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Can we remove 412 dugens or Guardian gear, Set Twist as default low tier one

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  • Nopi wrote: »
    Guess they now want 4 tier sets. But if they follow their own thread, eventually Guardian will disappear. But by then, the whole configuration of the game will make the next gear set as low tier as guardian is.

    We all have many ideas onto how to train newbies when they reach 65 and start with the dungeon grind. I used to call for real training dungeons that actually explained the mechs. But now I don't think that's a good idea because people don't read anyway. My new vision would be to make low tier dungeons harder, or at least bring in wipes for not following mechs. Make everything after 65 be worthy of being called "end game".

    I understand the gear progression but the damage is terrible, they say you that you can complete a 431 just with twist +0 and is fake a full 431 will be wiped no matter what.
    Since gear progression was implemented, I don’t remember that low tiers gears were so useless.

    But they used to remove it. In the name of progress now we are keeping them wasting our resources and limit new players progression . If AO is liberated next near full and add a new whole set. But we still keeping guardian gear in order of keep the pay to win ilv for dugens. Things won’t be good at last. That’s why I ask for the removal
  • CornishRexCornishRex ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gatokatzen wrote: »
    I understand the gear progression but the damage is terrible, they say you that you can complete a 431 just with twist +0 and is fake a full 431 will be wiped no matter what.
    That's not true at all???? 431s are hella easy even with a complete party in twist 0. It might take long because people aren't familiar with their classes but it certainly is not a wipe "no matter what".
  • CornishRex wrote: »
    Gatokatzen wrote: »
    I understand the gear progression but the damage is terrible, they say you that you can complete a 431 just with twist +0 and is fake a full 431 will be wiped no matter what.
    That's not true at all???? 431s are hella easy even with a complete party in twist 0. It might take long because people aren't familiar with their classes but it certainly is not a wipe "no matter what".

    As a witness carry 431 twist 0 as healer or dps believe me the amount of wipes is amazing. People can’t beat first money of thaumetal , Kalivan nightmare, becomes a real nightmare on first boss or last boss.

    Liliths keep first boss have destroyed tons of 431 parties before start.

    You need at least +5 twist full to dare a 431 as DPS gear damage is also zero before that. If any CM really play this game they will know how useless becomes guardian and twist-5 gears.
  • ItzMiraiItzMirai Portugal ✭✭✭
    edited October 2018
    ^ that's all about people's competence not gear though? You can have a full party in HO and still wipe because you just yolo things. Take the puddles from the last boss from TRN as an example.
  • NahevNahev ✭✭
    edited October 2018
    Gatokatzen wrote: »
    CornishRex wrote: »
    Gatokatzen wrote: »
    I understand the gear progression but the damage is terrible, they say you that you can complete a 431 just with twist +0 and is fake a full 431 will be wiped no matter what.
    That's not true at all???? 431s are hella easy even with a complete party in twist 0. It might take long because people aren't familiar with their classes but it certainly is not a wipe "no matter what".

    As a witness carry 431 twist 0 as healer or dps believe me the amount of wipes is amazing. People can’t beat first money of thaumetal , Kalivan nightmare, becomes a real nightmare on first boss or last boss.

    Liliths keep first boss have destroyed tons of 431 parties before start.

    You need at least +5 twist full to dare a 431 as DPS gear damage is also zero before that. If any CM really play this game they will know how useless becomes guardian and twist-5 gears.

    You can do it if the party knows the dungeon mechanics, almost any 431 boss can kill a full +9 stormcry if is a brainless facetank zombie.
  • ItzMirai wrote: »
    ^ that's all about people's competence not gear though? You can have a full party in HO and still wipe because you just yolo things. Take the puddles from the last boss from TRN as an example.

    That’s my favorite one xd. Tau las boss , He wipe everybody and rage start,tank blame dps for being low. DPS blame tank for being slow. Then all of them blames healer for let them die xd.

  • SageWinduSageWindu High Seat of the Jedi Council ✭✭✭✭✭
    Something else that could be done is to have obnoxious messages pop up when the boss does certain attacks (like the messages about the gunpowder barrels or the targeted leap in KD).

    If a difficulty system is ever put in, make a "Practice" or "Easy" mode and throw those in there. The higher levels don't have the messages and the boss even gets some new attacks/attack properties.

    Building blocks and such.
  • SageWindu wrote: »
    Something else that could be done is to have obnoxious messages pop up when the boss does certain attacks (like the messages about the gunpowder barrels or the targeted leap in KD).

    If a difficulty system is ever put in, make a "Practice" or "Easy" mode and throw those in there. The higher levels don't have the messages and the boss even gets some new attacks/attack properties.

    Building blocks and such.

    That’s also depend of lag you can be brave and evade but even if you success, you die after lag spike hit you .

    I bet they can fix that by liberating boss mechanics forever and let bosses as monster hunter ones

  • ElinLoveElinLove ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gatokatzen wrote: »
    ItzMirai wrote: »
    ^ that's all about people's competence not gear though? You can have a full party in HO and still wipe because you just yolo things. Take the puddles from the last boss from TRN as an example.

    That’s my favorite one xd. Tau las boss , He wipe everybody and rage start,tank blame dps for being low. DPS blame tank for being slow. Then all of them blames healer for let them die xd.

    Been there, felt that... Quite classic, but at least I was lucky to find some nice parties on my 1st runs to learn it up. Like I've said quite some time before, I always start it up with will to learn and telling it right away, plus at least enough understanding of my class and basic avoiding, and knowing my timings and delays.

    The funniest of all blame game players was a tank in LKNM (Yes, Lilith's A$$ NORMAL mode) that I ran with on like my ~30th run or what was it that kept face tanking everything. And I do mean no blocks whatsoever or blocking the unblockable. And then on 2nd boss "Takeda I don't think we'll be able to do the 3rd boss, your heals aren't strong enough"
    Dang that was the laugh of the day. I just didn't type it out on chat and let that ego live to avoid any stupid tantrums, of course we cleared last boss as well (and after tank left someone was also laughing loud on party chat about that tank's big ego)
    Nahev wrote: »
    Gatokatzen wrote: »
    CornishRex wrote: »
    Gatokatzen wrote: »
    I understand the gear progression but the damage is terrible, they say you that you can complete a 431 just with twist +0 and is fake a full 431 will be wiped no matter what.
    That's not true at all???? 431s are hella easy even with a complete party in twist 0. It might take long because people aren't familiar with their classes but it certainly is not a wipe "no matter what".

    As a witness carry 431 twist 0 as healer or dps believe me the amount of wipes is amazing. People can’t beat first money of thaumetal , Kalivan nightmare, becomes a real nightmare on first boss or last boss.

    Liliths keep first boss have destroyed tons of 431 parties before start.

    You need at least +5 twist full to dare a 431 as DPS gear damage is also zero before that. If any CM really play this game they will know how useless becomes guardian and twist-5 gears.

    You can do it if the party knows the dungeon mechanics, almost any 431 boss can kill a full +9 stormcry if is a brainless facetank zombie.

    And you reminded me of Akeron's Inferno: the fire corridor was the strongest boss of all times


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    Been there, felt that... Quite classic, but at least I was lucky to find some nice parties on my 1st runs to learn it up. Like I've said quite some time before, I always start it up with will to learn and telling it right away, plus at least enough understanding of my class and basic avoiding, and knowing my timings and delays.

    The funniest of all blame game players was a tank in LKNM (Yes, Lilith's A$$ NORMAL mode) that I ran with on like my ~30th run or what was it that kept face tanking everything. And I do mean no blocks whatsoever or blocking the unblockable. And then on 2nd boss "Takeda I don't think we'll be able to do the 3rd boss, your heals aren't strong enough"
    Dang that was the laugh of the day. I just didn't type it out on chat and let that ego live to avoid any stupid tantrums, of course we cleared last boss as well (and after tank left someone was also laughing loud on party chat about that tank's big ego)

    I’ve Tanked liliths keep normal as priest as sorcerer, as mystic, as archer, as gunner is epic one to be wiped xd. Specially second boss and is poison pools
  • RinHoshizoraRinHoshizora ✭✭
    edited October 2018
    > @Gatokatzen said:
    > As a witness carry 431 twist 0 as healer or dps believe me the amount of wipes is amazing. People can’t beat first money of thaumetal , Kalivan nightmare, becomes a real nightmare on first boss or last boss.

    I think it's literally just you.

    I can tell you that right now I don't remember the last time I let a 431 wipe as a healer. There are absolutely no dps checks. Even at TRNM last boss where the mob turns purple, I always make sure I am topped off and position myself at a safe distance from boss attacks. And of course pop a ToL or Divine respite if that's available.

    The only reason why you would wipe a 431 besides fking around yoloing is that your party is incompetent, while you, as the healer, is also not competent enough to carry them through it.
  • > @Gatokatzen said:
    > As a witness carry 431 twist 0 as healer or dps believe me the amount of wipes is amazing. People can’t beat first money of thaumetal , Kalivan nightmare, becomes a real nightmare on first boss or last boss.

    I think it's literally just you.

    I can tell you that right now I don't remember the last time I let a 431 wipe as a healer. There are absolutely no dps checks. Even at TRNM last boss where the mob turns purple, I always make sure I am topped off and position myself at a safe distance from boss attacks. And of course pop a ToL or Divine respite if that's available.

    The only reason why you would wipe a 431 besides fking around yoloing is that your party is incompetent, while you, as the healer, is also not competent enough to carry them through it.

    Not really,a wipe for a healer is when all the party die and you have to resurrect them over and over till dugen be completed.

    There is a big difference, I am witness cause I stay with the party till end , and complete the goal. Even it spend a lot of time.

    Other players are terrible they left the party cause if the dugen isn’t it 30 min or less is too much for them. I can name lancers brawlers healers and tons of DPS that run away if the dugen don’t have Stormcrys or good DPS. Even bad parties can be saved for a good healer. But as DPS if healer dies 15 times in a row is impossible.
  • ElinLoveElinLove ✭✭✭✭✭
    > Gatokatzen said:
    > As a witness carry 431 twist 0 as healer or dps believe me the amount of wipes is amazing. People can’t beat first money of thaumetal , Kalivan nightmare, becomes a real nightmare on first boss or last boss.

    I think it's literally just you.

    I can tell you that right now I don't remember the last time I let a 431 wipe as a healer. There are absolutely no dps checks. Even at TRNM last boss where the mob turns purple, I always make sure I am topped off and position myself at a safe distance from boss attacks. And of course pop a ToL or Divine respite if that's available.

    The only reason why you would wipe a 431 besides fking around yoloing is that your party is incompetent, while you, as the healer, is also not competent enough to carry them through it.

    It's not about letting a party wipe, it's about all the others being amazingly stupid and eating damage all at once on an amazing rate, each of them to one of the corners of the map as far as possible from you, and then screaming "HEAL HEAL" when they just took that 50% hit and already were low to begin with, given the above mentioned. It ain't that easy to do 4 resses with aggro on you after all (ye I always res tank or worst case the best player I know that won't die easily... not always available).

    You can never underestimate stupidity.
  • SageWinduSageWindu High Seat of the Jedi Council ✭✭✭✭✭
    ElinLove wrote: »
    You can never underestimate stupidity.

    As some old guy in the past once said, probably:
    Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about th’universe!

    My favorite is when someone begs you to heal while they're still standing in whatever hazard is eating their health. Then you Intervention them out and now they're upset that you f**ked up their DPS totals.

    Like, all right, bet. Next time I'll make sure to leave you in the pool of acid/fire/hot wax/whatever and we'll see how you like that.
  • NahevNahev ✭✭
    edited October 2018
    ElinLove wrote: »
    Nahev wrote: »
    You can do it if the party knows the dungeon mechanics, almost any 431 boss can kill a full +9 stormcry if is a brainless facetank zombie.

    And you reminded me of Akeron's Inferno: the fire corridor was the strongest boss of all times

    I have funny memories trying to keep alive full +12 Schisma people in that's corridor, apparently against its will...

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