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Gold bots: A real issue

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  • counterpointcounterpoint mod
    Norafin wrote: »
    counterpoint wrote: »
    This I think they should do. Could add a "Report as Spam" feature in the menu that automatically sends all the needed info for review. Could possibly even have it where a certain number of reports results in automatic-muting, but have to watch for abuse potential here too.
    Must have at least 10 reports for a temporary mute. Mute lasts a day or until the player gets unmuted by support.
    Does not work in battlegrounds, instances or on players in the same raid/who have been in your raid in the last hour

    My concern is that, let's say you have a guild trying to grief another guild; getting 10 reports wouldn't be that hard. So the punishment for wrongful reporting would also have to be harsh.
  • CGWHXE93RACGWHXE93RA ✭
    counterpoint wrote: »
    CGWHXE93RA wrote: »
    counterpoint wrote: »
    CGWHXE93RA wrote: »
    This is one of the problems with a free to play game. [...]

    FWIW, even that won't help. Even subscription games have problems with bots (perhaps even larger problems in some cases). If you make them pay money, they just use stolen credit cards to spin the accounts around, because it's not like they care about eventually getting banned by the time the chargeback comes through.

    And yeah, even having an in-game feature to directly "buy gold" doesn't help either; other MMOs with that also have bots. Some people are apparently so conditioned to seek out these scammers that they do it regardless of perfectly allowed in-game mechanics.

    I disagree. It may not completely remove the spam but would introduce a significant hurdle to spamming.

    Unfortunately, because they use stolen cards, it's not a hurdle at all. I play another rather-well-known subscription MMO that has restrictions on trial accounts and only paid accounts can spam chat... and they've been fighting a major gold seller spam problem for years. It's sad, but it doesn't work.

    CGWHXE93RA wrote: »
    How about adding a wait period? I'd pay $10 and wait a week to not have to see all that spam. Heck, I'd pay $50 and wait a month.

    Won't work either because they'll just have an army of bots in waiting for however long it takes. And besides, preventing new players from chatting entirely for a week/month has a pretty drastic impact on their ability to get help when they're new, so it's a bit like throwing the baby out with the bath water.

    CGWHXE93RA wrote: »
    Another enhancement could be a flagging feature that is automated as opposed to requiring screenshots.

    This I think they should do. Could add a "Report as Spam" feature in the menu that automatically sends all the needed info for review. Could possibly even have it where a certain number of reports results in automatic-muting, but have to watch for abuse potential here too.

    CGWHXE93RA wrote: »
    How about notices in game that gold selling/buying is a bannable offense? If you're caught buying gold (i.e. receiving gold from a gold seller's account), your account will be banned, no recourse, no exceptions.

    I personally agree with this as well. I think it should be very visible and clear that any purchases from third-party gold selling sites will result in permanent banning of all your accounts across all EME games, and that should be aggressively enforced until the word finally gets out that it's a death wish to try it.

    The army of bots couldn't get past the waiting period because you need an army of stolen credit cards to make it past that waiting period (let's just say a month for the sake of things) and I suspect that most stolen cards would have already been reported by then. If we could combine this with a much quicker system to flag and ban people, like 10 down votes and you're on time out, 2 strikes and you're out until your account is reviewed, the bots would be much less prevalent in the paid for channels.

    The free chat would still be available for new people and bots to spam so it's a question of how many are hardcore ftp and how many in the higher account tiers would choose to participate in the ftp channels.

    I really do wish that something could be done about the bots because I have all of my public channels on mute because of them.
  • HexagramHexagram ✭✭
    Pay2play will not kill gold selling bots. I give to you from 07. Although on Tera I am not sure how they are farming gold.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hexagram wrote: »
    Pay2play will not kill gold selling bots. I give to you from 07. Although on Tera I am not sure how they are farming gold.

    They are not, they are trying to lure you so you carelessly give you credit card info and then he could stole your money.
  • PeperoncinaPeperoncina ✭✭
    In my opinion, the logic behind this is...
    players are constantly buying their golds.
    So, those bots have a good reason to be here: $
    I hope that enmasse is doing something about these players,
    because I'm sure, if nobody bought their golds,
    they would not be there anymore.

    After all, there is not a real solution to this problem.
    In every MMORPG I've had the chance to play,
    there are those bots. :|
  • NorafinNorafin ✭✭
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    Hexagram wrote: »
    Pay2play will not kill gold selling bots. I give to you from 07. Although on Tera I am not sure how they are farming gold.

    They are not, they are trying to lure you so you carelessly give you credit card info and then he could stole your money.

    I heard that they farm dungeons using shittons of mods and glitches like skipping to the last boss and oneshotting it. Since it's all done without any real players noone ever sees it.
    Could just be a story tho,
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