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Can you please stop with this kind of attitude? As if nothing should be changed and this should be the end when there is still room for improvement? And what other regions? EU that bans proxies? KR/JP that do not need or care about it? RU? Which region? NA is the best region for the devs and especially since En Masse is looking to be more friendly with their work.
I am not going to defend En Masse and especially since this time they tried to cover a gunshot wound with a bandage as someone said and act as if the massively bleeding wound would magically heal and disappear by itself over time ( some sort of little witch academia ). But still.. at least they learned from this since the wound affected them as well and they are looking to improve and move on with the scar ( hopefully, they have something on the short term until better fixes come over time ).
Also, if they devs are acting as you describe them ( maybe we should let them share their own perspective sometimes? ) then at least from my point of view they are just a bunch of children that believe that they woke up with super powers over the night and they throw a tantrum whenever things do not go their way ( of course, this point of view might be just ignorant and at least me or even the two of us might be the fools acting like we know so much.. though some devs still created and shared some tools that should never existed and they should know that it was a mistake that should not be allowed anymore ).
The question arises: How mature and how intelligent are the devs after all? Especially when dealing with such a complicated and fragile situation like this? I guess that we will find out in the future...
p.s. the players are indeed fed up but then again the players simply want a way to be able to continue playing the game in a "playable" fashion
p.p.s. there are a ton of players doing guardian legions/island of down which are not linked to LFG and the demand at broker went up for certain materials for enchanting so the game is not entirely a ghost town
From my personal experience, they are actually very mature about this entire situation. Can you imagine how frustrated you'd be if you tried to report game-breaking bugs and exploits for years, invest a lot of your time and skills to improve the game for free, and instead of getting at least a "thank you" and seeing them fix the issues at hand, you get banned, publicly defamed as malicious hackers, and taken legal action against? After all they've been through, I can totally understand that they're upset and simply done with EME. Furthermore, reaching out to the third-party developers NOW, after facing massive public backlash, seems to be insincere and kind of a last resort to improve their public image to me.
By the way, you should join their Discord servers and see for yourself. As for "maybe we should let them share their own perspective sometimes?", they do share their opinion very often, it's just that pretty much any post on the forums linking to that or quoting them was deleted by EME in the past. You can find one of the most respected developer's point of view on the recent developments here (he is one of the developers impacted by the DMCA takedowns and was contacted by an EME employee a day before their official statement).
Being very mature means to be able to go through the frustration and know/understand that finding a solution and solving the issue is much more important than throwing a tantrum about frustration ( at least from my point of view ).
Anyway, as i said i will not defend EME because they could tackle everything from the start in a much more friendly, careful and creative way ( for the record.. i am upset seeing so many friends disappearing from the game and not willing to come back making me to feel so much anger and confusion when everything could have been avoided from the start and we could all enjoy the future patches in a different way ).. But if the devs are unable to show some better qualities when having to take a tough decision in a delicate situation then isn't this like having the same coin with different faces regardless of who is on which side and who is right or wrong?
p.s. maybe it will get solved eventually and we will be able to move on..
If they wanted to be childish, they could take down the servers, publicize a bunch of game-breaking exploits. Instead they just stopped supporting NA to avoid further harassments from EME.
The only children is EME who doesn't know the consequences of their actions. Now they realized it, came running to the devs with tail between their legs. But it is probably too late now.
I've only seen Caali's response to this, when asked to officially work for EME. And to me that wasn't throwing a tantrum at all, but instead he was very polite in chat with Brian. He even pointed out that all the 3rd party devs work was open source, so BHS could easily work on implementing this stuff themselves (or I guess hire anyone else capable of doing so).
As has been pointed out: 3rd party devs input got ignored for years, and instead they got publicly demonized by EME, eventually culminating in legal action against them. Everyone has their breaking point; repeatedly being called out for being the "bad gyus" in public wasn't it, but having legal action (false DMCA claims) issued against them was.
And I for one can understand this. I'd also think twice about working for someone who had the law come knock on my door and threaten me with legal consequences just mere weeks before. How would anyone be able to trust such a person?
Speechless.
By the way, i am really sorry but playing Tera for six years is not really impressive or at least not to me because i am also playing actively since VM2 when we used to dual account for Nexus or sell quills from MCHM until the quills became tradeable and started to drop from RG ( also, the alliance had the vanarch system where the exarch had to be voted which was long before the assault aura drama and also sirjuka gallery was a thing at that time ).
And you know what? The game was much more clean back then with PvP actually being PvP and the PvE actually being PvE ( nobody used macros/proxies/exploits/whatever until Lucid patch and the 30v30 GvGs at Kanstria above anything were exceptional ). Then only sometimes later around the Lucid patch things started to take a weird turn and especially with some lancers at 3v3 ..
and you still don't get what they saying well good for you then it did happen to you so you won't understand your just salty cause your friends are leaving and your lonely now. So as an example if your spouse were to cheat on on multiple occasion you will just turn a blind eye to that?
Salty? I am just amazed and upset when i see human beings in the 21st century not being able to genuinely tolerate each other and work together for the greater good ( and i am not gaining or losing anything special because i can always go and play with 50ms on EU since in am from Spain but i still have some hope left for NA ).
Anyway, this does not matter anymore and especially since at this rate the thread will be closed.
p.s. fortunately, i never used the proxy tool because it was too shady from my perspective and now it cannot hinder me whatsoever
They tolerated them for six years and this year this mess came the DMCA 6 years six years you sound like the perfect human being well good for you you will tolerate some slapping you for six years props to you man props to you.
I don't think hes anywhere near the concept of a "perfect being" in fact i think he shows an extreme lack of empathy for the 3rd party devs (almost sociopath especially with the concerning appeal of "greater good" he is employing however I can not assert that with any degree of authority).
Actually I don't really understand his position. Say for example he IS asserting that the 3rd party devs just lets the history slide and work with eme to fix tera "for the greater good". How can they trust EME, who has show repeatedly that they refused to work for the "greater good" of tera by firstly ignoring the 3rd parties bug reports,ignoring the 3rd party attempts of communications, using legal actions maliciously AGAINST the 3rd party action, try to censor the rest of the community about the matter WHILE crucially doing little to nothing on thier end to fix it.
Any way you look at it from the perspective of just work with eme for the greater good of TERA there is NO guarantee that EME the party he wants the 3rd party dev to work with have the greater good of TERA in mind. Certainly not by their past actions on the matter.
Also, you are wrong about something so at the very least please get some facts straight ( since when are you playing Tera? ) because the game was fun and clean from at least VM2 when i started playing until the Lucid patch when all of a sudden some certain players/classes started to use the tools made by the devs to have the edge at 3v3 skyring arena ( actually, if i remember correctly there were also some players back in the days using these tools to get the Smolder mount from "that" dungeon practically doing at that time what they are doing now with pit of petrax always coming with the explanation that it is all about RNG ). And my point is that the game was fun and clean until some devs not only that started to teach others how to do a few things by making all sort of guides that they made public but they also created and shared some tools that could be used for exploiting. At the same time, we also have En Masse making mistakes as well and not dealing with this whole situation in a different way to avoid what happened for example with the proxy these days ( furthermore, to go back at the same devs and ask them for cooperation ).
To wrap this up: EME is not a saint but the devs are not saints either since both made a lot of mistakes over time and at least this time they could improve what they did not so far ( especially since this game still has some interesting patches to come ).
And i am happy that i did not touch the proxy and now it has no power over my decision. At the very same time, i can always go where my friends went and start with Twistshard from scratch and a lovely 50ms with a supposedly better publisher but that means to lose at least three up to six months of progress that i have prepared for the Apex2/Gunner and also other friends that decided to be patient and wait just like i did so far ( better wait at least until the end of this month to see what will truly change then take a decision ).
We will have to see what will happen.
I'll apologize for bringing up the topic of sociopath (as I only have called out your adamant lack of empathy for the 3rd party devs which imo is a reasonable conclusion to draw considering your position and posts in this thread). I will also mention that I only stated that it was ALMOST sociopathic hence never actually called you one. There is also nothing inherently wrong with being one, it is just a term used to encompass specific traits. There is no reason to see this as an attack on your character that would lead to shutting the thread down. Which I'm sure you have thick enough skin to not let it bother you ( as any one should).
Since you were curious, I've been playing Tera on and off since a little before the game went f2p (while VM1 and MC was the hottest thing around). From my perspective the community then was great and there was significantly more meaningful interaction between eme and the community. between Treeshark Tonka and Minea there was an actual sense that the players were being heard.
That being said even from the beginning Tera was not without it's faults. The memory leaks from the UI, while not as pronounce back then was an ongoing issue where some players with lower spec computers would just have to deal with the occasional crashes or rebooting of tera. Back in luach there were even rumours that BHS may have "borrowed" code (to put things VERY lightly) from another project that they were originally working on but were let go of. Now to be clear to the best of my knowledge these were only rumors which were never verified through any reliable sources but were only speculations in large part due to significant bugs like the UI memory leak rarely seeing a proper fix.
That isn't to say I never enjoyed my time here. IMO How Tera started to fall is layered and due to a number of factors. The 3rd party abuse and memeslash fiasco were among them. There was also the cutting of content that became common place around the time alliances were introduced, with few recieving reworks. Recycled Content became a steady issue as time went on (which started rumours that the current team at BHS has no one from the original team that initially worked on tera). Let's also not forget the out cry about elin favourtism. Theres also the poor presentation of information on thier front page (which in the past used to be very informative for example new loot boxes? here are the drops, heres what they look like on all races. WHat we have now is just an announcement with a link to a forum post with little to no information)
Now to be clear not everything here is not EME's fault. This is just to explain where how and why I believe Tera started to fail as a game. Which ultimately is a number of failures on many fronts, causing issue with different pockets of the community (casual, PvE, PvP, RP, 3v3, gvg etc).
As for your second paragraph I don't see where I could be wrong (feel free to correct me here) as I never said anything about the game rather I only tried to piece together what appeared to be your position on what the 3rd party dev should be doing. To which I raised a concern about your appeal to "the greater good" of the game, by pointing out that you appeared to assert that it is ultimately the 3rd party dev's failure, while I believe that in this case they are justified in refusing to work with EME.
I never bothered with the 3rd party software either as by the time they became a topic of concern I had been playing much more casually, So I can't say that I have any bias towards who ever the 3rd party devs are. I don't see how the use or lack of use of the 3rd party software has any bearings on the current situation we find EME and the 3rd party devs in. Even as non users the fact that it exists while EME were adamant about never speaking about it untill the current situation should raise concerns about their willingness to work on Tera's greater good fro m a prior history of actions point of view.