Give smart dyad niveot structure to pve store

Mobius1 · June 2016

Did YOU do the tests? Or are you just citing some test someone else did?

I'm a healer, so any tests I do, wouldn't matter in this case.

Your information has absolutely no proof. What were the exact circumstances of the test? I'd also like screenshots of each weapon, and what gear the tester was wearing.

Don't go spewing off "facts" with no evidence shown, to back it.

GlitchyTrash · June 2016

The damage test originally posted is from a reputable source who has given us a lot information from ktera in the past. Your math is correct but you are assuming that's how the damage is calculated when in the past tera numbers have been shown to be much more complicated.

Ketoth · June 2016

After reading this thread. Changing from dyads to whats is weapon is better.

I think i should test how much damage pvp power and defense give, so people dont discuss with how much pvp modifiers give.

GlitchyTrash · June 2016

Since no one wants to take anyones words here. I'll just go ahead and make a conflate sword and do the test. I could care less since I don't use either one but it will be nice to just show solid numbers that none of you can deny. Give me a day to do it all plz c:

JBGaming · June 2016

Conflate is a pvp gear. However you should look at all the design mats. Make sure you look at the lines too. See what lines benefit your class. Make sure you r base stats have pvp stats to begin with. Make sure you don't have to roll for them. I fyou have to roll for them. Then that particular piece is not meant for pvp. Presently a lot of classe's geared with SF will most likely outgear the conflate. It in my opinion is better to stick with Starfall and work towards Imperator. I personally won't waste my time getting the conflate gear.

Mobius1 · June 2016

Honestly, before hijacking this thread any further, I will open up a thread on the PvP forums, about testing PvP damage.

JBGaming · June 2016

Yes please do that. As it has seriously gone off topic. Thanks

Yuri · June 2016

I'm a bit confused where you guys are going with this, but this is how it is 100%.

VM 7 +15 > VM 6 +15 > Conflate +12
Keep in mind you're also losing an additional rerollable stat when using conflate compared to any of the VM-line gear.

JBGaming · June 2016

Yuri wrote

VM 7 +15 > VM 6 +15 > Conflate +12
Keep in mind you're also losing an additional rerollable stat when using conflate compared to any of the VM-line gear.

No offense, but could you please give us a visual example of proof other than just text. It would then be a bit more believable.

JBGaming · June 2016

I recommend closing this thread please due to it's off topicness.

darkstriker07 · June 2016

MunstridenVoT wrote: »

darkstriker said

1-pvp players got [filtered] on for AGES. pvp had absoluletly no gains at all til the recent ks/belli cred shops update.

Sorry for pvp getting screwed like that. Haven't been around as long as you to know that much. KS/Belli has been around since I started, there is no doubt it's an old concept.

the reward shops had nothing useful since that update.

and right now pve players complaining that they cant get some stuff they dont even need to clear hardest content easily.

You would have had to die over and over again consistently while learning those mechanics your self to say something like that. Once you MASTER those mechanics then yeah something THEN becomes easy to clear. So don't talk that mess, blatantly.

so you expect to faceroll everything at first try? hah yeah good luck with that. it doesn't take a billion runs to learn of the mechanics of a dungeon+ there are guides everywhere.

i mean for example, dyad niveot forceful effect gives 21 power while fine niveot gives 20 power effect. do you really need that 1 power.

First yes that 1 more power helps. Attack increases the damage your character does. Your attack is based on your power stat, plus any bonuses from your character’s item, such as weapons, gloves, rings, necklaces, and crystals. (See Understanding Stats)

no need to be a smartass im aware what power does. but its just ONE power. its very much negligible.

Second you should consider that second line regardless of it being random as it still helps you regardless of your class. Regardless of PVP or PVE it still helps and does a huge change, when you do dungeons. You actually see the difference in what you do compared to before.

um. ANY dyad has that secondary effect. you dont need a smart dyad to get that secondary effect.

2-pve is much easier to get a decent group for.

That depends on how you go about doing it, in either case.

no. pve is easier because you have full control over who will you go against(precoded bosses) and who will come with you.

you simply cant make a full premade in fwc for a %100 since you wont be controlling whos going against you, not by my knowledge,

I believe you can it's called raid party? If I am not mistaken. I could be ofcourse because my focus has not been PVP VS PVE.

only bg you can make a premade raid for is cs, and going as full premade raid to cs eliminates any credit rewards you get, win or lose. so its very much pointless.

you can learn how to clear a dungeon in some tries with a group of guildies/friends at worst and put the said dungeon on farm mode.

This is true if you can find a dedicated group of people that will do exactly that. Ofcourse again that depends on what server you are on if you are looking for deligate party members.

this is an mmo. if you cant find friends or guildies to run stuff with you when you need, youre doing it wrong.

someone mentioned "class imbalance" for pvp. while it is an undeniable truth of this game, you can very easily defeat any class as any class as long as youre willing to get better so that's not really an excuse. just accept the fact you got outplayed and try to see your mistakes and learn from them. why is it so hard for you people?

Though there is some truth to what you say, remember that your are focusing this specific statement to pvp. With that said, you should also consider the scenario in which said defeats happen. Take into consideration the players set up. Don't dog people because of their playing style. At the same time THEY should not complain when defeated. I know I don't. I have gotten my but beat more times than I can think, and that is brawler versus slayer. In order to beat someone like you said... "As long as you are willing to get better." Yes this is truth. Practice makes perfect. Though one needs to remember when you duel for practice you shouldn't duel the same person over and over then your chances of winning on both ends become 50%. Duel other players of the same class. Or rather should I say "Farm Duels to get better." =PVP Life.

Yes, "Accept the fact of getting outplayed." as long as you are equal geared at the very least. NO reason to be a sore loser. Just practice more if PVP is truly going to be your focus.

dueling other people with the same class is not as helpful as you might think. you need to learn about the other classes and what they can do in pvp. you cant do that if you focus on dueling against your own class, while dueling with your own class doesn't give such a benefit.

pve'rs got several advantages over pvping in drops department. 70k creds are not "cheap" compared to how easy they are to get compared to pve, for example. and then theres feedstock stuff too, and mwa is much better to obtain from vg chests than the stuff at credit shops.

Define your statement please. It is unclear.

its pretty clear actually. pve has an advantage in drops/gains overall simple as that.

At the end of the day, this is about PVP Servers keeping something more easily obtained to PVE. They want those on PVE to PVP and do away with PVE all together. Dyads and Smart Dyads are beneficial to both sides. Not just one side. There is no reason to be biased against PVP or PVE as both sides have stated it encompasses everything of Tera. However to say to someone, "Learn the PVP aspect of Tera it's part of the game too" Is like trying to tell someone. "The grass is purple not green." It's about choice. People choose not to fight another player perhaps, because they know they will not win or are that good at it. Their focus has been monsters. Now the hard mode dungeons. Yes those Dyads,, a plus the won't break. That was the first thing that I had noticed, and the fact that I can fuse the same crystal to come up with a stronger crystal dyad of the same type with a secondary line on that. Yes PVE does indeed get better with that benefit. Ofcourse those whose focus in the game is always dueling another player or gvg or pvp or the like, Is not expected to know these things either.

nobody gets dyads for unbreakability. ccb is free and u'll use them for your green crystals anyway. the thing here is pve players already have an advantage at drops and you want to take the only thing that pvp players have over is that. equal these advantages and im all for it, which is how it is atm. and where were all these "you cant force pve players to pvp its bad" logiced people when pvp players were getting shafted? for once pvp players has something over pve players and everybody is going all "muh pve prufurunce". its pathetic. and no you dont need dyads at all if youre not min/maxing your character. if youre doing that you might as well learn pvp. its not rocket science.

Now, I could do something entirely to my boredom. And this is where PVP gets the shaft. I could farm bg all day long, to spend those credits earned after weeks of grinding it. to do one thing, buy the dyads..after weeks and weeks of fighting other players win or lose. It sounds to me like a no win situation for pvp and find it quite boring and NOT a good use of time. It does not feel very rewarding to me.

it doesnt take weeks to get a smart dyad tho.

NOW SHOULD YOU BE DOING IT FOR GEAR MATERIAL, then it becomes rewarding because you can spend those credits more quickly in more than one way.

pve gets those materials MUCH faster. whats your point?

Having the Dyads in the Vangaurd credit store is an ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION, to those that do not want to grind for weeks to get that Dyad from BG's. I mean really for me. It would not be fun at all to just grind bg's consistently and spend all those credits to one thing.

Gear designs I can understand,

But not Dyads..it's a level 65 accessory piece.

It should be more available as we always have to sell it after breaking down a gear no longer used.

So yes we need to make the Dyads a bit more available in an Alternative way I personally don't understand why it was not placed in the Vangaurd store to begin with..

im sorry that you dont wanna grind for something that is absolutely unneeded. oh wait im not. game is already rather easy to gear up your toons. let people have something to work for. not everything in this game is catered towards casuals.

stuff in quote

darkstriker07 · June 2016

MunstridenVoT wrote: »

Yuri wrote

VM 7 +15 > VM 6 +15 > Conflate +12
Keep in mind you're also losing an additional rerollable stat when using conflate compared to any of the VM-line gear.

No offense, but could you please give us a visual example of proof other than just text. It would then be a bit more believable.

proof is in the game. all vm gear(which is currently starfall and imperator) has an extra rerollable line over other gear, and awakening enchantment gives ridicilous bonuses to base stats compared to masterwork enchanting. and if i remember correct both conflate and starfall were t9. so their base would be similar.

JBGaming · June 2016

I simply disagree with your view point. To me it makes no sense as if there where some sort of competition of pvp players versus pve players.. There is no logic to your argument TO ME specifically.
I'm sorry.
Dyads are a blessing. Why force PVE players to BG for Dyads? If you say it comes so easily. I personally don't care to hear the constant drama and nonsensical cusswords and complaints from CS players. it's nothing really but a flame fest.

Dyads are a level 65 accessory period. Dyads should be in both VG and BG stores. You have your opinion I have mine.

Mobius1 · June 2016

Conflate has a large base. I believe I stated the damage differences in my previous post.

And the extra rerollable line would only give you almost negligible advantage.

Conflate is surely not BiS, but it's so close to it, that it's worth it to most, to avoid the +15 nightmare.

darkstriker07 · June 2016

Mobius1 wrote: »

Conflate has a large base. I believe I stated the damage differences in my previous post.

And the extra rerollable line would only give you almost negligible advantage.

Conflate is surely not BiS, but it's so close to it, that it's worth it to most, to avoid the +15 nightmare.

an extra roll is never "negligible". oh well that shows of your overall knowledge and not waste my time with you.

Give smart dyad niveot structure to pve store

Comments