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@Nuvolebianche I don't think you understand Iron Will. It doesn't block "80k damage" in reality. In a bg like eq skyring, for example, you can't build endurance because it's not your gear. However, you can do this in team 3s. Lancer has really low endurance in the first place, so they're not really tanky. You said you play warrior, right? So let's say a lancer just popped iron will while fighting a warrior. Since Iron will gives no stagger/kd immunity, this warrior can go to town on the lancer with it's superior CC abilities. You can stun lock the lancer, you can out stagger the lancer, and then poof; iron will is gone. Spring attack glyph is still 30% chance to land the atk speed reduc. It's not guaranteed you will slow them. And besides, the atk speed reduc doesn't last long enough to cripple the opponent for too long.
@Yuri I don't really have experience testing out the new backstep to its full extent. I might come back to the game and try it out before making a decision. I agree that dodging things in a row is easier now, but you'd have less resolve to block after you do backstep. Overall I can't really decide if its a buff or a nerf because it could go either way.
That said, my Lancer last patch would hit 10k white damage with Wallop, it was rare to crit despite actually have a large amount of crit rate at one point and attacking from behind most of the time. A Mystics poison now does a base damage when it hits based off your stats before going into the DoT (IIRC) and the DoT crits very often for up to over 7k. Compared to a Lancers best skill, like this is pretty good, then you have 2 thralls at once out, and you reduce their endurance by 14%, pretty high TBH. You also have to remember that most Mystics don't play for the damage, Players playing poorly is not a reflection of the classes full potential, now normally I don't care about the maximum I care about the minimum, but here I will say Mystics do nearly as much damage as Lancers with their healing builds and mana crystals, they could very well do more if they played differently. Mystic CAN out damage Lancer. They just don't want to, most players are PvE'rs and even the PvPers most of them want to be a healer not a PvP DPS. So yes, often times a Lancer might out DPS a Mystic by a small amount in PvP, but that does not mean they are a stronger class. Mystic is the better PvP damage.
Honestly Sychi, enough with this crap please, WE AGREE ON ALMOST EVERYTHING, you just don't like to admit it, everything you say, I've said before you at some time or another. It's like I say it, people think I'm trolling, but you agree so you convey in a slightly different way and then say it somewhere else more where it is more relevant.
Lancers Wallop doesn't crit enough - I say it, you say
Lancers have overall lower damage than the other classes, which ends up being really atrocious since HP pools are so high now
I don't wanna list the rest, I can barely remember quotes and I don't wanna go digging up the thread from the old forums in VoT section. That said, we complain about the same stuff, I just complain about it more to the point that people get sick of hearing me. You may not like me, and so you may not want to admit it, but we agree Lancers suck. It's not that the class can't win, a skilled player can win with anything, you spent a lot of time trying to hammer that ideal into my head Skill > Class > Gear, and to an extent I even agree with you there, but Lancer sucks, it's on the lower end of things and even though someone as mechanically proficient as you may be able to have success with such an [filtered] class, it's still a [filtered] class in need of buffs. Oh, and leash needs to be fixed right? Thanks for bringing that to my attention, I was always so focused on how bad the crit/damage - skill requirement was that I never really got to complain about how stupid it is that leash is resistible, but you were already on it.
And poison damage is very low, even with the change to having initial damage.
The metamorphic skills do very little damage in PvP, also.
Sure, I could make a DPS build for PvP, and do a little more damage.....if I wanted to suck!! Why would you even bring this point up?!
I think brawlers OPness has your expectations all out of whack. Before that broken class was introduced, Lancers were known for having good damage in PvP for a tank class! A TANK class, not a DPS class...
Lancers were never known for good damage, it was good CC and they just had enough damage, their damage has never changed you still get 40k max wallops and all the rest of the abilities tickle. The thing is, back when we all had 50-80k hp, it didn't matter that your damage was low, a skilled Lancer would combo you once and get you below hp, then they'd pressure you until they could do another combo and kill you. Now that everyone has 150-200k hp and Lancer does the same damage, these 50-60k at best combos just aren't enoughnot to mention if you don't which is often, you do like 20-30k, That's a single Slayer crit on any move.
The reason I brought up DPS Mystics is because they are better, I could have said "Lancer has the lowest damage of all non healer classes, but why shouldn't healers count? They CAN build for PvP DPS, yea maybe they shouldn't in your opinion but they can and if they did, Mystic would be stronger than Lancer.
Are you high?
Or just trying to sound like an experienced PvPer?
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'Class still feels powerful regardless of it being 1v1 or 50v50. Ofc I don't really care for PVP much anymore because no MMORPG will ever do it right. If I want PVP these days, I play a Fighting Game, or a MOBA, or a FPS, or something that is more or less pure PVP.
Did you seriously just tell me that I'm trying to sound like an experienced PvPer and then link me a Flowroro video? I cannot think of a bigger fake that this [filtered]. Like when I think of people trying to sound like they know [filtered] about PvP Flowroro is the first thought that comes to mind. I mean you could argue Kilryan is simular but Kilryan doesn't seem to have an ego like this, he seems more like me where he knows what he knows and understands he's not top of the chain, but wants to still help others get to where he is to increase the overall competition of the game.
Flowroro is just some scrub who is decent at talking like he knows stuff, he probably still follows guides and tells others stuff using terms or ideas from guides that he himself doesn't understand. He's basically a step up from an EME employee. He's a joke.
But okay the video, IIRC I seen this when it actually happened, this was around VM3 or VM4? People had still less than 100k hp most of the time right? I'm pretty sure that person the Lancer did about 60% hp to, likely had around 80k max hp, and that was probably the highlight of their Lancer life. It's not something that happens often unless you massively out gear your opponent.
Metamorphic Smite may do awesome damage against BAMs, but in PvP it's mere peanuts! (I know, because I use it religiously, because the KD is awesome.)
And our poison does 7k on a crit? Wao!! DPSSSSSS!
classic
Also, lancers were extremely strong during bloodrave... you literally could get 1 combod by leash bash spring debil wallop if wallop crit. Bloodrave weapon for lancer was just too advanced for its time. BR lance did almost the same amount as the VM2 lance