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Awakening and the future of PvE

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  • HLK76PFWXTHLK76PFWXT ✭✭✭
    edited March 2018
    What about brawlers? At the very least i saw that in this video with TRNM the brawler had 3sec on haymaker? What is going on with that and why is it so low? New glyph? Lowered damage/cooldown?

    I keep hearing that the berserker/slayers will be gods but what about brawlers and possibly lancers?

    To be honest, i have played a brawler for a very long time but now i am thinking to reroll priest/lancer depending how the brawler dps goes since the priest/lancer classes have much more utility..
  • voidyvoidy ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gotta love how some classes won't even get a noteworthy awakening because they're already good with talents from ktera that we don't have. :^)
  • DWDE6GFGWHDWDE6GFGWH ✭✭✭
    HLK76PFWXT wrote: »
    What about brawlers? At the very least i saw that in this video with TRNM the brawler had 3sec on haymaker? What is going on with that and why is it so low? New glyph? Lowered damage/cooldown?

    I keep hearing that the berserker/slayers will be gods but what about brawlers and possibly lancers?

    To be honest, i have played a brawler for a very long time but now i am thinking to reroll priest/lancer depending how the brawler dps goes since the priest/lancer classes have much more utility..

    That is the power of talents, we don't get those or any kind of compensation. Because of those talents balancing starts to be really painful and unfair for other regions. We're talking about dungeons taking double the time over here compared to Korea.
  • HLK76PFWXTHLK76PFWXT ✭✭✭
    edited March 2018
    DWDE6GFGWH wrote: »
    HLK76PFWXT wrote: »
    What about brawlers? At the very least i saw that in this video with TRNM the brawler had 3sec on haymaker? What is going on with that and why is it so low? New glyph? Lowered damage/cooldown?

    I keep hearing that the berserker/slayers will be gods but what about brawlers and possibly lancers?

    To be honest, i have played a brawler for a very long time but now i am thinking to reroll priest/lancer depending how the brawler dps goes since the priest/lancer classes have much more utility..

    That is the power of talents, we don't get those or any kind of compensation. Because of those talents balancing starts to be really painful and unfair for other regions. We're talking about dungeons taking double the time over here compared to Korea.

    You mean to say that the brawler in this TNRM video had 3sec on Haymaker because of the talent system? I mean, the Haymaker skill is one of the most important skills for brawler in PvE and right now it usually has 7sec with all CDRs available so that means more than 50% CDR reduction and we do not have it? Ok.. I am going to take a nice breath and move on...

    So.. what about the awakenings? I kept hearing that the new stuff will be pretty good and it will boost classes but what about brawler? For example.. the dps from brawler will make a difference to deal with the utility from lancer? At the very least, i have seen that the brawler will get new offensive skills/passives while the lancer will get some defensive/offensive and i am really curious about the result ...

    The truth is that i have played brawler for so long and i was happy with it but more and more of the dungeon runs ask for lancer instead of brawler simply because the extra dps which is not even that much from brawler does not cover for the utility that lancer brings... And this is more or less the situation where players would prefer mystics over priests xD
  • VinyltailsVinyltails ✭✭✭✭
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q0qxSf-Ll1nfViF9SGf1kcA2I0CjO_N8dokgpx__o2c/edit# Reminder doc for every Awakening skill/passive that comes on the patch (Cooldowns may be different due to getting the patch that involved some awakened chances such as Slayer's Blade march (Their charging skilled) going from 5min to 3 and Zerk's 25% damage nerf. This could also mean Lancer's Adren rush nerf (Removal of their 5% damage bonus to monster has happened)

    Brawler does get some nice-ish damage buffs, but it's still decently far from the extra power Lancer's bring, and now they have a skil which negates 1 attack (depending on how this skill exactly works if it's like Ninja's smokebomb or just a set shield), which can introduce many "Cheese"/uptime strats on bosses to ignore mechanics ontop of the buffs they already bring, amplying the strength of awakened classes even further still. That, and along with the changes in some of their chains and skills, Lancer's DPS goes up quite abit.

    Brawlers will be forever behind Lancer until Brawler gets *something* that gives it party utility, as with pretty much every MMO out there, the utility meta always wins out
  • CassandraTRCassandraTR ✭✭✭✭✭
    Vinyltails wrote: »
    Brawlers will be forever behind Lancer until Brawler gets *something* that gives it party utility, as with pretty much every MMO out there, the utility meta always wins out

    Yep. Member the Lancer/War/Archer/Priest/Mystic only runs for max endurance debuff? I member.
  • hellnohellno ✭✭✭
    Vinyltails wrote: »
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q0qxSf-Ll1nfViF9SGf1kcA2I0CjO_N8dokgpx__o2c/edit# Reminder doc for every Awakening skill/passive that comes on the patch (Cooldowns may be different due to getting the patch that involved some awakened chances such as Slayer's Blade march (Their charging skilled) going from 5min to 3 and Zerk's 25% damage nerf. This could also mean Lancer's Adren rush nerf (Removal of their 5% damage bonus to monster has happened)

    Brawler does get some nice-ish damage buffs, but it's still decently far from the extra power Lancer's bring, and now they have a skil which negates 1 attack (depending on how this skill exactly works if it's like Ninja's smokebomb or just a set shield), which can introduce many "Cheese"/uptime strats on bosses to ignore mechanics ontop of the buffs they already bring, amplying the strength of awakened classes even further still. That, and along with the changes in some of their chains and skills, Lancer's DPS goes up quite abit.

    Brawlers will be forever behind Lancer until Brawler gets *something* that gives it party utility, as with pretty much every MMO out there, the utility meta always wins out

    Brawlers and lancers are actually really well balanced in Ktera. The runs take about the same as long with brawler being VERY SLIGHTLY in the lead on average. But brawlers have some of the best talents so in NA they are pretty low tier and no one wants them over lancers
  • VinyltailsVinyltails ✭✭✭✭
    CassandraTR wrote: »
    Vinyltails wrote: »
    Brawlers will be forever behind Lancer until Brawler gets *something* that gives it party utility, as with pretty much every MMO out there, the utility meta always wins out

    Yep. Member the Lancer/War/Archer/Priest/Mystic only runs for max endurance debuff? I member.

    I member
  • hellnohellno ✭✭✭
    CassandraTR wrote: »
    Vinyltails wrote: »
    Brawlers will be forever behind Lancer until Brawler gets *something* that gives it party utility, as with pretty much every MMO out there, the utility meta always wins out

    Yep. Member the Lancer/War/Archer/Priest/Mystic only runs for max endurance debuff? I member.

    When did archer's buff ever work as a party buff? As far as I remember it never did.
  • BlergBlerg ✭✭
    hellno wrote: »
    CassandraTR wrote: »
    Vinyltails wrote: »
    Brawlers will be forever behind Lancer until Brawler gets *something* that gives it party utility, as with pretty much every MMO out there, the utility meta always wins out

    Yep. Member the Lancer/War/Archer/Priest/Mystic only runs for max endurance debuff? I member.

    When did archer's buff ever work as a party buff? As far as I remember it never did.

    One of their traps had an endurance debuff for a while. It's gone now, as is Warrior's debuff, to prevent party comp favoritism.
  • hellnohellno ✭✭✭
    Blerg wrote: »
    hellno wrote: »
    CassandraTR wrote: »
    Vinyltails wrote: »
    Brawlers will be forever behind Lancer until Brawler gets *something* that gives it party utility, as with pretty much every MMO out there, the utility meta always wins out

    Yep. Member the Lancer/War/Archer/Priest/Mystic only runs for max endurance debuff? I member.

    When did archer's buff ever work as a party buff? As far as I remember it never did.

    One of their traps had an endurance debuff for a while. It's gone now, as is Warrior's debuff, to prevent party comp favoritism.

    Oh ya, forgot about that glyph.
  • DWDE6GFGWHDWDE6GFGWH ✭✭✭
    edited April 2018
    And another topic closed without any comment from Enmasse, this one will be gone soon too. We aren't overreacting about this whole situation. YES we are getting awakening, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't get any talent passives. Talents are by itself a 20-30% Damage boost and YES awakening will give us more damage. Thing is, Korea also got the awakening + they still have the talents. In the end Korea will keep doing 100% more dps per party and BHS will keep balancing around Korea.

    tldr; Awakening won't fix anything, in the end neither BHS or Enmasse cares about us.
  • flarecdeflarecde ✭✭
    DWDE6GFGWH wrote: »
    And another topic closed without any comment from Enmasse, this one will be gone soon too. We aren't overreacting about this whole situation. YES we are getting awakening, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't get any talent passives. Talents are by itself a 20-30% Damage boost and YES awakening will give us more damage. Thing is, Korea also got the awakening + they still have the talents. In the end Korea will keep doing 100% more dps per party and BHS will keep balancing around Korea.

    tldr; Awakening won't fix anything, in the end neither BHS or Enmasse cares about us.

    They made a comment a couple days ago, the answer was no.
    https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/22500/any-no-talent-system-for-na-eu/p4

    Opening new threads probably won't change the answer. It just makes more locked threads.
  • DWDE6GFGWHDWDE6GFGWH ✭✭✭
    flarecde wrote: »
    They made a comment a couple days ago, the answer was no.
    https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/22500/any-no-talent-system-for-na-eu/p4

    Opening new threads probably won't change the answer. It just makes more locked threads.

    And if you actually read, the answer from him was a no on the talent system. We are trying to get compensations, not the buggy talent system.
  • PartyblastPartyblast ✭✭✭✭
    DWDE6GFGWH wrote: »
    flarecde wrote: »
    They made a comment a couple days ago, the answer was no.
    https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/22500/any-no-talent-system-for-na-eu/p4

    Opening new threads probably won't change the answer. It just makes more locked threads.

    And if you actually read, the answer from him was a no on the talent system. We are trying to get compensations, not the buggy talent system.

    EmE won't read the alternatives people are suggesting, which includes a fix already looked into by Gameforge, they'd rather just state the same answer of "there are no plans to bring the talent system over" instead of actually communicating.

    But yea incoming thread lock like everything else.
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