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Guardian Missions getting nerfed?

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  • Yordan wrote: »
    DHEE5KW5FP wrote: »
    Yordan wrote: »
    Meningitis wrote: »
    This is to combat botting, I'd wager. Since botters have their character sit in the same area, do the same mission, and repeat over and over again.

    What imaginary botting do you mean exactly, theres zero bots in NA and EU other than some chat spammers.

    For me intent here is simple, they want you to earn boxes at slower rate and thats exactly what will happen if you do guardian mission in 5 min and instead of changing channel and doing it again ur forced to go and do the crab or basilisk.

    Oh honey what rock are you living under? There are plenty of Bots out there that you can pay for including some Bots that make your characters auto attack mobs within a certain range that you set. Meaning you can afk in a Guardian zone and your character will still attack within that range. There are plenty of other bots out there tons of them actually so not sure why you'd think it was just chat spammers. Seems like you are the one living in fantasy land.

    Oh sweetie, i think you've been watching too much fox news recently which would explain imaginary conspiracy theories. If there are "plenty" and "tones" of bots out there, how come theres none in said guardian missions ? In both EU and NA i've seen none during last year, neither did anyone I know. Actually last time i've seen any was in that colour guardian mission ages ago, which i think was reason why they removed that minigame in EU. But guess what, dmg debuff wouldn't do anything to that anyway, surprising I know.

    So the reason why i KNOW not "think" this is not an issue is because i'm actively doing said misssions wihout encountering armies of auto attacking bots. But hey if theres so many then I'm sure you wont have any issues providing evidence of thousands accounts botting there, one trip there should be enough to handle that for you right ? Mkay sweetie, i'm waiting. One more thing, if theres so many and they are so sophisticated then im sure it would be virtually impossible for them to just...oh I don't know....warp between different missions ? Yea, that's the reason they did it for sure. Not to slow down box gain for everyone. Now go back to watching tv cupcake.

    I cannot communicate with someone as dense as you are and I doubt you do as many guardians per day as I actually do but hey I get that you're a little mentally stunted. And as for my proof? Look at all the people who left over Proxy getting banned. I guess I could also bring up videos of the meme slash as well, but then you are probably a noob who wasn't here for all that.

    No one bots in tera though:






    Oh and seeing how you say no one bots in Tera EU:


    But hey what would I possibly know right? Oh, and welcome to my block list I have no time to sit and argue with people who really have no idea wtf they are talking about. Buh bye.
  • CornishRexCornishRex ✭✭✭✭✭
    @DHEE5KW5FP
    How is anything in those videos related to botting?
  • CornishRex wrote: »
    @DHEE5KW5FP
    How is anything in those videos related to botting?

    Are you really not cable of watching them. I feel it's absolutely pointless to keep discussing bots and hacks ( Even when video titles straight up say Tera Bot...I mean It's kind of fcking obvious at that point)

    You can literally hand a player a red pen and say " This is red" and that person will sit there and argue that it's blue. Absolutely pointless.
  • SageWinduSageWindu High Seat of the Jedi Council ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm with @CornishRex . Blatant hacking, no dispute about that. But those videos don't show (or say, actually) anything about botting, which I always figured was things like the infamous priest buffers you used to find here and there back when FI was a thing.

    Unless you're using the term "botting" synonymously with "hacking", in which case you may want to clarify that in the future.
  • CornishRexCornishRex ✭✭✭✭✭
    DHEE5KW5FP wrote: »
    CornishRex wrote: »
    @DHEE5KW5FP
    How is anything in those videos related to botting?

    Are you really not cable of watching them. I feel it's absolutely pointless to keep discussing bots and hacks ( Even when video titles straight up say Tera Bot...I mean It's kind of fcking obvious at that point)

    You can literally hand a player a red pen and say " This is red" and that person will sit there and argue that it's blue. Absolutely pointless.

    Do correct me if I'm wrong, but botting is supposed to be automated gameplay, no? None of these videos show the player making an advanced bot that does whole rotations and iframes perfectly and reacts to boss mechanics (which I've been told is possible in tera but very hard to do), instead they show one shot stuff and stuff like that. So you did show 0 proof to what the guy was asking of you.

    I've also gotta say, the only "obvious" bots I've seen so far were in tuwangi mire, and those bots were extremely simplistic. Also some bot in stepstone isle that was continuously pressing gunner basic attack to farm gold.
  • YordanYordan ✭✭✭
    DHEE5KW5FP wrote: »
    Yordan wrote: »
    DHEE5KW5FP wrote: »
    Yordan wrote: »
    Meningitis wrote: »
    This is to combat botting, I'd wager. Since botters have their character sit in the same area, do the same mission, and repeat over and over again.

    What imaginary botting do you mean exactly, theres zero bots in NA and EU other than some chat spammers.

    For me intent here is simple, they want you to earn boxes at slower rate and thats exactly what will happen if you do guardian mission in 5 min and instead of changing channel and doing it again ur forced to go and do the crab or basilisk.

    Oh honey what rock are you living under? There are plenty of Bots out there that you can pay for including some Bots that make your characters auto attack mobs within a certain range that you set. Meaning you can afk in a Guardian zone and your character will still attack within that range. There are plenty of other bots out there tons of them actually so not sure why you'd think it was just chat spammers. Seems like you are the one living in fantasy land.

    Oh sweetie, i think you've been watching too much fox news recently which would explain imaginary conspiracy theories. If there are "plenty" and "tones" of bots out there, how come theres none in said guardian missions ? In both EU and NA i've seen none during last year, neither did anyone I know. Actually last time i've seen any was in that colour guardian mission ages ago, which i think was reason why they removed that minigame in EU. But guess what, dmg debuff wouldn't do anything to that anyway, surprising I know.

    So the reason why i KNOW not "think" this is not an issue is because i'm actively doing said misssions wihout encountering armies of auto attacking bots. But hey if theres so many then I'm sure you wont have any issues providing evidence of thousands accounts botting there, one trip there should be enough to handle that for you right ? Mkay sweetie, i'm waiting. One more thing, if theres so many and they are so sophisticated then im sure it would be virtually impossible for them to just...oh I don't know....warp between different missions ? Yea, that's the reason they did it for sure. Not to slow down box gain for everyone. Now go back to watching tv cupcake.

    I cannot communicate with someone as dense as you are and I doubt you do as many guardians per day as I actually do but hey I get that you're a little mentally stunted. And as for my proof? Look at all the people who left over Proxy getting banned. I guess I could also bring up videos of the meme slash as well, but then you are probably a noob who wasn't here for all that.

    No one bots in tera though:






    Oh and seeing how you say no one bots in Tera EU:


    But hey what would I possibly know right? Oh, and welcome to my block list I have no time to sit and argue with people who really have no idea wtf they are talking about. Buh bye.

    So I asked you to go to guardian missions and record/screenshot all those "tones" of bots you spoke of and instead you posted some old memeslash video, random trainer thing full of dislikes so it was prolly a scam virus and video of someone producing gold with chat commands. I know that words are tough to read and understand but this is pure comedy.

    Way to lose an argument cupcake.
  • HLK76PFWXTHLK76PFWXT ✭✭✭
    edited November 2018
    CornishRex wrote: »
    How exactly does nerfing attack speed affect tuwangi bots? Don't all they have to do is walk?

    This is obviously meant to just [filtered] over legit players lmao
    As if bots can't go blue guardian -> green guardian -> blue guardian anyway.

    It is not attack speed but attack power which is worse and it seems that the first debuff applies after the first mission meaning that after five missions? ten missions? the debuff will be so gross that the players will have to either move to a new area or give up completely because of frustration. And moving to a new area means to wait for the NPCs to do their nonsensical talk for up to two minutes depending on the area while at the same time the new area most likely will not have a tank or even players around ( imagine 7 players going in 3 different directions to do guardians considering the struggle with the population as of late ) which will add even more frustration once again considering that the guardian bosses spin and jump so much to guess what.. avoid getting hit from behind which is so important in this game.

    So..

    x) Guardian Legion will have a nasty debuff and the few players that are doing it will probably scatter or give up completely

    x) Fraywind Canyon gets removed ( the new battleground will probably take longer to finish and thus give less rewards overall )

    x) Solo dungeons suck for rewards ( pit/ghillie/etc )

    x) Dungeons suck for rewards and there is no point to talk about it..

    x) Island of Dawn does not have 100% keen mote as it was supposed to have.. not like anyone loves that place anyway...

    x) Etc..


    And by the way, this is me failing on gloves spending 240k ( six fails with 40k each ) only to fail on the cheapest part of them all since weapon/chest are much more expensive.

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    I did not fail because i was unlucky but instead because my luck was mostly decided from the start ( trying with 24% chance to succeed from the start means to also try with 76% chance to fail with the balance being slightly changed with each try ).



    p.s. it is hard for me to understand why or how the game ended up getting harder and harder with the rewards being decreased while enchanting costs being increased
  • YordanYordan ✭✭✭
    edited November 2018
    p.s. it is hard for me to understand why or how the game ended up getting harder and harder with the rewards being decreased while enchanting costs being increased

    Basic things seem to be hard for you to understand but let me explain it with one word. Money.

    Also if you think that 240k is alot for six tries then you probably should stop playing now, that's a single try later on with lower chance. People are failing 10+ times with ho weapon enchants, go ahead and count how much gold that is. This change is meant to increase sales for p2w boxes and has nothing to do with imaginary bots that don't even farm guardian missions, outside of some rare tuwagi ones where dmg debuff does nothing anyway.

    As it stands you are already pretty much forced to buy mats for ho upgrading (talking about EU and KR servers here where trade chests exist), metal alone for a single try would require more than half mil of metas. They want it to be similar with diamonds.
  • HLK76PFWXTHLK76PFWXT ✭✭✭
    edited November 2018
    Yordan wrote: »
    p.s. it is hard for me to understand why or how the game ended up getting harder and harder with the rewards being decreased while enchanting costs being increased

    Basic things seem to be hard for you to understand but let me explain it with one word. Money.

    Also if you think that 240k is alot for six tries then you probably should stop playing now, that's a single try later on with lower chance. People are failing 10+ times with ho weapon enchants, go ahead and count how much gold that is. This change is meant to increase sales for p2w boxes and has nothing to do with imaginary bots that don't even farm guardian missions, outside of some rare tuwagi ones where dmg debuff does nothing anyway.

    As it stands you are already pretty much forced to buy mats for ho upgrading (talking about EU and KR servers here where trade chests exist), metal alone for a single try would require more than half mil of metas. They want it to be similar with diamonds.

    This is my chest piece where it takes 130k per try to go up to +0Heroic starting with a 22% chance at max Item XP.. or better said 78% chance to fail so better expect to fail a lot there..

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    Anyway, i am just going to chill and sit back at +9Stormcry for a while.

    p.s. i am usually seeing enough players that i can count on my fingers at guardians and now even this content gets nerfed
  • CornishRexCornishRex ✭✭✭✭✭
    Soooo
    this nerf didn't really happen on EU? What about NA? I noticed bams hp got a lot bigger, but I can still do the bastion one twice without getting any sort of nerf.
  • HLK76PFWXTHLK76PFWXT ✭✭✭
    edited November 2018
    I did not notice anything visible at the guardian legions but it sucks anyway for healers/tanks because they are hybrid classes and they cannot due to how the talent system is made to use different templates for different situations meaning that a lot of healers/tanks will be not really happy to know that they have to play with handicap over handicap ( if there is a glitch and the debuff to attack power will be fixed at guardians while the tank/healers will not be able to use offensive/defensive builds at will with the talent system then some classes will have a nasty handicap when doing guardian legion in the future and it sucks to know this when trying to make progress ). And if there are no healers/tanks at guardians then it will be pretty ugly for dps classes considering that the dps classes will miss at least 20% debuff endurance on bosses while the same bosses will rotate and jump like they always do to deny back damage..

    Anyway, the price on elite 30days went up from 160k up to 220k while battlegrounds do not seem as active as some weeks ago and where are not even at the turning points where players with 200 talent points will have this kind of advantage over new/returning or casual players since some talents are pretty broken at max level while on top of it some other players if not the same will have Heroic Oath +2 or higher which is so overpowered in comparison to +9SC..

    The future looks fun..



    And it is sad to see that only EU has this for PvE:

    The effect of the Combat Accelerator Potion has been changed:

    Increases your skill damage by 12.5% for 30 minutes
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