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The aftermath of xigncode3
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People aren't bothering with constructive criticism and in my opinion that tells you more about eme than the players.
I made a thread about Daily deals, criticising it and adding suggestions on how to make it different. Nothing was really taken into account, but I'm just one player right? They don't have to listen to the woes of just one player right?
People have been making threads about updating all those ingame shops for a year + now. No response.
I remember at least 3 mega threads about vanguard nerfs and people opposing it. Wasn't changed back.
I remember at least 2 mega threads about the lack of golden/silver talents with A LOT of great suggestions on how to balance mats better and add them to actual endgame content. No response.
The community made their own server status page because eme doesn't have theirs for like half a year now. Still. Not. Fixed.
Day one people were making huge threads on how to improve the summer event without making it broken on either direction. No action was taken!
I wont go on, there was a player above me that listed 30 big mistakes we have to deal with in order to play this game, so I'll just be repeating him if I continue.
I think it's fair and reasonable to say that you can't blame people for criticising so much and for not adding the "constructive" part anymore. Is there a point? No. Eme will not change anything that can actually improve our enjoyment of the game as seen through the whole last year. They won't listen to us. Maybe they can't, I don't care, the point is they aren't doing anything. If their hands are tied or if they're just plain incompetent doesn't really affect me. People are really, really unhappy with this publisher. Everyone's just making fun of eme because it's really easy to do and honestly at least laughter makes me come back to this game. Every time I see eme stumble and fall, I'd rather laugh and meme about it than cry at this point.
So to balance things out lemme add some positive things eme did this year.
1. Elite perma ccb, after taking it out and having a fire on the forums, we were listened to! Yay!
2. Dyeable costumes direct to buy, namely the winter one will remain my only relevant example because it has a reasonable price.
3. Crab event for consumables. That's on player council though, iirc this was not eme's idea.
That's about... It.
the question isn't where are the player council members, the question is where are the eme staff. where is our new cm at? shouldn't she be here to maybe answer a few of our questions at least concerning this server merge? so far with these threads, I haven't seen any useful information coming from them. do we have to go to twitch, twitter, facebook, youtube, etsy, amazon, or some other website besides the official tera website? the player council memebers have stated time and time again that they themselves have no power at all, and that eme may or may not listen to them, but ultimately its all eme and bhs that has the power. I think player council was initially created with good intentions to try and bridge the gap between staff and players, but that got thrown out the window, and now we have the grand canyon between staff and players. I remember when spacecats talked about eme was going to be more transparent with the players and communicate better and more with us.
I know eme claims its all on bhs and that they cant really do anything, so my question is what do they actually do everyday? people are tired of being treated like mushrooms and now and have been leaving for a long time. I know this is a free to play game, but I would respect them more if they just came out and said its our way or the highway, and if you don't like it , then leave, rather than pretending to care about the game's future and the players.
Yes. But in the realms where our feedback is sought and considered. There's a lot we have no say in, and eventually it stopped becoming a focus other than just explain what people are mad about. And of course we don't always get what we want either; it's usually a big compromise. But it's better to have input and be part of a compromise than not having any input at all.
I can't control your feelings, but we do everything that we are able to do. It's not as much as you apparently think it is, and it's not as much as we all wish it could be.
If you mean the XIGNCODE "leak," I was figuring out how the information got out there (which I figured out on my own by testing the patch servers), and expressing my concerns about the change and how it was (or wasn't) communicated. There was an awful lot of discussion about this issue at the time, but PC chat is under NDA. And during the XC "controversy" I was here on the forum trying to separate out the bad/paranoid arguments (there were a lot of them) from the valid points so I could bring them forward -- which I did. (I kept fighting against the bad/paranoid arguments because they were drowning out the actual valid points that needed to be heard.) And now, there are discussions ongoing about many current topics, including the server merger, a certain exploit, and bunch of other things. I'm being vague because, again, it's under NDA.
You talked about how you think the community spends a lot of time fighting each other, but what you're doing here is really no different. The problems this game has are not because the Player Council "isn't doing its job." It's because the vast majority of decisions are not up for debate or discussion, and we have no "vote" in the final decision. We give input. It's up to all the powers that be to use that input or not.
If people want to make this process of communicating feedback easier, they could just stop these pointless personal attacks, insinuations, drama, fabrications, hyperbole, etc. etc. and just make constructive useful posts/threads about the real problems the game has and realistic ways to fix it, ideally that are consistent with already-stated policy and direction. This is why I spend a lot of time trying to explain the apparent policies and directions -- so that people can take that into account to make suggestions that have a better chance, rather than things they'll just dismiss. Even then it's no guarantee they'll implement the suggestions, but I'd like to improve the odds. There's really not much else I think can be done.
We were questioning the wisdom of providing this kind of sensitive information (that Player Council didn't even have) to an outside group that didn't have an NDA. As a result, both this outside group and Player Council had to sign an NDA, but EME also decided they would not share this kind of sensitive information anymore anyway.
Aside, for this point in particular: My understanding is that they haven't made these decisions yet. That's why I'm preparing a list of questions from the community to try to get them considered before the decision is made (and hopefully influence the decisions somewhat). As I've expressed on the forum repeatedly, I don't think telling people with excess characters to throw out their purchases is okay, and I want to at least make sure that argument is clearly presented -- whatever they decide to do about it.
Honestly, I would contend that this community has never once "accepted things as they are" and has been relentlessly critical from the moment EME started accepting feedback about this game. Since well before the original launch, there has never been a lack of criticism. This is partly why I don't spend my days on here writing all sorts of screeds about what's wrong with the game; it's already there in over-abundance. What's often lacking, it seems to me, is a bigger perspective that extends beyond strictly our point of view as a player. And when you consider other perspectives, many of the things that people like to "question their wisdom" about are not actually as mysterious as people think. Not all, of course -- sometimes it's a simple, near-sighted mistake (like the "leak"). But not everything is like that either. There is also a degree of criticism that can be levied at the community in some cases as well, and this sort of introspection (trying to see both sides of an issue to figure out where the compromise may lie) is also part of trying to be constructive. If all one ever does is only "question someone's wisdom" without also questioning their own, how much wisdom is really there to begin with?
I'm sure you know players at large in any fandom don't like being left in the dark (as seen in the original XignCode debacle). So you and the other Councilmen are given information that you can't share, and EME sure as d*ck isn't saying anything, which them gives the impression that no one's listening and/or no one cares. And the situation becomes further exacerbated as such.
Like, why does EME keep you around just so you *can't* do your jobs properly thanks to rules that EME themselves installed? It's mind-boggling.
thanks for doing what i intended to do
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So yea, personally I'm currently in EU Tera despite being sc +9 here, for now I don't see point in playing here.