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Recent DMCA Takedowns of Third-Party Programs - Discussion [Updated: November 8th]

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  • The thing is that if PvP is mainly dead and PvE will die as well or it will become extremely dull and boring since so many good players are losing interest for whatever reason and are starting to sell their gear and leaving then what will become of this game?

    Is there some sort of follow up to this decision to block the proxy thing that could help the PvE community?
  • Hey ho. i've been playing on eu for a long time and the unfair conditions have made me ask certain questions to the gameforge crew. After weeks of no response, I was even banned under the words "I would call for proxy use" of course, that was a lie on the part of the admins, because always clear that I wrote VS cheats and proxy.

    the gameforge crew is absolutely corrupt and lies and spends their time on private discord servers with a select minority of players. there is no information on important topics and no clear statement on the "third party question".

    example thread:
    https://board.tera.gameforge.com/index.php/Thread/72609-Questions-to-Admins-Managers-Moderators/


    I am happy if this ban finally arrives in the EU and TERA is optimized to the extent that many wish.

    For years, fair players adhered to the general terms of business. not even gameforge, admins, community managers, facilitators, and helpers have held these. there was never any clear evidence.

    moongourd can stay away too, bravo!

    which of course would be nice if the ping and fps problem is officially solved. It is time that the fair players are rewarded.
  • There is something positive and negative.

    The positive, the main guild that rule Kaitor server. In CU
    Were defeated for first time in long time, since this notice. They always won.

    The negative queque times increased even more. Now getting a party for a 431 or 412 is 3 x time.

    So technically player progression were nerfed by 90%. A new player will be lucky if reach frosmetal +0 in 4 months
  • Xerses wrote: »
    22 pages of replies and not a single one from counterpoint. You know [filtered]'s bad when counterpoint stops defending eme

    counterpoint doesn't just mindlessly defend EME.
  • sid79ssid79s ✭✭
    edited September 2018
    FODOKCH wrote: »
    sid79s wrote: »
    that the minority of the players were cheats, please since 2017 the statistics changed a lot, currently the majority used the proxy to tramapically 80% of the proxy players abused the pergrams and those that were really helped were minority,

    I repeat again my previous comment you want to blame someone, blame you cheat friend blame yourself for not reporting to cheats, by God in FWC most of the top players in the rank were cheaters who did not use the proxy to aid in the ping if not to cheat, they made impossible combos because they broke the game rules of the class they had with practically infinite combos if they wanted, petrax in 3 seconds please that's just cheating and I do not use proxy to level your ping if not to break the rules, as I said the community abuse of the proxy to break rules not to help the statistics change and they became majority and when that happens the radical measures are applied, blame your friend who took advantage of the game

    @sid79s u r wrong bro, u cant do the right rotation with warrior with 200ms+, of course the TOP pvp players uses proxy, even who lives in chicago has high ping, to fix it the people are using proxy because it is the solution, lag spikes like a hell in tera, so i wont blame my cheat friend because that enmasse already has banned them. I challenge you to play tera with 200ms+

    you should read the comment again I'm not talking about the people who use the proxy to improve their ping, I'm talking about the people who use the proxy to take advantage of the game, if nobody realized that EME is not removing the proxies by the people who only want to improve their ping, EME removing it by the people who use them to cheat, how many people you know cheats and breaks the rules and instead of reporting the contrary they want to do the same, the game has more than 5 years and believe that eme I did not know about the proxys, of course they knew and everything was fine until people started abusing and cheating, as I said now the statistics changed saying that cheats are minority when today was the opposite there were more cheaters honest people, I play tera without proxies or scripts or anything and give battle to those proxies and I am Latin I do not have a low ping, just see some comments above where a person is complaining because he has a ping of 17ms Because you do not have the proxy anymore, you think that person needs a proxy, obviously he does not use it to improve his ping.

    the cheaters are always here and in 2 or 3 days they will find another way to cheat but if people do not report, why do people cry and complain with EME when the people who cheat are the cause of all this?
  • sid79s wrote: »
    FODOKCH wrote: »
    sid79s wrote: »
    that the minority of the players were cheats, please since 2017 the statistics changed a lot, currently the majority used the proxy to tramapically 80% of the proxy players abused the pergrams and those that were really helped were minority,

    I repeat again my previous comment you want to blame someone, blame you cheat friend blame yourself for not reporting to cheats, by God in FWC most of the top players in the rank were cheaters who did not use the proxy to aid in the ping if not to cheat, they made impossible combos because they broke the game rules of the class they had with practically infinite combos if they wanted, petrax in 3 seconds please that's just cheating and I do not use proxy to level your ping if not to break the rules, as I said the community abuse of the proxy to break rules not to help the statistics change and they became majority and when that happens the radical measures are applied, blame your friend who took advantage of the game

    @sid79s u r wrong bro, u cant do the right rotation with warrior with 200ms+, of course the TOP pvp players uses proxy, even who lives in chicago has high ping, to fix it the people are using proxy because it is the solution, lag spikes like a hell in tera, so i wont blame my cheat friend because that enmasse already has banned them. I challenge you to play tera with 200ms+

    you should read the comment again I'm not talking about the people who use the proxy to improve their ping, I'm talking about the people who use the proxy to take advantage of the game, if nobody realized that EME is not removing the proxies by the people who only want to improve their ping, EME removing it by the people who use them to cheat, how many people you know cheats and breaks the rules and instead of reporting the contrary they want to do the same, the game has more than 5 years and believe that eme I did not know about the proxys, of course they knew and everything was fine until people started abusing and cheating, as I said now the statistics changed saying that cheats are minority when today was the opposite there were more cheaters honest people, I play tera without proxies or scripts or anything and give battle to those proxies and I am Latin I do not have a low ping, just see some comments above where a person is complaining because he has a ping of 17ms Because you do not have the proxy anymore, you think that person needs a proxy, obviously he does not use it to improve his ping.

    the cheaters are always here and in 2 or 3 days they will find another way to cheat but if people do not report, why do people cry and complain with EME when the people who cheat are the cause of all this?

    There are exploiters thats for sure, but I'd say that they represent a small portion of those who used proxy. Sadly the ignorant community think of every proxy user the same way, exploiters or not and EME is just as dumb as them.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    Words from your beloved GF comunity manager (Nyoka) about 3rd party software:
    It has come to our attention that the in game usage of exploits and cheats that allow for an unfair gameplay advantage in both PvP and PvE contents has been increasing.
    While in the past we’ve tolerated partial usage of non-malicious tools in Europe, we are convinced that blocking malicious usages must be a priority to protect the integrity of the game and believe this is in the best interest of the TERA community.

    So I hope you get fun leveling your characters, spending money if you ever did that in the game and later get banned because GF stance about this is no diferent than EME and sooner or later they will enforce similar actions.
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  • milktease wrote: »
    It's disappointing to see various people in here saying "good riddance" and suggesting that this won't affect the game at all. You must be really playing inside a bubble if you think this won't drastically decrease number of players in the game.

    The number of people who naturally have low enough ping to enjoy the game as it was designed to run is limited to the NA West Coast. I know more people on the game from SEA, EU, OCE than from NA, let alone the West Coast. If you can get good ping from where you live, great. If you insist on sitting on your "ethical" high horse, don't judge those that have used these tools to make the game playable and put them on an even playing field with the more geographically advantaged.

    The truth is that these developers have helped to extend the life of this game by making it playable for so many people. Most of the people who use it do not exploit it, and it does not give them an unfair advantage over you. Most of the people you see in dungeons and around the game need proxy to play. Even out of the ones who don't, there are many who use Xigncode bypass.

    Of course it would be great if people could play without using third party software, but the reality is that BHS and Eme are incompetent and will never correct the issues that continuously plague the game. Even bugs and glitches fail to get fixed for months, it's no wonder that people have resorted to solutions made by outside developers.

    Stay on your ethical pedestal all you want. This is going to affect everyone who continues to play, no matter how separated you think you are from proxy.

    ur dumb, west coast actually gets worse ping than east coast does bc chicago is closer to east LMAO, chicago is a center of population meaning anywhere in the us should get at maximum, lower than 80. am i gonna cry like a baby and fill my diaper up because i cant get good to ping to br servers in cs? hell no, i'm going to play on NA servers. hell, some servers have a LIMIT to what ping you have before you can join. tera players are just entitled as [filtered] and think this is something common when its really not, and in every other game if you have high ping, thats that, and its ur fault for not playing on the local server. and no local servers near where you live? tough [filtered]
  • Fezoh wrote: »
    milktease wrote: »
    It's disappointing to see various people in here saying "good riddance" and suggesting that this won't affect the game at all. You must be really playing inside a bubble if you think this won't drastically decrease number of players in the game.

    The number of people who naturally have low enough ping to enjoy the game as it was designed to run is limited to the NA West Coast. I know more people on the game from SEA, EU, OCE than from NA, let alone the West Coast. If you can get good ping from where you live, great. If you insist on sitting on your "ethical" high horse, don't judge those that have used these tools to make the game playable and put them on an even playing field with the more geographically advantaged.

    The truth is that these developers have helped to extend the life of this game by making it playable for so many people. Most of the people who use it do not exploit it, and it does not give them an unfair advantage over you. Most of the people you see in dungeons and around the game need proxy to play. Even out of the ones who don't, there are many who use Xigncode bypass.

    Of course it would be great if people could play without using third party software, but the reality is that BHS and Eme are incompetent and will never correct the issues that continuously plague the game. Even bugs and glitches fail to get fixed for months, it's no wonder that people have resorted to solutions made by outside developers.

    Stay on your ethical pedestal all you want. This is going to affect everyone who continues to play, no matter how separated you think you are from proxy.

    ur dumb, west coast actually gets worse ping than east coast does bc chicago is closer to east LMAO, chicago is a center of population meaning anywhere in the us should get at maximum, lower than 80. am i gonna cry like a baby and fill my diaper up because i cant get good to ping to br servers in cs? hell no, i'm going to play on NA servers. hell, some servers have a LIMIT to what ping you have before you can join. tera players are just entitled as [filtered] and think this is something common when its really not, and in every other game if you have high ping, thats that, and its ur fault for not playing on the local server. and no local servers near where you live? tough [filtered]

    Shut your damn mouth if you do not know what is going on. Even with high ping, there are games that implement netcodes way better than Tera does. The glitches, flaws in netcode in Tera was fixed by these devs because BHS and EME and not done anything to resolve them for over 5 years, no excuse for a large game dev and publisher. I swear I could have coded a much better netcode with that amount of time they sat on doing nothing, and that is with me not even knowing much advanced coding. Some games may have ping lock, but I want you to know that the vast majority of them implement netcodes in a way that is fair in terms of ping, you clearly do not play enough MMOs to understand netcode implementation.

    Here is an advice for you, if you don't know nuts, shut your mouth.
  • since eme wana kill itself,i will surely help out,i will move to EU tera!
  • favoniusfavonius ✭✭
    edited September 2018
    I have already started at EU , they welcomed with so many buddy up codes.

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  • Fezoh wrote: »
    milktease wrote: »
    It's disappointing to see various people in here saying "good riddance" and suggesting that this won't affect the game at all. You must be really playing inside a bubble if you think this won't drastically decrease number of players in the game.

    The number of people who naturally have low enough ping to enjoy the game as it was designed to run is limited to the NA West Coast. I know more people on the game from SEA, EU, OCE than from NA, let alone the West Coast. If you can get good ping from where you live, great. If you insist on sitting on your "ethical" high horse, don't judge those that have used these tools to make the game playable and put them on an even playing field with the more geographically advantaged.

    The truth is that these developers have helped to extend the life of this game by making it playable for so many people. Most of the people who use it do not exploit it, and it does not give them an unfair advantage over you. Most of the people you see in dungeons and around the game need proxy to play. Even out of the ones who don't, there are many who use Xigncode bypass.

    Of course it would be great if people could play without using third party software, but the reality is that BHS and Eme are incompetent and will never correct the issues that continuously plague the game. Even bugs and glitches fail to get fixed for months, it's no wonder that people have resorted to solutions made by outside developers.

    Stay on your ethical pedestal all you want. This is going to affect everyone who continues to play, no matter how separated you think you are from proxy.

    ur dumb, west coast actually gets worse ping than east coast does bc chicago is closer to east LMAO, chicago is a center of population meaning anywhere in the us should get at maximum, lower than 80. am i gonna cry like a baby and fill my diaper up because i cant get good to ping to br servers in cs? hell no, i'm going to play on NA servers. hell, some servers have a LIMIT to what ping you have before you can join. tera players are just entitled as [filtered] and think this is something common when its really not, and in every other game if you have high ping, thats that, and its ur fault for not playing on the local server. and no local servers near where you live? tough [filtered]

    Shut your damn mouth if you do not know what is going on. Even with high ping, there are games that implement netcodes way better than Tera does. The glitches, flaws in netcode in Tera was fixed by these devs because BHS and EME and not done anything to resolve them for over 5 years, no excuse for a large game dev and publisher. I swear I could have coded a much better netcode with that amount of time they sat on doing nothing, and that is with me not even knowing much advanced coding. Some games may have ping lock, but I want you to know that the vast majority of them implement netcodes in a way that is fair in terms of ping, you clearly do not play enough MMOs to understand netcode implementation.

    Here is an advice for you, if you don't know nuts, shut your mouth.

    uh not really there is zero games that exist where a high ping player will be on an even level with lower ping players. netcode is also extremely complicated to perfect which is why certain games are praised over others for it (see: lag compensation, etc), its not something a novice level shitter can "just do better because lol".

    btw when you say the proxy devs '''''fixed'''' the netcode, they literally just changed the way the client handles skill casting and thats why it is awful with pvp because pvp is server sided. totally fixed it though!
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