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Please stop making brawlers if you don't know how to tank endgame.

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  • edited April 2018
    > @PyedPiper said:
    > There is only 1 tank class in the game and its not brawler, try reading a little bit online before you make stupid comments.

    that comment made you look very ignorant, I suggest deleting it
  • VoidBlueVoidBlue ✭✭✭
    I got into a dungeon that had 1 lancer, 1 priest, 1 warrior and 2 brawlers.

    I enjoyed it, the bosses went down fast. The healer seemed to not have to heal that much since half the group had blocking.

    Though of course this was a lvl 30-40 dungeon, but I thought the whole thing was hilarious and again a great time.
  • CalurCalur ✭✭
    DatGeek wrote: »
    TTKPPWLJFP wrote: »
    In WoW, you need to select your role when you queue, tank, dps, or healer. That would be nice here. If a brawler queued as dps the game would need to find someone else who queued as tank.

    Well, the obvious problem then would be if the brawler queueing as DPS is using aggro crystals and they also have aggro gen on their gear just like Lancers do by default.
    Brawlers should not be able to queue as a DPS. There are only two tank classes that can DPS: Warriors and Berserkers. This game has been out a lot longer than a week (counting the PC version obviously) so there will be many people (myself included) who know how to tank. That being said, many people on the PC also made the same mistakes when the Brawler was first released.

    There is a problem with the game which is notably present on the PC as well: the game does not specify at character creation that certain specs are role limited. This is important because most MMOs grant 2 or more roles per class whereas TERA has most classes locked to one role. You can't even queue in a dungeon as a different role.
  • DatGeekDatGeek ✭✭✭
    Calur wrote: »
    DatGeek wrote: »
    TTKPPWLJFP wrote: »
    In WoW, you need to select your role when you queue, tank, dps, or healer. That would be nice here. If a brawler queued as dps the game would need to find someone else who queued as tank.

    Well, the obvious problem then would be if the brawler queueing as DPS is using aggro crystals and they also have aggro gen on their gear just like Lancers do by default.
    Brawlers should not be able to queue as a DPS. There are only two tank classes that can DPS: Warriors and Berserkers. This game has been out a lot longer than a week (counting the PC version obviously) so there will be many people (myself included) who know how to tank. That being said, many people on the PC also made the same mistakes when the Brawler was first released.

    There is a problem with the game which is notably present on the PC as well: the game does not specify at character creation that certain specs are role limited. This is important because most MMOs grant 2 or more roles per class whereas TERA has most classes locked to one role. You can't even queue in a dungeon as a different role.

    Please read the entire post before quoting and replying.
    TTKPPWLJFP wrote: »
    In WoW, you need to select your role when you queue, tank, dps, or healer. That would be nice here. If a brawler queued as dps the game would need to find someone else who queued as tank.

    That's the post i quoted and replied to.

    I know that the brawlers can't queue for dps nor would i want them to be able to.

    It was a case of 'what-if' the game used the same system as World of Warcraft aka multi roles for most classes. Again, read the post you reply to properly before you reply.

    It may not tell players that the class is role restricted, but there's no law saying you're not allowed to use common sense and read the class description carefully, instead of clicking next/complete.

    It specifically states that the Lancer and Brawler are tanks. It even lists their strengths where tanking is maxed on both.

    As for Warriors and Berserkers, they are not viable tanks and lose aggro very fast if they try to tank, especially if there is an Archer in the group, but can replace a tank in a dungeon if NEED BE. Their primary tasks are DPS. Tanking is possible but it is not their intended role.

    I know the game has been out for years. I was one of the first players who attended the closed beta as well as the headstart and have played it since on an on and off basis.
  • W0W ...... and now you can see why so many MMO or other game based on team playing dosen't last long on console ..........


    Today ... everybody ( in general) only want to be the top overkill and dosent care the result of the team ........ just like shooter where pepole only care to there Kill / Death ration instead of round win ...

    in MMO if you want to clear the end game you have to play your role because the only thing matter is the dungeon clear .... not how much hard you punch ......
  • CalurCalur ✭✭
    edited April 2018
    As for Warriors and Berserkers, they are not viable tanks and lose aggro very fast if they try to tank
    I wasn't quoting you to correct you I was quoting you because I think a good number of players don't realize they are locked to one role when queuing especially since low level dungeons don't restrict you to one tank (or any tanks).

    Berserkers are one thing but Warriors can tank just fine. It's simply a lot harder to properly tank on a Warrior and 95% of a tank's job is consistent positioning which Warriors are not good at accomplishing. Brawlers simply do too much DPS to bother with a Warrior and Lancers are the most stable tanks with buffs and debuffs aplenty.
  • DatGeekDatGeek ✭✭✭
    Calur wrote: »
    As for Warriors and Berserkers, they are not viable tanks and lose aggro very fast if they try to tank
    I wasn't quoting you to correct you I was quoting you because I think a good number of players don't realize they are locked to one role when queuing especially since low level dungeons don't restrict you to one tank (or any tanks).

    Berserkers are one thing but Warriors can tank just fine. It's simply a lot harder to properly tank on a Warrior and 95% of a tank's job is consistent positioning which Warriors are not good at accomplishing. Brawlers simply do too much DPS to bother with a Warrior and Lancers are the most stable tanks with buffs and debuffs aplenty.

    I've been in groups with warriors acting as the tank but they fail hard at tanking for the most part, even with a full aggro glyph/crystal setup.

    1: They are evasion tanks, and they can't block incoming damage.

    2: They do have a debuff but it's nothing big.

    3: They can't hold aggro against an equal geared archer/sorc, valk etc even if they are using a full aggro glyph/crystal setup.

    In most dungeons, it's important to keep the boss facing in one direction to let the dps attack the boss from behind, but since the warrior have to dodge all over the place, it makes it that much harder for the DPS to do their job.

    Lancer and Brawler are the best tanks because they can both block and stay in one location.

    I do know that the warrior and berserker CAN tank, but they are just not viable, especially when it comes to end game content.

    I agree that most people aren't aware that the classes are role specific, and that is something that they should've added to the class descriptions a long time ago where it states "This class is a tank, and can only fulfill this role when doing dungeons. Only select this class if you want to act as the Tank" and so on.
  • CalurCalur ✭✭
    1: They are evasion tanks, and they can't block incoming damage.
    Did they revert that recently? I know the console version isn't the same as the PC but Warriors used to be able to block just fine. There's a lot in the console version that is not equal to the PC version so I may not be up to date on the state of classes in the console version of the game.
    They do have a debuff but it's nothing big.
    They reverted Torment to be an END debuff instead of an ATK SPD buff in the console version so it's a fairly good debuff. I'm not sure if they have their enrage ability or not.
    They can't hold aggro against an equal geared archer/sorc, valk etc
    A proper Warrior rotation with Scythe does a lot of damage. Especially since blocking grants a use of BD. Again, I don't know if they removed blocking or not; if they did then Warrior aggro would suffer as well.
  • Agreed, as a healer I see too many brawlers trying to facetank like a lancer can and suffer massive Hp drops because of it. While yes, you can tank please remember that you need to dodge attacks as well. Have a small sense of self preservation. I understand the game is new to console players but I mean it is basic MMO logic.
  • CalurCalur ✭✭
    There are some abilities you can block and some you need to dodge whether you play a Lancer or Brawler. Unfortunately, short of subjecting your group to a sub-par tanking experience the only way to know is to look it up on a 3rd party website. While that is commendable even doing that much the person tanking may still not recognize the ability cues the first time they try.

    Not sure if there's a solution to that.
  • If I'm playing a Warrior and I'm in assault stance when I queue and I select "no" when it asks me if I want to keep looking for a group without a tank and dps, does that mean I'll always get the DPS role?
    I short, I want to queue for dungeons as warrior and N E V E R get the tank role.
  • CalurCalur ✭✭
    When you queue up there is a role indicator. By default this should be checked DPS for a Warrior as far as I know. You cannot queue up for more than one role. If the game asks you that specific question it means you are not queued as a tank. Leveling dungeons before about level 50 or so can easily be done without a tank. I forget the name of it but the one with the dragon in the sky is probably the first one where a tank really helps. You don't absolutely need one until end game but your healer will have a harder time after level 50 or so.
  • VinyltailsVinyltails ✭✭✭✭
    oEASYLIFEo wrote: »
    If I'm playing a Warrior and I'm in assault stance when I queue and I select "no" when it asks me if I want to keep looking for a group without a tank and dps, does that mean I'll always get the DPS role?
    I short, I want to queue for dungeons as warrior and N E V E R get the tank role.

    Just say yes

    That message means "We can't find a tank OR DPS for this run, do you want to continue matching without looking for a tank or dps?"

    It literally means if you hit yes, you'll have a higher chance to get a non-standard party comp, ending up in either 4 dps and a healer, or 4 tanks and a healer...or a mix of both
  • I am sick and tired of queuing for Lilith only to get a brawler "tank" who doesn't taunt, doesn't block, and dodges more than the DPS...I literally had a brawler earlier in my group, we asked him if he was a tank, his response was "not really im more dps but I can tank a bit". FYI, in ENDGAME CONTENT you CANNOT complete it WITHOUT A TANK. If you do not know how to tank, and make a Brawler, and are too stubborn to learn to tank, please do us all a favor and reroll a Dps class.

    This game came out 2 freaking days ago! Anyways, how about, idk, maybe making friends as it goes or joining a guild or playing with friends you already have. Stop complaining.
  • edited April 2018
    > @Norfair said:
    > The games just come out. Give people some time to learn their classes :)

    The games been out a week, and that’s more then enough time to learn how to taunt a boss.

    the game just came out yesterday on consoles

    wrong the game has been out since the 27th of march, head start started on the 27th you had to pay for a founders pack or have twitch prime to log in, why do you think so many people are already 65 and full +12 t10?
    @Wi2ard
    I’ll refrain from getting further into this issue with you, as it seems you do not know of the matters in which you are speaking on. When queuing up for a dungeon, it automatically ensures you have 3 dps, a tank, and a healer so you can complete the dungeon. The problem is most of the Brawlers our there are making the class without understanding that it is in fact a tank, and will automatically queue you as the tank. Thus the group has 4 dps and one healer, which results in a bad experience for everyone. All I want is for people to understand that so dungeons can get done. Atleast until enmasse adds a dps option for brawlers, if you are a brawler and do not know how to tank, do everyone a favor and please do not queue up as the dungeon WILL NOT get completed.

    i agree with you man, i play a priest if the brawler wants to play dps then he can go play dps in the solo dungeons, i'd just sit there until he either decided to tank or leave. cant kick people with out unanimous vote from everyone i roll with my boyfriend before anyone says that i'd get kicked.

    healing someone who is playing something that is being qued up as a tank while trying to play dps doesn't work, you don't expect a sorc to be a healer when they are being que'd up as dps.

    The official game release was on the 3rd of April. Yeah you had founders packs early access and twitch early access, but everyone didnt purchase those founders packs, just like everyone didnt sub to twitch prime.
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