Gunner updates for you.

freonwolf · June 2018

> @CornishRex said:
> @freonwolf
> The general patch and class position does match rmh patch with some exceptions, I doubt they'd release gunners as op as they were back in 2015 because that would mean actual effort in having classes of varying builds that don't answer to the same patch. It would be a mess to implement.
> Guides are helpful because they've been mathed and tested out by experienced players of those classes.
> This is an mmo, there will always be one correct way to do everything with little room for experimentation. However I would like to note that gunners are one of the most versatile classes when it comes to builds on pc as you can go with either power, energetic or mixed etchings. But their dps priority list will always be one with some breathing space when it comes to choosing certain glyphs such as rocket jump or point blank cd, and it will only change with upcoming buffs/nerfs.

So you are the sheep lol. You can't even pretend to know if we are on the exact patch because like I said its mixed match to make it work for console. I always think its funny how everyone thinks that everyone should use the same build and only the build that guides suggest, tested by experienced players is a just another way way of saying im the sheep and follow you. I've data mined the same files and no one knows the correct crystal setup jjust their own preference nothing works as they think unless you know the exact server files coding which is not on the client side no one will know the exact multipliers they can only guess. Never even said guides were not helpful just that build in the guide is the poster preference.
I use certain crystal depending on how I feel like playing that day does it make it the correct one, no it does not just that its my preference. Hate how everyone thinks that just because yoursetup is not like theirs or the essential mana sites than you are a trash player, when in all likelyhood they are the least experienced because they copy others and never truly learn the class. You give your opinion on setup for playstyles does that make your way the best for the gunner or is my way the best. Neither is correct because its our preference, our playstyles. We the PC players need to remember this is the console version and playstyles is very different for some. Let them learn what works best for them but don't expect that everything posted in guides that is the only option and way. Their is no right or wrong in crystal setup, armor build yes to a certain extent because all gold rolls is better than green. No matter what you say it all boils down to the same thing that persons preference ( I can kill just as quick with all pounding just as I can with carving,wrath focus etc on my characters its all in the playstule and sill rotation I use for each setup)

There is no one correct way in mmo im a programmer for games and games are programmed for multiple playstyles and there is always room for experimentation(ex: no experimentation than how do players know what crystal setup works best for them) if there wasnt than mmo would have died out ages ago from sheer boredom. Just because we the programmer know how we want you to play does not mean each person will follow the same pattern, we want you to press x but you want to press y does that make the player wrong no it does not. And if there was only one way than everyone would not have the option to use different skills at different times you would have only one set of skill rotations not multiples.

Remember this wall of text is just my opinion doesn't make it right or wrong .

Vinyltails · June 2018

freonwolf wrote: »

Their is no right or wrong in crystal setup, armor build yes to a certain extent because all gold rolls is better than green.

Go ahead, use 4x pounding with crit factor on your weapon...don't come crying to use when you fail to break SSN's shield, one of the easiest in the game...or meet the DPS check in RM's 2nd boss without being entirely carried

Roukanken · June 2018

So eh, if you sit down and calculate that one crystal gives you 6% damage increase and other crystal gives you 30% damage increase, and then take the 6% one - is that not a mistake?

Is that not a wrong setup?

Let's see, Pounding gives you less than 8% total damage increase depending on your weap rolls (stacks additively) and Bitter (giving +1.44 crit power from back) at dunno, 30% crit chance (that's low) gives you (3.44 * 0.3 + 0.7 * 1) / (2 * 0.3 + 0.7) = about 33.2% total damage increase

Now please tell me anybody using pounding is not playing wrong.

(disclaimer: this is for the first crystal)

voidy · June 2018

freonwolf wrote: »

> @CornishRex said:
> @freonwolf
> The general patch and class position does match rmh patch with some exceptions, I doubt they'd release gunners as op as they were back in 2015 because that would mean actual effort in having classes of varying builds that don't answer to the same patch. It would be a mess to implement.
> Guides are helpful because they've been mathed and tested out by experienced players of those classes.
> This is an mmo, there will always be one correct way to do everything with little room for experimentation. However I would like to note that gunners are one of the most versatile classes when it comes to builds on pc as you can go with either power, energetic or mixed etchings. But their dps priority list will always be one with some breathing space when it comes to choosing certain glyphs such as rocket jump or point blank cd, and it will only change with upcoming buffs/nerfs.

So you are the sheep lol. You can't even pretend to know if we are on the exact patch because like I said its mixed match to make it work for console. I always think its funny how everyone thinks that everyone should use the same build and only the build that guides suggest, tested by experienced players is a just another way way of saying im the sheep and follow you. I've data mined the same files and no one knows the correct crystal setup jjust their own preference nothing works as they think unless you know the exact server files coding which is not on the client side no one will know the exact multipliers they can only guess. Never even said guides were not helpful just that build in the guide is the poster preference.
I use certain crystal depending on how I feel like playing that day does it make it the correct one, no it does not just that its my preference. Hate how everyone thinks that just because yoursetup is not like theirs or the essential mana sites than you are a trash player, when in all likelyhood they are the least experienced because they copy others and never truly learn the class. You give your opinion on setup for playstyles does that make your way the best for the gunner or is my way the best. Neither is correct because its our preference, our playstyles. We the PC players need to remember this is the console version and playstyles is very different for some. Let them learn what works best for them but don't expect that everything posted in guides that is the only option and way. Their is no right or wrong in crystal setup, armor build yes to a certain extent because all gold rolls is better than green. No matter what you say it all boils down to the same thing that persons preference ( I can kill just as quick with all pounding just as I can with carving,wrath focus etc on my characters its all in the playstule and sill rotation I use for each setup)

There is no one correct way in mmo im a programmer for games and games are programmed for multiple playstyles and there is always room for experimentation(ex: no experimentation than how do players know what crystal setup works best for them) if there wasnt than mmo would have died out ages ago from sheer boredom. Just because we the programmer know how we want you to play does not mean each person will follow the same pattern, we want you to press x but you want to press y does that make the player wrong no it does not. And if there was only one way than everyone would not have the option to use different skills at different times you would have only one set of skill rotations not multiples.

Remember this wall of text is just my opinion doesn't make it right or wrong .

You do you, but I think all they meant was that tried and tested methods of playing that result in better damage, faster clears, and less wipes are objectively superior. There definitely is a right or wrong setup; people who use the wrong ones and just do whatever they feel like pretty much always get carried by people who took the time to learn how to play. If you're okay with getting carried in team content then that's fine, but don't be surprised when nobody wants to run with you. Not even saying this is a good thing; I wish there were more variety in this game as well, but the sad truth is there just isn't, besides maybe some weapon roll variations you can make. Sucks but it's true, and if you call people a sheep for trying to help you out then idk what to say.

Emerose1 · June 2018

All I saw was “I’m a programmer bla bla bla I use pounding”. Sorry dude you’re not the only programmer here. I would agree with you on some points but telling me pounding x4 is better you lost me there. While killing regular mobs or even BAMs it wouldn’t matter much what you use, but for highest tier endgame stuff like hard modes you wouldn’t kill a boss with that before the engrage timer kicks in. Back in MCHM days running with full agnitor set as a dps you had to have your crystals/rolls/glyphs the EXACT as your class shoud, because anything different and you wouldn’t do enough damage to clear it. Nowadays your options are wider but not by thaybmuch. That said saying I’m a sheep for following the same min max guidelines then so be it. If you feel like being different - Be different, don’t enchant and run bare or whatever. Cus that way you’re not a sheep? Yeah logic.

Gunner updates for you.

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