XIGNCODE with next patch? Hello EME announce atleast that we are installing malware with this game!!

Xristosx · June 2018

https://store.steampowered.com/app/323370/TERA/ People who use tera on steam or dont, feel free to leave a few reviews to warn people. Since their steam page doesn't mention it either.

KiraKiryu · June 2018

T5EGCG7J5M wrote: »

THERE'S A FIRE IN THE FORUMS!!!
EmE rushing in with a bucket of gasoline in hopes of putting out the fire*
WHOOOOSH
EmE: Weeeeelp... we're fudged

LMAO

Jordansb1 wrote: »

Well, I hate to say it, but it's actually come to this.

I haven't even logged on since around last year, but I've been jumping around the forums and watching, waiting to see where and how TERA evolved (or in this case, devolved).

First, please read the first two posts on this thread here: https://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/446453/xigncode3-remains-on-your-pc-after-black-desert-client-uninstall-easy-uninstall-procedure

Secondly, please note that I decided to search for the program to see if it was on my computer already, and sure enough, it already is (I have Black Desert installed, I haven't played that for a year as well).

I will promptly be uninstalling both BDO and TERA, uninstall XignCode3 from my laptop and never download the two again. I haven't had fun on TERA which is why I haven't logged on, and unfortunately the game has only gotten worse from when I had left.

For those who are curious, I'm in a discord server with a few of the "infamous" hack developers for TERA. As I said, I haven't interacted with anything TERA related (other than the forums) for about a year (and no, I have never hacked in TERA, unless you count modifying the .ini files hacking, in which case you must be a 3 year old), and what I saw in discord today was a notification that they have already developed a workaround.

If EME goes through with this decision, it will not help the game, but rather hinder it more than it already is. This is a dying game and they are literally kicking it while it's down.

After I uninstall XignCode3 I will update this post as to whether I noticed any change in my laptops' performance.

Thank you all for the fond memories of playing this game. It was fun while it lasted, but it's time to move on.

~Jordansb1

sad thing is, they might not even look at this forum at all and continue to kick the downed game. oh it's their loss in paying costumers XD

Partyblast wrote: »

Meningitis wrote: »

The least En Masse could do is answer some questions in this massive thread full of concerns. Make an appearance. Show that you care about your customers. Make good on your promise to be transparent and honest with the community. Please tell us what good Xigncode3 will actually do for the game when there's already methods that render it pointless.

Unfortunately EmE has proven they lack the ability to properly communicate and perhaps don't even completely understand what they're even trying to actively prevent. They've had plenty of opportunities to work with the general community, as well as the modding, meter and proxy community, but have refused and just released a blanket statement and ignored everything else.

Now both BHS and EmE have decided to continue to implement a performance harming and near completely useless thing onto an already injured and poor performance game, and most likely would've done so without notification had there not been a leak or anyone actively looking at incoming patches.

I had actually been looking forward to this patch, even if it only lasted a month like most patches due to how interesting I find AAHM, but now I'm most likely not going to even bother opening the game, which also means not re-applying my elite.

I actually feel really bad for the set of players who don't pay attention to forums and aren't a part of the modding community since they won't be informed and won't have a way to prevent themselves from being harmed by this.

yea lol guess this is how TERA dies.

Meningitis · June 2018

Partyblast wrote: »

Unfortunately EmE has proven they lack the ability to properly communicate and perhaps don't even completely understand what they're even trying to actively prevent. They've had plenty of opportunities to work with the general community, as well as the modding, meter and proxy community, but have refused and just released a blanket statement and ignored everything else.

Now both BHS and EmE have decided to continue to implement a performance harming and near completely useless thing onto an already injured and poor performance game, and most likely would've done so without notification had there not been a leak or anyone actively looking at incoming patches.

I had actually been looking forward to this patch, even if it only lasted a month like most patches due to how interesting I find AAHM, but now I'm most likely not going to even bother opening the game, which also means not re-applying my elite.

I actually feel really bad for the set of players who don't pay attention to forums and aren't a part of the modding community since they won't be informed and won't have a way to prevent themselves from being harmed by this.

In the case of the fiasco patch notes they released a while ago, I don't even recall them actually fully fixing the bizarre amounts of misinformation or releasing a blanket statement about how they fumbled with it. None. At all.

What I find most astounding is that EME didn't even have the sense to post a statement about the new Xigncode3 implementation until everyone started panicking about the possibility of it coming with the patch. That alone shows the amount of disrespect EME has for it's customers.
I know a lot of people deem Xigncode3 to be pure spyware, but to access a lot of the games out there nowadays you have to sign over some of your privacy to play. What I can't shake is the fact that EME seemingly had no intention to inform it's customers that it was installing such a program onto their machines. That just reeks of deception and makes EME look even worse than they've already made themselves look over the past few months.

DIONI · June 2018

So proxy users will bypass while players that never used anything will have problems?

ANTI CHEAT AT ITS FINEST

DeusFurta · June 2018

I was following reports of several exploits over the past month or so and I was wondering why those involved weren't being banned and the exploits quickly patched. I really hope that Enmasse doesn't think this is a blanket fix for all exploits in TERA...

DIONI · June 2018

Meningitis wrote: »

Partyblast wrote: »

Unfortunately EmE has proven they lack the ability to properly communicate and perhaps don't even completely understand what they're even trying to actively prevent. They've had plenty of opportunities to work with the general community, as well as the modding, meter and proxy community, but have refused and just released a blanket statement and ignored everything else.

Now both BHS and EmE have decided to continue to implement a performance harming and near completely useless thing onto an already injured and poor performance game, and most likely would've done so without notification had there not been a leak or anyone actively looking at incoming patches.

I had actually been looking forward to this patch, even if it only lasted a month like most patches due to how interesting I find AAHM, but now I'm most likely not going to even bother opening the game, which also means not re-applying my elite.

I actually feel really bad for the set of players who don't pay attention to forums and aren't a part of the modding community since they won't be informed and won't have a way to prevent themselves from being harmed by this.

In the case of the fiasco patch notes they released a while ago, I don't even recall them actually fully fixing the bizarre amounts of misinformation or releasing a blanket statement about how they fumbled with it. None. At all.

What I find most astounding is that EME didn't even have the sense to post a statement about the new Xigncode3 implementation until everyone started panicking about the possibility of it coming with the patch. That alone shows the amount of disrespect EME has for it's customers.
I know a lot of people deem Xigncode3 to be pure spyware, but to access a lot of the games out there nowadays you have to sign over some of your privacy to play. What I can't shake is the fact that EME seemingly had no intention to inform it's customers that it was installing such a program onto their machines. That just reeks of deception and makes EME look even worse than they've already made themselves look over the past few months.

I think i said earlier sega had a similar problem with denuvo on sonic mania release, that cause me problems like not accepting my controller (solved later) and i had to use a specific "joytokey" program until it was fixed.

Fulzoid · June 2018

DeusFurta wrote: »

I was following reports of several exploits over the past month or so and I was wondering why those involved weren't being banned and the exploits quickly patched. I really hope that Enmasse doesn't think this is a blanket fix for all exploits in TERA...

Exploits? what you talking about. Tera is bug free and perfectly well optimized. It also have no actual reason to announce that they'll use some malwar... I mean very nice new system that will overclock your CPU!
:^)

DeusFurta · June 2018

Fulzoid wrote: »

DeusFurta wrote: »

I was following reports of several exploits over the past month or so and I was wondering why those involved weren't being banned and the exploits quickly patched. I really hope that Enmasse doesn't think this is a blanket fix for all exploits in TERA...

Exploits? what you talking about. Tera is bug free and perfectly well optimized. It also have no actual reason to announce that they'll use some malwar... I mean very nice new system that will overclock your CPU!
:^)

Well lets at least hope there aren't a ton of false positives getting ppl banned like in PUBG.
Already had half my guild banned from people photoshopping proxy windows and dps meters into their streams...

clfarron4 · June 2018

Meningitis wrote: »

Partyblast wrote: »

Unfortunately EmE has proven they lack the ability to properly communicate and perhaps don't even completely understand what they're even trying to actively prevent. They've had plenty of opportunities to work with the general community, as well as the modding, meter and proxy community, but have refused and just released a blanket statement and ignored everything else.

Now both BHS and EmE have decided to continue to implement a performance harming and near completely useless thing onto an already injured and poor performance game, and most likely would've done so without notification had there not been a leak or anyone actively looking at incoming patches.

I had actually been looking forward to this patch, even if it only lasted a month like most patches due to how interesting I find AAHM, but now I'm most likely not going to even bother opening the game, which also means not re-applying my elite.

I actually feel really bad for the set of players who don't pay attention to forums and aren't a part of the modding community since they won't be informed and won't have a way to prevent themselves from being harmed by this.

In the case of the fiasco patch notes they released a while ago, I don't even recall them actually fully fixing the bizarre amounts of misinformation or releasing a blanket statement about how they fumbled with it. None. At all.

We are now into June and there are still errors in the Apex Patch Notes for both Warriors and Priests.

Meningitis wrote: »

Partyblast wrote: »

Unfortunately EmE has proven they lack the ability to properly communicate and perhaps don't even completely understand what they're even trying to actively prevent. They've had plenty of opportunities to work with the general community, as well as the modding, meter and proxy community, but have refused and just released a blanket statement and ignored everything else.

Now both BHS and EmE have decided to continue to implement a performance harming and near completely useless thing onto an already injured and poor performance game, and most likely would've done so without notification had there not been a leak or anyone actively looking at incoming patches.

I had actually been looking forward to this patch, even if it only lasted a month like most patches due to how interesting I find AAHM, but now I'm most likely not going to even bother opening the game, which also means not re-applying my elite.

I actually feel really bad for the set of players who don't pay attention to forums and aren't a part of the modding community since they won't be informed and won't have a way to prevent themselves from being harmed by this.

What I find most astounding is that EME didn't even have the sense to post a statement about the new Xigncode3 implementation until everyone started panicking about the possibility of it coming with the patch. That alone shows the amount of disrespect EME has for it's customers.

This is the thing. This whole Xigncode thing came from someone not affiliated to EME and was made known whilst all the staff were out of the office.

DeusFurta wrote: »

Fulzoid wrote: »

DeusFurta wrote: »

I was following reports of several exploits over the past month or so and I was wondering why those involved weren't being banned and the exploits quickly patched. I really hope that Enmasse doesn't think this is a blanket fix for all exploits in TERA...

Exploits? what you talking about. Tera is bug free and perfectly well optimized. It also have no actual reason to announce that they'll use some malwar... I mean very nice new system that will overclock your CPU!
:^)

Well lets at least hope there aren't a ton of false positives getting ppl banned like in PUBG.
Already had half my guild banned from people photoshopping proxy windows and dps meters into their streams...

You would have thought EME would have realised something was up when they unbanned players after realising the so-called evidence was fake...

clfarron4 · June 2018

[Oops Double Post]

GirlsDeMo · June 2018

agggg i have aloot problems, this malware using up alot of CPU with others games like, blade and soul etc time for quit
bb pl and gl

counterpoint · June 2018

CarnalCherry145 wrote: »

counterpoint wrote: »

CarnalCherry145 wrote: »

I mean people can defend Xigncode all they want but the fact its actually ILLEGAL to put on EU Tera client tells you all something

It's not illegal to use that software in the EU. There are simply steps that would have to be taken to prove compliance with GDPR. I am assuming that EME and all other companies who currently use this software in the EU have done their due diligence for this (and if they haven't, well, they need to, but that doesn't mean it's illegal; it would only cause a problem if they don't take the needed steps to demonstrate compliance).

I'm not a fan of this software either, but I think it should be debated on its merits/demerits. (The fact that it's questionable whether this will actually do anything to prevent cheating while requiring this more-invasive scanning process that ties up CPU is already enough of a demerit.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dirtybomb/comments/3bjfxt/xigncode_is_in_violation_of_several_eu_laws_on/

Just use google my friend, just use google, and stop digging yourself deeper in muck n shi*

In this thread, where the OP was deleted, there is absolutely no smoking gun that either supports or insinuates the EU laws that the software supposedly violates. It just mostly points back to another thread, already linked here, that suggests the software touches and hashes files you've modified in the last 48 hours and, while playing the game, is monitoring your keystrokes. I also did "just use google" and there are no other clear, compelling presentations of which laws are being violated and how. If the information actually exists, I'd like to see it, but that link isn't it.

TomRipley wrote: »

Fulzoid wrote: »

TomRipley wrote: »

counterpoint wrote: »

I don't know if our version will do that. But the fact that it touches the files to hash them does not mean that it's uploading them either, any more than any anti-virus software, anti-malware software, or other similar tool.

Healthy scepticism is fine, but it's like people have taken all the most paranoid voices around the Internet on this topic and combined them as if that's what it does based on well they could do all these other things too, maybe and we just can't trust them.

Counterpoint, I know you're often the voice of reason on the forums, but here you're simply asking to give trust in advance.

Where do I click to unlike this comment? :O Counterpoint always been doing his "off the grid" player council around the forum. He picked so many fights that he couldn't win and brought so many [filtered] to it. I can't even see where the "voice of reason" apply...

I know he's sometimes off the mark, but at least he usually seems to try and make a solid argument, whether you (or me for that matter) agree with it or not. What I've read from him so far in this thread is missing the target by a lot.

I am not in any way against people's skepticism, reluctance, mistrust, or disinterest in installing this software, or in their right and privilege to say "I'm not installing that [filtered] on my PC." Everyone has the right to make that call, and EME may well suffer for people's decisions. They'll be to first to know if that's the case.

My "target" is to just separate the "FUD" from the fact-based concerns/problems people have so I can clearly convey the underlying issues, in the hopes that they can at least be addressed somehow (even if it's just through clearer communication). I have my own concerns that I stated to them already (about the weight of the solution against the apparent ineffectiveness against the problem, and the need to post clear/transparent information about what the software does).

Please don't interpret my being against unsubstantiated statements on this topic as if I'm "pro" this software. At least I will say that I don't see the point of adding it if it won't help.

seraphinush · June 2018

I don't think it matter what XIGNCODE3 truly does and how it operates in your system. it's become symbolic enough to push the community away from games that have this install so i don't see a true benefit for having XIGNCODE3 be installed with the patch.

The most important thing is that EME should realize is that XIGNCODE3 does an invasive scan (regardless of hashes the files or not), and it does not block the use of 3rd party programs.

seandynamite wrote: »

WHAT HAPPENS IF XIGNCODE3 IS GIVING ME ISSUES WITH ACCESSING THE GAME?
As we have been using this product for our other games for years, our Customer Support team is prepared to handle helping you solve issues as they arise. However, you should be aware En Masse does not officially support the use of modified clients (for instance, the use of DPS meters) or editing of game client files, and going forward, you may have to remove these changes in order for XIGNCODE3 to allow you access to TERA PC.

K TERA's client uses XIGNCODE3 but that hasn't stopped the DPS meter from working, nor has it really stopped many TERA file mods working, nor has it stopped tera-proxy (such as WTFast) from working either so my rhetorical question is : what is the true benefit of having this program ?

Khalgoroth · June 2018

Just posting this here to say that Im deleting Tera. Maybe I'll come back if EME actually tells us why this is being added, but I doubt it. I played a bit back in 2012, quit for a while, came back for F2P (2015), then quit awhile again, then came back AGAIN just a few weeks ago, but I guess I'll have to quit for awhile again, maybe even permanently. Thanks for the good times EME.

If you want my speculation (as an amateur software/data guy), is that Wellbia is a company that works with data mining and analysis, or maybe works with a company that does? It just doesn't make sense that EME randomly purchases anti-cheat software this far into the game's lifecycle (6 years). If anything, this change would have been done much earlier, when the peak population was much higher. Nothing adds up and it all seems really fishy.

DIONI · June 2018

That is actually the strangest thing to me, why add something that should prevent hacking but doesnt?

XIGNCODE with next patch? Hello EME announce atleast that we are installing malware with this game!!

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