Recent DMCA Takedowns of Third-Party Programs - Discussion [Updated: November 8th]

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  • CornishRexCornishRex ✭✭✭✭✭
    > @FODOKCH said:
    > yes, first they had to find a solution and then dmca the proxy

    This this this so much. Eme had every right to take down the proxy and fight against it. But will this do them any good, if they don't bother to implement what proxy has gave us?
    But they are so ignorant, thinking that removing proxy will stop their problems. Big exploiters/botters know how to map opcodes on their own, they will continue to exploit and xigncode obviously does nothing to stop them considering eme had to file a dmca notice on their own LOL how embarassing.

    Ping compensation, fps utils, shinra, tcc, auto vanguard, skip cutsecene, chat timestamps and various other qol fixes could be integrated into the game. They could replace proxy and literally make people not use it. If they took the time and effort to maybe work with the devs, or at the very least for bhs to apply these fixes on their own there would be no need for proxy.
    These are the things community has been asking for since tera came out. The proxy is a result of the community taking things in their own hands, just shows how much people care about this game and want it to improve, while being ignored consistently by eme and bhs. Proxy is the result of eme not listening to constructive criticism.

    So eme, on October 16th once the proxy support ends, will you provide the community with what has been taken away? Or will you toss it aside like all of your other promises? Are you even aware how many people stayed ingame because of these tools and how many would have left ages ago if it weren't for those tools?
  • BlueKoRBlueKoR ✭✭
    edited October 2018
    Alright people calling me delusional? You are the delusional ones. You think, that these those who have been exploiting the game and coming in and messing with files. Are here to help you and the other thousands of other Tera players. Play the game because they are nice people? People who just want to help the community against the big Bad enmasse because Enmasse won't fix anything. when in reality here is the situation. The people are invading the game, messing with the game files and giving out proxy all of them are here for their own gain. they are not here to help you play the game better, they are not here to improve Tera for the people! they are not vigilante's and outlaws on the outside of the law helping to help take the fight to Enmasse and force them to improve their game. they are rule breakers. they are cheaters they are people who in one way or another are benefiting themselves while providing a service to exploit the game.

    they are not doing this for the benefit for the Tera community although that maybe something that is happening as the result of their exploiting! they are here for themselves that's it. They are learning how to exploit the video game which will have coding and programming similar to other mmorpgs where once this game dies. they will make their way over to those games and hack and exploit them if they can because it is there hobby, they wanna learn and get better at programming and how to mess with the game files and they do this for fun, some for money, some because they hate the company, and some because they think they're doing good when in actuality they are just parasites. taking the work and programming of others and rewriting it for their own wants and desires.

    you people blame enmasse for when Bern or whatever the [filtered] his name was went to them and said "hey you guys there's a guy here whose gonna exploit your work in this manner this way etc let me help." and then you treat him like he was innocent! " he was just trying to help the game man!" but here is a great question. Why would I let someone who broke my terms of services, my rules that I put down in a term of agreement and they agreed to not break but then go completely out of their way to exploit the game and hack it while also selling proxies on the side for money.

    Why in hell would I let a third party programmer. Have access to the game when they've already been exploiting. Another scenario why the hell would I [filtered] listen to them? You don't know their true intentions. in that scenario Bern was trying to get back his work that he helped some other people make and when they took it from him he only decided to go get help because his effort went to waste. Is that really the kind of person. You wanna trust when they were already selling proxies to people for money in your game breaking the rules established?

    Many of you only see the good things they've done " they gave us proxy to allows us to have lower pings hurrah praise them for being good!" When you, who are now exploiting the game to play it. are no better than those who abuse injector to cheat the game. Let me be honest. I don't give a [filtered] if Proxy is a necessary for you so you can play the game. So you can get your fix on your tera addictions. you are now breaking the terms of agreement and thus you need to held accountable. what kind of message would it send if Enmasse just said "well we have all these people breaking our game and rules lets just stay passive and see what happens!" as a company you do that and that opens the way for more 3rd party programmers to start making their way here. For example the bots we see now today. In 2014-2016 there were no bots that were a issue that would spam the game chat.we had a few times the forums would get flooded by something but the problem got taken care of quickly and without issue. but In 2017 and 2018 when proxy and people who used proxy started become more rampant and appearing in the game after enmasse started letting things like memeslash exist, or letting people put proxy in the game without a true 100% method to deal with it. we then now have opened the gateway for more exploiters, and more things to come through and very much ruin the game experience for people. because Now Enmasse is seen as weak, easily accessibly and a perfect place to go in and exploit or mess with making it a hackers paradise!

    we now have bots in the game, we now have more people exploiting and breaking it that makes up more than half of this community. almost everyone today uses proxy because it is better for them personally to use it. meanwhile there are players who are playing the game fairly now having to deal with the [filtered] of seeing everyone around them cheating the game. You the tera players. keep asking enmasse to fix the issue but the issue here is they are not able to tackle this problem efficiently. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW! what kind of money enmasse is pulling in. how many players are left actually playing the game, we don't know what their costs are for running the company, how much it costs to rent the severs out in Chicago,Europe,and Korea, How much it costs them to pay their employee's and how much it takes to program and design new things. we simply do not know anything about the company because it is private and its privately invested.

    The reason half the bosses and mobs we see in Tera are rehashed as content. Is because it is a lot cheaper to keep rehashing a boss or dungeon or design then making or designing something completely new to play. You people complaining for better connections and things? YOU GET TO PLAY FOR FREE. You're not paying them money monthly to have a good connection and even if you are paying to support the game through elite or through EMP you are doing this on your own whim. It is not Enmassess job to make it so you have the best lowest pings and best fps you can get. it is their job to provide the service and access to their video game. which they already do. the issue of "my ping is bad." is simply on you and your area of living. if you wanna continue to pay them 15$ a month for elite perks thats all you get your elite perks they don' need to go lets build servers in South America or wherever else to compensate for you. It would definitely be beneficial to them do that making people more willing to spend money ona game they enjoy. but plenty of other people connect fine to the game and as unfair as that is you're SoL. Enmasse is not Blizzard North, or any other large mmorpg company. i sincerely doubt Tera has raked in as much money compared to many of these other mmorpgs. in fact there was a huge lay off along time for enmasse entertainment where they fired a bunch of their employees. So how is the company actually doing right now no one has a [filtered] clue. only enmasse knows how they are doing.
  • MatrixOfLeadersMatrixOfLeaders ✭✭✭
    edited October 2018
    So much QQ in this post.

    You all knew proxies were against the TOS.

    You proxy users are now on the same playing field as everybody else now.

    You need to time your rotations better now (like everyone else and not have a proxy hold your hand)

    Accept it and move on.
  • ValiantCorvusValiantCorvus ✭✭✭
    edited October 2018
    Get real.

    People who played with proxy aren't going to keep playing without it. Yes, it's against tos, but you don't exactly have the benefit of a depth of players to start making moves like this. Thousands of players? The game averages mid to low 1000 daily, not even a tenth of what other steam MMOs log.

    Face it. EME screwed up. Come the 16th the last of the competitive population will be gone since most just wanted the meter, and there isn't going to be much left
  • LolitaaLolitaa ✭✭✭
    edited October 2018
    BlueKoR wrote: »
    Alright people calling me delusional? You are the delusional ones. You think, that these tho.....

    why do you have such a long a stick up your bum in regards to breaking tos? like its really hurting you that badly? that seems to be your main concern, that it's breaking tos.

    the "my ping is bad." part is true. because of my location, it is ridiculous. and in this day and age where we have the tech and knowledge to fix that issue, I should not be punished for my location
    cheat
    verb
    1.
    act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage

    majority of proxy users don't "cheat". because basic sp doesn't actually give an advantage over low ping players.
    we aren't exploiting [filtered].
    we are playing how the game was intended to be played.
    omegalul
  • EME screwed up? the people who screwed up were the ones who decided to use proxy play the game.
  • Look the issue here is a lack of resources to handle the situation correctly. again no one knows how succesful enmasse is doing as a company currently.
  • SolheimSolheim ✭✭✭
    So much QQ in this post.

    You all knew proxies were against the TOS.

    You proxy users are now on the same playing field as everybody else now.

    You need to time your rotations better now (like everyone else and not have a proxy hold your hand)

    Accept it and move on.

    The issue I have with this is that it's impossible to have a "level playing field" in a game as ping reliant as Tera. People have been asking for something to be implemented to the game to address the ping tax on certain skills/classes as well as the desyncs (lancer onslaught) that ping can cause, and nothing has been done. Proxy came about to address issues like this. Admittedly it's against ToS, but people just want "a level playing field" and EME/BHS made it clear year after year they weren't going to create one so people looked elsewhere. Yes, some people took it too far. Everyone I know who used proxy was only using it either to bypass the spyware they forced on us or to not have ping issues they would have had otherwise.
  • BlueKoRBlueKoR ✭✭
    edited October 2018
    A action combat game like Tera would always be reliant on ping. the only reason proxy exists and is in this game is because the programming is not good and when people found that out alot of people began to exploit it. 100% Proxy shouldn't exist it shouldn't be aroun. in a competently programmed and made vidoe game there would be very few exploiters but tera is not competently programmed thus we hav ehti s issue with proxy users.
  • LolitaaLolitaa ✭✭✭
    You all knew proxies were against the TOS.
    yeah. does the law stop people dealing and using illegal drugs? murdering people? streaking in public?
    You proxy users are now on the same playing field as everybody else now.
    yeah. the same. as it should be. does that bother you? why? proxy should never have had to be made in the first place and you can thank bhs for that. :pray:
    You need to time your rotations better now (like everyone else and not have a proxy hold your hand)
    u mean perform without proxy? u actually think someone with high ping can achieve the same, all we have to do is time our rotation better? have you ever played at high latency? ever? ?? even if you don't care about your performance/dps, the delay between mashing ya damn keyboard and performing the skill will drive you n u t s.
  • here is the thing lolitaa. you can LEEEEAVE no ones forcing you to play the game "but i like the game!" okay then obey the rules. "but my ping sucks!" yeah well tough luck life ain't fair your ping sucks because of location its also because of connection services by Enmasse and Enmasse does not know how to program competently or rather BHS does not.
  • LolitaaLolitaa ✭✭✭
    edited October 2018
    BlueKoR wrote: »
    here is the thing lolitaa. you can LEEEEAVE no ones forcing you to play the game "but i like the game!" okay then obey the rules. "but my ping sucks!" yeah well tough luck life ain't fair your ping sucks because of location its also because of connection services by Enmasse and Enmasse does not know how to program competently or rather BHS does not.
    i can LEEEEAVE or i can "break the rules" to do something that merely affects other players (more like a benefit, so im not literal trash in endgame dungeons), and gives me an enjoyable playing experience.
    am i dealing with a child? because you're acting very much like a child who is all about following rules and regulations as if your life depended on it.
  • all and all matter falls on Bhs and enmasse fror their lack of programming skills. those of us with low ping can enjoy the game freely unhindered while those of you with high ping cannot but here's the thing thats never going to get fixed. never. proxy was invented to fix this issue but its breaking the terms of service you all signed when you agreed when you decided to play tera. there is no debate here the proxy is going away. people will leave the game will crash and burn and then it will probably eventually shutdown.
  • LolitaaLolitaa ✭✭✭
    BlueKoR wrote: »
    all and all matter falls on Bhs and enmasse fror their lack of programming skills. those of us with low ping can enjoy the game freely unhindered while those of you with high ping cannot but here's the thing thats never going to get fixed. never. proxy was invented to fix this issue but its breaking the terms of service you all signed when you agreed when you decided to play tera. there is no debate here the proxy is going away. people will leave the game will crash and burn and then it will probably eventually shutdown.

    basically,
    you think proxy is a good thing because of bhs's lack of coding knowledge, but because "GOD FORBID IT'S AGAINST TOS" you think it should never happen. right.
  • BlueKoRBlueKoR ✭✭
    edited October 2018
    no you're not dealing with a child you're dealing with a adult who is saying "TERMS OF SERVICES YOU AGREED TO." if you don't agree with the terms quit the game and leave. delete your characters bye. and yeah this is probably going to damage Tera big time.. or it will fix it there will still be those with decent enough ping to play the game who won't give a [filtered] and keep spending money on it till it dies. either way*shrugs.
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