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An attempt to clear missconceptions about kicks on Shore Hold
This is really just in case you're unaware or missinformed, i'll try to be case on point.
PvP gear is composed by two essential parts, those which are.
* PvP weapon and PvP armor pieces.
* Pumped Accesories for DD/Tank (For healers Carving/Pumped are both fine).
Now you might wonder why just PvP gear? Why just Pumped accesories (something that isn't as mentioned as often)?
To put it simply, PvP gear even at +0 shits on any pve gear and the lower the tier the worse it is. If you're in full ho +w/e it might be passable but you're still far, far weaker than anyone even wearing pvp gear +0, and don't get me started in the fact that you'll have to be hitting the back to do any meaningful damage which isn't something to be expected from newbies in PvP.
As for accesories, they make a good difference on damage and still are a decent reason for a kick, even more if you're not +6. To put it in context, crits add +12%/+20%/+28% (Based on the gloves the target is using) dmg to a normal hit so crit factor generally does not scale well unless if you have any crit power increase. Crit factor wasn't this bad before because we had crystals that give a decent amount of crit power. Carving accesories just aren't acceptable nowadays.
Now if this seems little to you, you might want to reconsider it based on the fact that most players that do actually pvp will be wearing +6~9, probably have better accesories with etchings to aid at that and be fairly more experienced that you at the matter as well.
Doesn't seem a bit egocentric to queue with pve gear? Hm, i wonder. But okay it's for the event and fun, oh but it isn't actually fun for any of the two sides (Specially for healers).
PvP players are toxic, yes, however they have a legit reason to kick ungeared(PvE gear)/undergeared(Under +6) players and that's on you if you don't meet the bg requirements. EME is at fault for not starting the event with CS or Gridirion as well, it might not be possible to pop CS/Grid now but please understand that if anyone decides to kick you they're not doing it because they're elitists, it's because you're ruining the fun of the bg by being irresponsible, missinformed and greedy.
Now, this probably raises another concern, the game doesn't do any good job at instructing new player these facts however you're still responsible for that.
PvP gear is composed by two essential parts, those which are.
* PvP weapon and PvP armor pieces.
* Pumped Accesories for DD/Tank (For healers Carving/Pumped are both fine).
Now you might wonder why just PvP gear? Why just Pumped accesories (something that isn't as mentioned as often)?
To put it simply, PvP gear even at +0 shits on any pve gear and the lower the tier the worse it is. If you're in full ho +w/e it might be passable but you're still far, far weaker than anyone even wearing pvp gear +0, and don't get me started in the fact that you'll have to be hitting the back to do any meaningful damage which isn't something to be expected from newbies in PvP.
As for accesories, they make a good difference on damage and still are a decent reason for a kick, even more if you're not +6. To put it in context, crits add +12%/+20%/+28% (Based on the gloves the target is using) dmg to a normal hit so crit factor generally does not scale well unless if you have any crit power increase. Crit factor wasn't this bad before because we had crystals that give a decent amount of crit power. Carving accesories just aren't acceptable nowadays.
Now if this seems little to you, you might want to reconsider it based on the fact that most players that do actually pvp will be wearing +6~9, probably have better accesories with etchings to aid at that and be fairly more experienced that you at the matter as well.
Doesn't seem a bit egocentric to queue with pve gear? Hm, i wonder. But okay it's for the event and fun, oh but it isn't actually fun for any of the two sides (Specially for healers).
PvP players are toxic, yes, however they have a legit reason to kick ungeared(PvE gear)/undergeared(Under +6) players and that's on you if you don't meet the bg requirements. EME is at fault for not starting the event with CS or Gridirion as well, it might not be possible to pop CS/Grid now but please understand that if anyone decides to kick you they're not doing it because they're elitists, it's because you're ruining the fun of the bg by being irresponsible, missinformed and greedy.
Now, this probably raises another concern, the game doesn't do any good job at instructing new player these facts however you're still responsible for that.
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We ask ourselves a good question and it's something we don't have answers for... Do we take the game seriously.
If Yes, it's problematic
If No, Good enough.
Otherwise, I don't buy it, you guys set the bar too high... Don't blame EME or the players for not being ready enough for it blame the ones who set the bar too high.
Are you supposed to pvp with the mindset of losing? Do you run a dungeon with the mindset of wiping and never clearing? Do you run bahaar with guardian/twistard/fm gear? Because this pretty much what happens in Shore. It isn't fun to literally one shot pve geared players or have them in your side, it doesn't make pvp interactive.
And uh, if you don't know, ranking in pvp is extremely easy right now because you can comfortably sync or not at all and win just because the other side has pve geared players or newbie players, the event is a godsend for convenience but it isn't fun. It doesn't create fun pvp. That said, i'm glad SH is popping and that there's more people doing it but that mean u can be so irresponsible.
Beginners are supposed to learn by experience, not by reading forty things online and then going in. When a game includes such a thing as "responsibility" seriously, the game itself has become a joke. Games are meant to be enjoyed, not a second job.
Agreed with you there.
Egocentric or just uninformed? I had no idea about the progression of PvP gear until I asked in the other thread.
Does PvP gear come with its own i-level system? Maybe it would make sense to limit players based on that like they do with PvE content... then at least they'd know they have some work to do before joining that BG.
I think it's entirely reasonable to expect EME to make it more clear to players. They don't allow us to start the Apex quest until we hit a certain i-level. They don't allow us to craft certain items until we've leveled the skill. It seems to me that a quest line designed to instruct players new to PvP how the system works while assisting them in getting the basic PvP gear (similar to what Apex does for PvE) makes sense.
Wanting to meet basic requirements doesn't mean you can't have fun, i don't understand. It's part of progession and that's very well seen and accepted in pve, why can't that be the same in pvp? which by the way, takes way less time to reach a decent level on it gear wise.
The reason why i'm being rude here and there is because these things have been said more or less a dozen of times in different ways. You're right though, i didn't word this correctly, i partially let my feelings spill on this which wasn't the point of it. That said, i don't think that alone invalidates the whole writing so it's up to you to distill the message.
No, no it isn't. If your message is unclear to begin with, it is your responsibility (hehehe, boomerang) to actually persuade the people that you are trying to convince in a correct, analytical argument. Basics of argument, 101. Btw, it may not take away from validity of argument(or lack thereof), but it does take away the desire for someone to try to understand or interpret your words. So take that with a grain of salt please :S.
CS popping every hour or two is totally not true over the night. We have 1 or 2 games going usually, even near 3 sometimes. It should stand true if you can't people over night on NA timezone however in the weekend it isn't odd to see games over the whole day.
You're ignoring the atk mod range, pvp weapon innate power and other pieces innate passive, greater health, greater defense, more pvp atk. The gear isn't equal.
You tell someone the basics so they get started and they figure the rest out, what is it with you people and not understanding that? You don't force the entire text book down someone's throat. You give them a basic and concrete(heheh, puns) direction, and then when they ask for details you go from there. If you suddenly took an elementary student who just learned 1+1 and told them to find the total volume of a natural lake using calculus, they would stare at you like you were stupid. OF COURSE I would skip the in depth. In fact, this entire post was a waste of time, you could have just explained the pvp equipment and their differences rather than a sympathetic appeal which you had abhorrently failed! (is more irritated at realizing how stupid this was, rather than at you tbh)
Huh, in what way is unclear? The way i understood it that presents two different arguments while stating that only one will be presented however that doesn't make it hard to read or understand at all? And in the matters or arguments, i barely see any good response to what was mentioned, if wrong in any case or seen like such.
This is by no means extensive, what are you about? It presents two main points and goes over them a little over later explaining why they're an issue. The subject isn't complex to beg for initiation in basics, everyone playing in tera that's lvl 65 would have more or less an idea in gear and those are basics here. Here's being taken the particularities of pvp gear and pve and put in comparisson in a by no means profound way but rather basic at its core (and it's nowhere stated that it's like such). The argument certainly isn't presented as valid by itself alone since there's a clear lack of mathematical comparisson but aren't you asking for something basic? I don't get it.
Also, this post of yours is hard to read, you left too many things for reader to interpret on their own, i'm not so easily understanding the direction as it seems to constantly change from phrase to phrase and in ambiguous way at that. It isn't relevant to the dicussion, so i'll leave in that.