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Recent DMCA Takedowns of Third-Party Programs - Discussion [Updated: November 8th]

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  • People who made use of packet injector scripts to mitigate the effect of latency in their performance, were pretty much players who were CRIPPLED by this issue and couldn't play the game at the level of those who have acceptable latency levels. NA Tera has only East Coast servers so West Coast living players play at latencies of 100ms or higher, players outside north american territory, even higher. The game engine, code are designed to work under 50ms to perform as intended, latencies higher than that cause desync in skill usage and other adverse issues that affect the player experience, for those who play the game at a serious level in content with short reaction times (mainly tanking and healing). The 3rd party applications, mainly the latency mitigation you so earnestly have fiought against, was pretty much what a leg prosthesis is to a person missing a leg, a tool that enables to perform at a level comparable of a healthy, whole person, just in comparison.
  • MeningitisMeningitis ✭✭✭✭
    In relation to specifically the handling of 3rd party programs such as proxy and dps meters:

    Xigncode3 hasn't been proven effective at all in multiple regions and only makes player's game performances worse. The shutdown of the major proxy has nothing to do with xigncode3 working- only En Masse working manually to remove cheaters. This should show you that manually hunting for ToS breakers is much more effective than having a resource hogging useless program onto your customer's computers.

    Some players use proxy to avoid super high ping/consistent lag spikes. This is the only legitimate reason for people to use it. Eme is completely within their rights to ban players who use it and should remain consistent in banning cheaters. Some of the ping issues just can't be helped (people have bad internet or live far away sometimes), but Tera in particular has always had major issues with lag when other games have not. This needs to be more seriously looked at and handled by En Masse. You guys should encourage BHS to make certain infamously ping dependent skills more friendly as well so that people won't need super low ping to play a class optimally.
  • dragonmu12dragonmu12 Israel ✭✭✭
    edited September 2018
    you cant do anything anymore.. the devs that creating the tools for QOL like shinra and skill prediction(proxy mod that help with ping) dont want to support you anymore.. and you cant create those tools.
    the dmca just angered the developers to not support tera na.
    it all started with Golden/silver talent,Server lags,Elite perks,No more fun events,and there is like 20/30 more problems.
    and now this. sigh.
  • Meningitis wrote: »
    In relation to specifically the handling of 3rd party programs such as proxy and dps meters:

    Xigncode3 hasn't been proven effective at all in multiple regions and only makes player's game performances worse. The shutdown of the major proxy has nothing to do with xigncode3 working- only En Masse working manually to remove cheaters. This should show you that manually hunting for ToS breakers is much more effective than having a resource hogging useless program onto your customer's computers.

    Some players use proxy to avoid super high ping/consistent lag spikes. This is the only legitimate reason for people to use it. Eme is completely within their rights to ban players who use it and should remain consistent in banning cheaters. Some of the ping issues just can't be helped (people have bad internet or live far away sometimes), but Tera in particular has always had major issues with lag when other games have not. This needs to be more seriously looked at and handled by En Masse. You guys should encourage BHS to make certain infamously ping dependent skills more friendly as well so that people won't need super low ping to play a class optimally.
    Eme, just read this guy... Sayd everything !
  • as many people stated,remove xigncode

    and make it so your skill queue'ing is better or exact same as "skill ping remover"
    one of the biggest reasons many players uses proxy is cause the game becomes 90% unplayable due to high ping breaking skills(biggest problematic skill is shield barrage from lancers,most reaper skills combos and warrior,not 1 or 2 skills,the whole class becomes unplayable at high ping along with archer,which i main)
    zerk unleashed has loads of problems with it too

    a in-game dps meter to allow us,players,to watch how our performance is,help others with their class when they need help and figure out why people cant break shield wipe mechs and not waste other's times on it(others can be reported for harassment tho)

    these are the changes that'd make tera playable on my case,a player with hover 240ms that loves archer and lancer with heart
  • DigivolveDigivolve ✭✭✭✭
    As you always like to shield yourselves with "it's against Terms of Service"..... maybe it's time to adapt them. Change them to work better for all of us. Or are they words written in stone? EME was once a company that engaged with their community and knew better than to resort to Pay-to-win events. Look at you now - Federation gem crates, removal of strongbox jackpots events etc, staff extremely lacking in knowledge when it comes to core game system, mechanics, gameplay and gameplay experience.

    Proxy was most dominantly used by high ping players so they can play as any other NA player living close to the servers. Yes, there were abusers but there are bad apples everywhere. Do you not think we had blacklist channels in our discord servers for repeating offenders, specifically because their abuse was harmful for us as well? As people before me have said, find a middle ground, and adjust ToS accordingly.
  • The simplest and easiest solution they could do, that is, "Eme" as a company, contribute with the creators and users of the proxy (which is the majority) in a single program that is "Legal" ... The creators make these mods, and you would give the approval of, yes ... you can use this ... no, you can not do this ... it's not very difficult ...


    If u cancele the proxy , the 100% of Latin players leave TERA and move to another games/servers. (Na players too)
  • MONITOw wrote: »
    The simplest and easiest solution they could do, that is, "Eme" as a company, contribute with the creators and users of the proxy (which is the majority) in a single program that is "Legal" ... The creators make these mods, and you would give the approval of, yes ... you can use this ... no, you can not do this ... it's not very difficult ...


    If u cancele the proxy , the 100% of Latin players leave TERA and move to another games/servers. (Na players too)

    we suggested that eme should work with the proxy developers back when spacecats was still around. I would like to be able to play the game without lagging or rubberbanding all the time, but I never downloaded any 3rd party stuff cause I don't want to get banned. so yeah, maybe eme should talk to those guys and find a safe legal way of making the game run better for us. also bring back removed content would be very nice like iod, alliance, baldera acess and so on. thanks
  • ChloroxChlorox ✭✭
    edited October 2018
    bring back proxy, delete xgin
  • Hopefully things will change now.
  • EVENTS THAT WERE "THE END OF TERA"
    - 0 Ping SP being abused in PVE for high rankings on Teradps.io
    - Memeslashers
    - Teleport modules
    - Infinite DG runs
    - that EME thread where they said they were going to ban ANYONE using proxy no exception
    - EME scrambles the OP codes
    - Pinkie making a private server
    - New patch where EME said they took measures to stop proxy/3rd party software
    - XIGN release
    - (((YOU ARE HERE))) EME gets Caali's discord closed and github links taken down

    Each of these points had the forums and discord flooded with people saying they're quitting and the game is F*CKED


  • "We took this action in an effort to protect the experience for those who play the game fairly and engage in the community positively."

    You guys could think in to help and support Non-North American Players that used those stuffs just to have a decent and fairly gameplay for us. If you have a support so that we can buy EMP, why we don't have one to help our ping and gameplay? It is frustrating, discouraging and unfair. That's all.
  • DvsvDvsv ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2018
    EME, you can also change your TOS and work with some honest third party devs (just like what you guys did with essential mana in the past) to create some officially approved tools like a DPS meter and a limited skill predictor that only works on PVE, you can check the code and put it in Tera's front page, enforce the TOS and ban everything else.

    Problem solved.
  • REDDOTREDDOT ✭✭
    edited October 2018
    -In all honesty, it just provides more competition to become even better at your class if you *want* to compete with those people
    -Not supported by the proxy developers, if I recall correctly they even kick or ban people who are asking for this cheat on their discord server
    -Teleport modules were also not supported by the developers, and were removed on sight if it was ever posted on their discord
    -Refer to the two points

    Private servers are mostly an indication that the official servers are:
    1. Has really poor management
    2. The game itself is bad on it's own, so the people who developed the private server are attempting to make a better experience for people
    3. There's no longer an official server

    By the way, I'm pretty sure you have common sense and those exploits were released privately, and I am confident that as long "certain people" are still paying for it, it's not going to get patched. I bet bots will still exist even after October 16th.
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