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When old costumes will come back?

Hey i am just returning to tera from a break of 2 years...I am just wondering the old costumes will ever come back? I mean, from all costumes only 10 are buyble...
Somebody pls explain to me all the thing to costumes, why the old ones they don t exist in game right now to buy? Will ever they come again in game store?
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  • SageWinduSageWindu High Seat of the Jedi Council ✭✭✭✭✭
    The store was gutted in favor of... nobody really knows what, actually. The "Daily Deal" system - while something we on the forums have asked about for a fair stretch of time - isn't really a deal as there's seldom anything to contrast it against. And myself and several others asked EME not to do this when we first got word of it.

    So you either have to take your chances with the broker, or wait for some sort of all-encompassing sale like Black Friday or something (assuming they'll even do that this year).
  • Hmmm...so, I wanna know more abut the Daily deal system..it is like, some specific items or costumes can be bought in one specific day or?
  • edited August 2018
    Can't even take your chances with the broker. The markets are slowly going down item wise and getting more expensive due to the market not being able to restock because we no longer have people being able to buy and put there often. Great idea for the daily the deal, just terrible execution at it.
    You don't nerf the store in favor of this. 200+ items removed would take well over 2-4 months to show them all on that thing even if it cycled daily..................
    What was the point of this?
  • SageWinduSageWindu High Seat of the Jedi Council ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hisagi1 wrote: »
    Hmmm...so, I wanna know more abut the Daily deal system..it is like, some specific items or costumes can be bought in one specific day or?

    Pretty much. One or two (sometimes 3) items are made available at, erm... "reduced" prices (see previous comments about the store being gutted), including "chase" items like crit mounts. Usually lasts 24 hours, then something new comes up.

    Keep in mind that you can only access the sale within the game itself. Trying to find the sales within the store on the website will bring you nothing but anger and misery.
  • BabbelsimBabbelsim ✭✭✭
    edited August 2018
    It would have been a better idea to have a full(er) store again with the basic older items and have daily deals aside for special/seasonal/dyeable items

    Because right now EME is actually missing out on money like this, for example a player is looking for specific item like lets say glasses he/she will have to wait for it to come in rotation of the daily and god knows how long its going to take.
    That will result in that the player will eventually give up on the item or simply forget about it which results in a missing sale for EME because its not in the store.
    Its like going to the grocery store and see that the shelves are for 90% empty... nobody likes a empty store thats just common sense

    Maybe something to have a meeting about? @KitTeaCup @CobaltDragon
  • voidyvoidy ✭✭✭✭✭
    Babbelsim wrote: »
    It would have been a better idea to have a full(er) store again with the basic older items and have daily deals aside for special/seasonal/dyeable items

    Because right now EME is actually missing out on money like this, for example a player is looking for specific item like lets say glasses he/she will have to wait for it to come in rotation of the daily and god knows how long its going to take.
    That will result in that the player will eventually give up on the item or simply forget about it which results in a missing sale for EME because its not in the store.
    Its like going to the grocery store and see that the shelves are for 90% empty... nobody likes a empty store thats just common sense

    Maybe something to have a meeting about? @KitTeaCup @CobaltDragon

    Yup, this is the kind of common sense approach that many people mentioned before the store was liquidated, and of course we were all ignored. The only winners are EMP buyers and sellers basically, since the EMP buyers bought up all the cool stuff before it got removed, and the EMP sellers sold emp to those buyers at insane gold ratios in the week leading up to the liquidation. Everyone else got [filtered] over, including EME because there's no way in hell they're making more money after removing 90% of their store. I don't know man. I gave up trying to understand the sense behind that move. I kinda got it at first, when the daily deal had pretty tempting stuff in it, but now even that is just some swimsuit deal that lasts for a week and I just don't see the point.
  • edited August 2018
    I totally understand the argument from a new or returning player's perspective looking for a certain item, can't find it, and don't know when it'll be available again. That being said, my perception was that fashion items had a very high bias towards selling when they were new, and a sharp drop-off after that. Sure, people created alts or decided later on to pick things up they missed, so there'd still be the odd sale from time-to-time, but it seems to me that EME kept discounting the older items steeper and steeper during sales, implying that otherwise they were barely selling. In that kind of environment, the actual impact to their bottom-line of removing them would be very small, and the potential benefit of bringing them back as timed-exclusives much larger.

    I guess you could argue that, even if the old stock didn't sell much, keeping it all available is certainly more consumer-friendly. (Since it's not as though they'll run out of floor space or anything.) And I actually agree with that. Taking items away and bringing them back sporadically without notice creates tension/friction. But the argument people are often making is as though there's so much money being left on the table by those old items being gone, and I just can't think of any of those old items that were all that popular anymore. Most of the more in-demand items, it seemed to me, were either the new hotness, or the seasonal/already-retired stuff.

    Personally, there's a lot I would change about how to bring the retired items back (I'd try bringing them back to the store itself for a week or two on a schedule so people can know when to expect them, for instance)... but I guess there's something about the argument that I'm missing. Losing occasional/incidental sales of dead stock doesn't seem like it'd be losing EME lots of money on the whole, even though it is inconvenient on a personal level.

    (Please understand that I'm not trying to argue against anyone personally, and I'm not saying that it's wrong to want all the items to be on the store. I wouldn't mind that at all, and would think it's generally more convenient. But I'm just not sure I could make a convincing argument that they'd make more money that way, which is what people often say. I'd like to try to understand better why people think that to see if there's maybe some other angle to this.)
  • I totally understand the argument from a new or returning player's perspective looking for a certain item, can't find it, and don't know when it'll be available again. That being said, my perception was that fashion items had a very high bias towards selling when they were new, and a sharp drop-off after that. Sure, people created alts or decided later on to pick things up they missed, so there'd still be the odd sale from time-to-time, but it seems to me that EME kept discounting the older items steeper and steeper during sales, implying that otherwise they were barely selling. In that kind of environment, the actual impact to their bottom-line of removing them would be very small, and the potential benefit of bringing them back as timed-exclusives much larger.

    I guess you could argue that, even if the old stock didn't sell much, keeping it all available is certainly more consumer-friendly. (Since it's not as though they'll run out of floor space or anything.) And I actually agree with that. Taking items away and bringing them back sporadically without notice creates tension/friction. But the argument people are often making is as though there's so much money being left on the table by those old items being gone, and I just can't think of any of those old items that were all that popular anymore. Most of the more in-demand items, it seemed to me, were either the new hotness, or the seasonal/already-retired stuff.

    Personally, there's a lot I would change about how to bring the retired items back (I'd try bringing them back to the store itself for a week or two on a schedule so people can know when to expect them, for instance)... but I guess there's something about the argument that I'm missing. Losing occasional/incidental sales of dead stock doesn't seem like it'd be losing EME lots of money on the whole, even though it is inconvenient on a personal level.

    (Please understand that I'm not trying to argue against anyone personally, and I'm not saying that it's wrong to want all the items to be on the store. I wouldn't mind that at all, and would think it's generally more convenient. But I'm just not sure I could make a convincing argument that they'd make more money that way, which is what people often say. I'd like to try to understand better why people think that to see if there's maybe some other angle to this.)

    in theory, this theory almost works. however, in fact, look at any broker. not only are people no longer buying the old stuff that's not in the shop, people aren't even buying the new stuff when it comes out. There's... literally one of the new swim suit on broker on MT, there's currently SIX elite 30 day vouchers. This change didn't encourage people to buy daily deals or new stuff, it encouraged them to stop wasting their money on tera. With the old system, people would frequently buy the costume/loot boxes they wanted in bulk and then use their leftover emp to sell stuff to others or buy elites and list them, but now no one is willing to spend money, and the few people who do are only spending it on themselves.
  • edited August 2018
    I totally understand the argument from a new or returning player's perspective looking for a certain item, can't find it, and don't know when it'll be available again. That being said, my perception was that fashion items had a very high bias towards selling when they were new, and a sharp drop-off after that. Sure, people created alts or decided later on to pick things up they missed, so there'd still be the odd sale from time-to-time, but it seems to me that EME kept discounting the older items steeper and steeper during sales, implying that otherwise they were barely selling. In that kind of environment, the actual impact to their bottom-line of removing them would be very small, and the potential benefit of bringing them back as timed-exclusives much larger.

    I guess you could argue that, even if the old stock didn't sell much, keeping it all available is certainly more consumer-friendly. (Since it's not as though they'll run out of floor space or anything.) And I actually agree with that. Taking items away and bringing them back sporadically without notice creates tension/friction. But the argument people are often making is as though there's so much money being left on the table by those old items being gone, and I just can't think of any of those old items that were all that popular anymore. Most of the more in-demand items, it seemed to me, were either the new hotness, or the seasonal/already-retired stuff.

    Personally, there's a lot I would change about how to bring the retired items back (I'd try bringing them back to the store itself for a week or two on a schedule so people can know when to expect them, for instance)... but I guess there's something about the argument that I'm missing. Losing occasional/incidental sales of dead stock doesn't seem like it'd be losing EME lots of money on the whole, even though it is inconvenient on a personal level.

    (Please understand that I'm not trying to argue against anyone personally, and I'm not saying that it's wrong to want all the items to be on the store. I wouldn't mind that at all, and would think it's generally more convenient. But I'm just not sure I could make a convincing argument that they'd make more money that way, which is what people often say. I'd like to try to understand better why people think that to see if there's maybe some other angle to this.)

    in theory, this theory almost works. however, in fact, look at any broker. not only are people no longer buying the old stuff that's not in the shop, people aren't even buying the new stuff when it comes out. There's... literally one of the new swim suit on broker on MT, there's currently SIX elite 30 day vouchers. This change didn't encourage people to buy daily deals or new stuff, it encouraged them to stop wasting their money on tera. With the old system, people would frequently buy the costume/loot boxes they wanted in bulk and then use their leftover emp to sell stuff to others or buy elites and list them, but now no one is willing to spend money, and the few people who do are only spending it on themselves.

    Again, not trying to be argumentative, but I'm not quite sure I follow the cause-and-effect. They mostly retired the 1+ year old items that (based on the degree of discounts during sales) were not selling that well, so why would that alone cause people to be all up and "well, I'm never trading anything in game ever again!"? They've also retired old costumes a number of times before in the past -- sure, they retired a greater quantity this time, but it's not the first time.

    I mean, I do get the point that less people seem to be selling things right now (confirmed the broker for Elite vouchers on MT, for instance -- that is unusual), but I'm just not sure about the correlation. It seems weird to me that old lesser-selling items would somehow be like the glue that held the whole ship together. Maybe it is...? I guess, though I'll never know, it'd be interesting to see if the real sales have actually dipped accordingly, or if it is more "people spending on themselves" as you say.

    (My personal opinion about the swimsuits, all this aside, is that I didn't really like them that much this year, so had no interest in buying them. I liked the older ones more, but there was little reason to buy for EMP given they were still over-stocked on the broker from 2017's summer event. I wonder if all that might be playing a part in this "no need to spend" syndrome.)
  • SageWinduSageWindu High Seat of the Jedi Council ✭✭✭✭✭
    (My personal opinion about the swimsuits, all this aside, is that I didn't really like them that much this year, so had no interest in buying them. I liked the older ones more, but there was little reason to buy for EMP given they were still over-stocked on the broker from 2017's summer event. I wonder if all that might be playing a part in this "no need to spend" syndrome.)

    I find it interesting how you and a few others keep bringing this up. I tested this on CH shortly after the speculations came out when the event first started and I found jack all, at least regarding smartboxes. You'd think CH in particular would have had the highest surplus of excess costumes considering how casual it is (if the various players just standing around Velika and Highwatch are any indication).
  • edited August 2018
    SageWindu wrote: »
    (My personal opinion about the swimsuits, all this aside, is that I didn't really like them that much this year, so had no interest in buying them. I liked the older ones more, but there was little reason to buy for EMP given they were still over-stocked on the broker from 2017's summer event. I wonder if all that might be playing a part in this "no need to spend" syndrome.)

    I find it interesting how you and a few others keep bringing this up. I tested this on CH shortly after the speculations came out when the event first started and I found jack all, at least regarding smartboxes. You'd think CH in particular would have had the highest surplus of excess costumes considering how casual it is (if the various players just standing around Velika and Highwatch are any indication).

    Bit of a side-topic, but one of the early weeks when the old swimsuits were on daily deals, I did testing of all servers to compare the prices on the broker with the equivalent EMP price the daily deal was asking for. I compared with Elite 30-day as a point of reference, since it's a known quantity and reasonable to compare EMP vs. gold. These were my notes:

    TR: Elite-30 95k; Dyeable Leisure Smartbox 150k; Elin Dyeable One-Piece 140k
    FF: Elite-30 110k; Dyeable Leisure Smartbox N/A (costumes between 60k and 70k); Elin Dyeable One-Piece 82k
    CH: Elite-30 97k; Dyeable Leisure Smartbox 98.5k; Elin Dyeable One-Piece 120k
    AV: Elite-30 125k; Dyeable Leisure Smartbox N/A (costumes between 70k and 130k); Elin Dyeable One-Piece 85k
    MT: Elite-30 129.5k, Dyeable Leisure Smartbox 80k; Elin Dyeable One-Piece 140k

    (NOTE: The Elin Dyeable One-Piece is just a reference, since it's the same as what is in the smartbox. But you can see that, on some servers, there's a habit of opening the smartbox on an Elin and then brokering the costume for more than the smartbox would cost to play on ignorance.)

    IIRC, the dyeable smartbox in Daily Deals was selling for either 3995 EMP or 4495 EMP that week, which was almost 3x the price of Elite. The only real reason why a dyeable smartbox or its dyeable costumes would be that lowly-valued was really from the event.
  • Ehmm..I just made lvl 62 on my brawler.., the game it is still fun.but the comunity..it will never how it was once, I play on fey forest, i know this server is the deadest one..My question is, So i need a more simple answer..Should i buy like 5k or 10k emp, to be prepared when the old costumes will be in rotation? I am looking for a specific costume, that businessman white suit it is pretty old...Also, What about dps brawler? it will work?
  • ElinLoveElinLove ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hisagi1 wrote: »
    Ehmm..I just made lvl 62 on my brawler.., the game it is still fun.but the comunity..it will never how it was once, I play on fey forest, i know this server is the deadest one..My question is, So i need a more simple answer..Should i buy like 5k or 10k emp, to be prepared when the old costumes will be in rotation? I am looking for a specific costume, that businessman white suit it is pretty old...Also, What about dps brawler? it will work?

    About buying EMP in advance, I don't think it's necessary unless you have specific financial reasons for this (say you only have a certain time window when it's good/OK/worth it spending on superfluous stuff, and let's face it costumes are this type of expense), if your credit card takes long enough to approve the payment, or if EMP sales pop up (as in, EMP per dollar goes higher). As far as I know the EMP to dollar rate is quite constant and hasn't changed for years (correct me if I'm wrong), but indeed if your country has high inflation rate and/or the dollar just rises by each day then it could be a nice option to have it ahead of time (but even then, the inflation has to be quite high for that to be a valid option).

    Or is anyone experienced enough with the EMP store able to correct something, like if it takes some hours or more to show up EMP on your account regardless of credit card?

    DPS Brawler used to be a valid option when I was around more, but I'm too outdated to say nowadays.
  • ElinLove wrote: »
    Or is anyone experienced enough with the EMP store able to correct something, like if it takes some hours or more to show up EMP on your account regardless of credit card?

    All the payment methods they offer should fulfill immediately/within minutes. And yeah, the EMP:dollar ratio hasn't changed in a long time; you're right it'd only be impacted by currency exchange (but that depends on your country). Sometimes they have special deals, like where you get a token for a weapon skin/costume if you purchase at a certain time, but just have to watch out for that.
  • MeningitisMeningitis ✭✭✭✭
    Hisagi1 wrote: »
    Also, What about dps brawler? it will work?
    Don't do this unless you're in a guild that's fine with you running as a dps brawler. When you ims you cannot choose dps option as a brawler. You will always be queued as tank. The developers made brawler to be a tank with no party support but high personal dps. Tank brawler always has high dps anyway, so if you want to play brawler, play it as the high dmg tank it was meant to be played as.

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