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Actually? A sale could be the answer. They could make items purchaseable with gold, but have an extreme conversion rate. so if an item is represented with emp, 1:100 could be manipulated to 1:500 or 1000. There are also equivalent level "gold sinks" that games use as well.. perhaps learning how to implement one would be intelligent. Buying fashion coupons for gold could also be an option as that seriously wouldn't negatively effect the economy (people could start getting dyes more regularly). Perhaps something of that nature?
In that case it's basically the same as the sales tax that already actually exists on buy-it-now. I still say just remove all listing taxes and tax sales only (including a small service fee on negotiation if they want). Most important thing is to encourage people to actually list things since that encourages trade and competition.
Just asking for a sale, because it has been a long time. No need to have tantrums over it and make up reasons why stuff is selling so fast that there isn't much left to buy anymore. If you're too cheap to pay a little 2% fee (I am elite now and happy to pay the 2% over the 5% I was paying) then you're stuff is most likely priced higher than I want to pay anyways. Sure, some people that didn't get their way and some others may not list due to the fees, but stuff is being listed and selling like crazy. However, the store really isn't being turned over as it should be. They pulled out a lot of items and are just adding new items while leaving the old items out of reach. You know, like the items that you whales have already sold out of and weren't listing even before the 2% fee came about. Most of what you guys were listing still has plenty of supply. I am on about the items that we haven't seen in a year or so.
Personally, I think the whales not listing over a 2% fee is fine. It encourages more people to buy from the store to sell items themselves, which we're already seeing a lot of. However, it would be nice for EME to change out the store more often than they are doing. Plus, I am not looking for someone to add one or two of an item like you whales do in order to get the highest price and make it look like you have a limited inventory. It would be nice for them to let us rely more on the store for what we want and need. I'd much rather have EME switch out the store items more often than I would having to depend on a few whales to supply the player pool with goods.
Actually, everything that is in the store now (pretty much) already has a decent supply on the broker. It's just that the strongbox event means that the player pool actually gets gold back from the whales and gold hoarders that are buying up the keys. That leaves a lot of the players with newly found gold to spend. There are always plenty of emp sellers that are happy to swipe to get you whatever you want from the store. The problem is that the store is stagnant and not switching out inventory as it should be. EME can easily make bank if they'd just switch out the store more often, so we can buy older items along with the new stuff.
I'd even be fine with this as long as early pulls resulted in a loss of fee. The main reason they added the 2% was to stop elites from constantly pulling and relisting their items in order to undercut new listers. Losing the listing fee if they pulled their items early would deter that as well. I am fine with whatever as long as relisters have some type of penalty. People are still relist undercutting now, but at least I know they are having to pay a little bit to do so.
Well, non-Elite players have those items to, and no one worried about them paying the brokerage fees. It's a whopping 20k btw for an Elite player. Most players brag on here that they can make that amount of gold in a few minutes, so I still don't see that as a problem. Just imagine being a non-Elite player trying to sell something for over a million, paying a 50k fee and having an Elite player undercut them within minutes of them listing their item. Yeah, now you get my point.
You'll come back with a "well, they should buy Elite then." Well, what if they just have that item to sell? Should they get Elite, so they can be in a listing war all day with another Elite player? I mean you're seriously asking me to feel sorry for people that told EME to cut gold from Vanguards to curb inflation then got all mad, because the way BHS decided to curb inflation actually impacted them instead of just impacting others.
Kinda funny how you think the only items in this game are low value cheap ones. Sure lets hear these "items that have been sold out of" so we know what you're actually talking about because again I'm pretty sure a lot of them exist still in people's banks.
And can you PLEASE stop LYING! The MAIN and ONLY reason BHS added the 2% tax was to "combat inflation". THESE ARE THEIR EXACT WORDS!
Well yeah if you want to sell an item for over a million you should get elite because having an item over a million implies you already spend a lot of time (or emp) on this game so you should get elite anyways. Furthermore, items over a million take time to sell (which is the main problem with this listing fee).
Also the rampant gold from vanguards still far outweighs the amount being taken out of the broker to "combat inflation" via this listing fee. In fact, the listing fee now makes the broker take even less gold out of the game compared to before because of how slow trading on the broker is now. High value items aren't traded on the broker as much now and as such their buy now tax fee isn't being taken anymore. For example:
That's over 1 million in buy now taxes I paid but how many items of that price are listed nowadays to even get bought out? It went from 20+ 2.0 crit mounts listed at any given time to like.... 2-4 now. Same with other things like stormcry (8 pages vs like 2 pages now) ect.
You really need to stop talking like this game's entire economy revolves around low value items because it doesn't. I've been playing the economic side of this game for 6+ years now and slowing trade and gold-flow down is never good for any game (or real life for that matter).
Well, you were the one that was complaining about inflation, so congratulations on getting your wish. You're just ticked, because you're the one paying for their inflation fix. Boohoo for you.
That's what they said as if they would say their real intentions. There were other ways to curb inflation, but yeah, this way is cool.
As you said, people will just go on discord now and trade chats etc. Problem solved!
Honestly, he's the one who cares the least, because he can afford to pay it. The people it hurts are smaller sellers holding onto items. Because the net effect is that less people list high-value items, it means less overall trade, which means the gold sink is actually less effective. More people will actually bypass the broker now, and so pay zero tax (not even a buy-now), so it'll increase inflation instead.
Freer trade of high-value items helps the entire game and improves the quality of life for everyone. I honestly am not sure why you're stubbornly against it.
FWIW, this is not what they told the public; this is was the rationale given to publishers. I highly doubt they're lying about their "real intentions" to their own corporate partners and sister companies.
More likely they just didn't fully consider how markets other than Korea would react, as is often the case. (We did try to tell them...)
Not really bad for me lol but for the overall health of the game it is. I'm not the one complaining about being unable to buy/sell anything.
Yeah problem solved so stop complaining about being unable to find stuff!
He is obviously not fighting for the smaller sellers and clearly says so by continuously trashing me for buying and selling lower priced items. Smaller sellers are not holding onto items. Many are used to paying the 5% fee and aren't even elite players! Are you even looking at the broker and watching the sales? You clearly aren't and seem somewhat oblivious as to what is going on now. Stuff is being bought like crazy.
How does freer trade of high value items help? The gold is mostly given to the gold hoarders that buy EMP rather than buying from other sellers. One minute you're saying lower items are the key while saying higher items are the key. Make up your mind!
The broker fee is great, because it helps out the free players by finally allowing them to sell ON THE BROKER! If us free players had anything over 20k to sell we were forced to use global or trade chat, because elites would constantly undercut us within minutes. I have repeated this over and over again! So the wealthy players are the ones that will be helping curb inflation the most, and you know what, I as well as many other free players are fine with that. At least now, we have a chance at selling items over 20k where we didn't before. Only a handful of people are even complaining about the fee, so it obviously isn't as huge of a deterrent as you people make it out to be. (I have elite now, but it's only temporary)
My OP was about asking EME to bring back some older items into the store and start switching out items on more of a regular basis. You're all just trying to derail my entire thread with the constant whining and crying about the broker fee. My post was not about the broker fee, so stop hijacking threads in order to constantly bring up the whopping 2% broker fee.
Kind of funny how y'all say you're really concerned with the future of the game yet are completely fine with new and free players being unable to sell pretty much anything in the broker previously. You don't care about the game, you care about YOURSELVES! Stop pretending to really care. New and free players at least now have a chance at being able to sell stuff on the broker. I couldn't even list 5k items half of the time, because no life broker watchers would undercut me right after listing the item. Surely BHS would rather have people selling super high value items on the broker and global than all of the free players having to use global to sell anything. Seriously, the same stuff you're all demanding is unacceptable to you, us free players have been dealing with FOR YEARS! I mean really. Get over it already!
Maybe I will just send them a suggestion directly. Honestly, I'd rather buy from EME than even deal with all of this bs. I'd like to think that they'd be eager to offer a better selection to players that would rather buy from them than have to deal with getting things from only a few certain people. If I want to swipe, I should be allowed to. OK, DONE!
I have consistently said that the listing tax should be gone for everyone, and I've also consistently said over the years that the zero-listing fee was the one pay-to-win benefit of Elite -- but that doesn't mean the best answer is "now everyone pays a listing fee." Listing fees curtail trade, particularly when the game has other means of trade that involve no fees (and when they already have a problem with third-party programs adding "quality of life" features that could provide another means around the problem). If you want to prevent flipping/undercutting, there are other controls that could be used other than listing fees. And if BHS wants to control inflation, this method is unlikely to achieve the desired result.
But your OP IS about the tax. You are talking about how supplies on the broker are getting constrained. Why? It's not because all of a sudden all the supply that was there before was suddenly all bought up and now there's nothing left to sell.
That EME should bring items back out of the vault and sell them again is obvious (anniversary has historically been a time where they've tended to do that, and it's right around the corner), and if you had just said that I don't think anyone would disagree. But you framed this in terms of broker supply, and there's a direct cause-and-effect relation with the new tax. Your stubborn insistence that there is not, and that this is some sort of "just desserts" for what F2P players have had to deal with for years doesn't change the clear and obvious correlation.
Also, FWIW...
I don't think you're talking about me here. In this context we're talking about high-value items, where the tax has the biggest deterrent effect on the willingness to list supplies on the broker, which again goes back to the way you phrased your complaint.
I'm lost for word tbh. There are so many wrong things that he said.
He even called others whale, but, what does that make him then?
I'm not against sale events from eme though. And i like OP even more.
I'm gonna make so much profit out of him. Secretly, of course.