like Brawlers, Ninja, Sorcs, Slayers (before there buff) were HUGE and it is not from lack of skill. Its simply how big of a difference talent make for balancing the game. Also talents affect all classes, so even all the other classes are affected quit heavily by them, just certain classes are a bit more dependent.

    Are you aware that the best run with Lancer is about 1 or 2 minutes less at most per run of RKE? If brawlers and "end-game players" have their ego hurt because they have to spend 17 minutes in a dungeon instead of 15 then there is not much to say.

    Edit.
    Maybe try hard player for you is what a hard core player is for me. The try-hard falls more into the loser side mean while the hardcore is better know to be a skilled player most of the times.
  • hellnohellno ✭✭✭
    edited March 2018
    Its actually about 1-2 mins per boss, which is A LOT per boss. This is pretty much every boss, that adds up to 5-6 more mins per dungeon EVERY [filtered] TIME. This also means more consumables being used for each member of the party. That is not ok of a difference just because someone plays brawler over lancer. This is beyond skill it is simply class choice which is unfair to punish players that much.
  • Fun fact: All things being equal, brawler runs in korea are actually faster time wise, just worse for personal dps. The gap between the 2 tanks will only get wider in awakening without talents.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2018
    Taldek wrote: »
    Fun fact: All things being equal, brawler runs in korea are actually faster time wise, just worse for personal dps. The gap between the 2 tanks will only get wider in awakening without talents.

    Ketoth made a suggestion in a thread to give an amount of talents to all classes and with that reduce the gap between korean and non-korean regions.

    I think that was really interesting but who knows what BHS is thinking to do. I guess Ketoth suggestions works better than waiting for BHS to think what talents should be made pasives for each class.
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