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Can we remove 412 dugens or Guardian gear, Set Twist as default low tier one

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  • FurhyanFurhyan ✭✭
    So you want to put learning players straight up to LKNM, TRNM and KD? Like, sure they are easy runs but then you get people screaming at everyone because they are new and in learning. Way to make then feel welcome to the endgame. It's easier to [filtered] up in 412 than superior dungeons.

    They are also part of a story quest as an introduction to endgame content and what is to expect. And tbh? Guardian to Twisthard can be done in one day so why is it even a problem.
  • TankyHealerTankyHealer ✭✭✭
    ElinLove wrote: »
    It's not about letting a party wipe, it's about all the others being amazingly stupid and eating damage all at once on an amazing rate, each of them to one of the corners of the map as far as possible from you, and then screaming "HEAL HEAL" when they just took that 50% hit and already were low to begin with, given the above mentioned. It ain't that easy to do 4 resses with aggro on you after all (ye I always res tank or worst case the best player I know that won't die easily... not always available).
    You can never underestimate stupidity.

    I don't know about other healers but I know for a fact I have some serious god complex. If I'm in the mood to hardcore carry I will and I can. As long as I don't die, it's not a wipe yet. My rule is that as long as you do more damage than I can do, then it's not a waste of my mana to resurrect you. Also a meter is important, to see who is worth my rez more.

    By the way, pulling off a rez while having aggro isn't that difficult. But that is given that I am stupidly overgeared.

    Nahev wrote: »
    I have funny memories trying to keep alive full +12 Schisma people in that's corridor, apparently against its will...

    I've had this amazing VSH run back in the days where literally everyone couldn't stop dying at Lakan. That was back when resurrection isn't nerfed to garbage like right now, I remember being so glad that I can sleep Lakan after ring, pop a brooch and rootbeer, rez literally the entire party back up.
  • GatokatzenGatokatzen ✭✭✭
    Furhyan wrote: »
    So you want to put learning players straight up to LKNM, TRNM and KD? Like, sure they are easy runs but then you get people screaming at everyone because they are new and in learning. Way to make then feel welcome to the endgame. It's easier to [filtered] up in 412 than superior dungeons.

    They are also part of a story quest as an introduction to endgame content and what is to expect. And tbh? Guardian to Twisthard can be done in one day so why is it even a problem.

    Did anyone learn something playing KC RG or SF xd if that were true why there are so many wipes in 431 Better let people start at 431.
  • ElinLoveElinLove ✭✭✭✭✭
    TankyHealer wrote: »
    ElinLove wrote: »
    It's not about letting a party wipe, it's about all the others being amazingly stupid and eating damage all at once on an amazing rate, each of them to one of the corners of the map as far as possible from you, and then screaming "HEAL HEAL" when they just took that 50% hit and already were low to begin with, given the above mentioned. It ain't that easy to do 4 resses with aggro on you after all (ye I always res tank or worst case the best player I know that won't die easily... not always available).
    You can never underestimate stupidity.

    I don't know about other healers but I know for a fact I have some serious god complex. If I'm in the mood to hardcore carry I will and I can. As long as I don't die, it's not a wipe yet. My rule is that as long as you do more damage than I can do, then it's not a waste of my mana to resurrect you. Also a meter is important, to see who is worth my rez more.

    By the way, pulling off a rez while having aggro isn't that difficult. But that is given that I am stupidly overgeared.

    Nahev wrote: »
    I have funny memories trying to keep alive full +12 Schisma people in that's corridor, apparently against its will...

    I've had this amazing VSH run back in the days where literally everyone couldn't stop dying at Lakan. That was back when resurrection isn't nerfed to garbage like right now, I remember being so glad that I can sleep Lakan after ring, pop a brooch and rootbeer, rez literally the entire party back up.

    Oh I try it, believe me when I say that making the trashiest runs an Extreme Mode is one of the most fun parts of this game for me. Sometimes tho, it's a tad on the mathematical impossibility on some dungeons to do it.
    Like right before some specific mechanics and such, or when people die on all corners, you name it. TSNM was THE dungeon to screw up mechanics and make it pretty close to mathematical impossibility to carry, I did pull some amazing carries on that but some others just took it too far to manage, like people all dead on the spheres on 2nd boss yep, forum blocks plural of ball, you either keep running back and forth for minutes until the debuff thing goes out (yeah you sorta can ress and run then pull sometimes but there are guys that die like, on the corner of the map), or you let it wipe. Granted, it was crazier when you actually had to do the 3 rings properly (or was it always possible to do one only?). Heck even the 3 spheres room people managed to do crazy crap.

    Also I'm usually just mid-tier gear anyway (if not a tad on the just non-crap enough to enter) so there's that, but sure it's crazy and fun when you manage to carry it....not all times tho
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