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Tera in 2019. A review from MMOByte.

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  • TJKatTJKat ✭✭✭

    @AlbedoBloodfallen
    You are completely missing the point; you shouldn't NEED to read a guide before playing the game. Why are you even playing an MMO? Why aren't you playing a single player game where you won't have to worry about someone else's lack of perfection slowing you down? You accuse people who refuse to look up a guide of being entitled? Your expectation that people study before running a dungeon so that they will measure up to whatever arbitrary minimum standards you've dreamed up is the very height of entitlement. YOU are the entitled one for expecting everyone to treat the game like a job. The people playing the game to have fun and relax are the ones who are doing it right.

  • edited October 2019

    @Fainall said:

    @AlbedoBloodfallen said:

    @Waitress said:

    @Christin said:
    Interesting video until he practically starts crying over getting kicked from a few dungeons. Only alternative is to not allow kicking, so yeah.
    @AlbedoBloodfallen said:
    How hard is it to look up a dungeon guide?

    Oh reading these comments just drove me nuts lol. Another ex player here that pops up from time to time to state very obvious things.
    I too started at first beta, p2p, etc. Back then we didnt HAAAAAAAAAAAVE to read guides and THAT is the point!!!!!!!!!! lmao.

    And as someone else said, this isn't just a Tera issue anymore.
    I'd say it's more like a newer gamer generation thing where none of them want to explain anything. None of them want to get to know anyone, everyone wants to play solo and think that they're the only person that matters. Years ago, MMOs were about teamwork. No, not in the sense that you all already read some guide that someone else typed out for you telling you exactly what to do so you don't have to use even one brain cell. You just charged in and figured it out together how it works. Sure, maybe someone in group saw a video about it. But it was NEVER this mandatory thing that it is these days where if you admit that you didn't spend 3 weeks researching the ins and outs of every single dungeon in a game you're literally trying for the first time then you get yelled at and kicked. If that was the situation, I wouldn't have played for 4 years lol.

    It doesnt even make sense anyway. If I'm going to a new store in town, I don't google the owner, their family, the etiquette-I just go shopping!!! and that's how playing MMOs used to be. and that's why they're dying now. Because people went from enjoying to play and learn together to getting visibly upset and shaken at even the idea of not only having to interact with someone but to even have to interact with someone who didn't study before downloading the game like they were apparently supposed to. I feel like this entire generation has no idea what it means to explore anymore. If they don't have a guide telling them which way to wipe their behind, they're just not gonna wipe to avoid "wasting time" doing it wrong lmao god

    So yes, a lot of players are at fault too. Don't act innocent and like all newbies are supposed to impress you from the jump.
    If people weren't rude to each other you'd have more players and that's that on that.

    First, Cringe. Second, NO. You whining about generations adds nothing to the conversation. The fact that you already said that guides are out there proves you had the opportunity to learn it and you voluntarily turned it down. It then follows to show that your attitude is the problem. Tera is an old game and unlike in the 80s or whatever irrelevant date you want to throw out like it means anything, many people already know the dungeons and don't want to facilitate "Exploring" or whatever you want to call it.

    Guides are not mandatory, but ignoring them of your own volition is your flaw. Elitists didn't block you from looking at a guide. YOU chose not to look at it and then whine on the forums. For someone who has time to play games as long as you had, looking at a guide for an hour or so doesn't seem too hard, but then again, your being very hyperbolic in this.

    Yet again, you feeling something doesn't make people who just want to get their dungeon runs over and not wait around while you "explore" in the wrong or make them some generational problem. You say you think the generation thinks everything is about them but turn around and expect people to give you THEIR time while you "explore".

    Your little hyperbolic rant about "3 weeks researching a dungeon" means that you are unwilling to learn in an effective way and expect the party to suffer because of YOUR attitude.

    Your red herring analogy about a store in town is not in any way like a mmo dungeon.
    With a store, most of the time it's only you shopping.
    With a party in a mmo there are other people besides yourself.
    For someone who says the new generation is only thinking of themselves, your analogy says a lot.

    As for you saying people don't want to waste time and wipe for doing it wrong, there is nothing wrong with that. Who in their right mind would want to wipe and waste time just because someone intentionally decided to not look up a guide?
    You're being entitled. Stop it.

    Playing a game IS wasting time. It's not like you are out there finding a cure for cancer or solving world hunger. But I am curious about something...do you have fun while you are playing Tera? Actual fun the way you should have while wasting time and playing a game? Do you smile when you play this game Albedo? Because you are always so serious and so vitriolic to people who don't take it as serious as you. You do understand that it's exactly this type of attitude that drives people away from Tera right? You can be all serious and blame people for not wanting to read guides and go off game to learn things, but a day will come when there will be 3 people left on this game because of this type of attitude. Is that what you want? Or can you possibly try to see other points of view sometimes? Not everyone has the same goals as you. Some people just like to play the game for FUN!

    Maybe for you playing a game is wasting time but for me, playing a game is serious business. I like to be efficient in games and gear fast and learn content and complete it. I don't have a problem with people being casual but when they intentionally go out of their way to not read guides and not be efficient on other people's time then I have a problem. It's because I like playing this game so much and that I smile while playing it that when people intentionally ruin content for other people then go off and whine on the forums about "Elitism" that ruins my day.

    It's kind of black pilling to log on to a game you wholeheartedly love and enjoy playing and see people complaining about the fact that by their own admission that they ruin content for others and expect other people to waste their own valuable time just to suit their own stubbornness. Yet again, the reason I am so "Vitriolic" as you put it is because I don't like how some people are so entitled they are mad that other people don't like having their time wasted.
    To be brutally honest, I'd rather push away 50 people that do not play the game or [filtered] on it than lose 5 who support the game and finance it. It's not people who don't like the game that support it in large amounts. I would rather see the game sputter and die with a dedicated small community than with a choking community full of people that don't like the game and the community and constantly crap on the devs and the game.
    And when the game dies, which it will, I can walk away knowing I did what I could.

    Sage wrote . "Okay, I'm lost. Some people just want to, you know... play the game and not have to do extra research. How is that being entitled?
    I can't believe some of you guys. "He's whining about getting kicked he shoulda read a guide lol" No other game community I've been in, MMO or otherwise, has this invisible rule about looking up guides. Worse yet, even if someone does go the extra mile and does advanced research, they can still get kicked, shunned, and ostracized for their mistakes because there's not an insignificant amount of people who demand perfection in everything.
    And, of course, that's before we get into the fact that reading about a dungeon is not the same as actually experiencing it. I've been in parties where we read guides for literal days on end and it still took 2 hours for our first clear.
    Everyone reading this, if nothing else, think about this: what other community almost demands that you do advanced research to play it and do you honestly think that's good for both the game and the players therein?"

    Nice straw man big guy. How he is being entitled is he knows they exist and purposefully ignores them and wastes other people's time then whines about it on the forums. Since you somehow have never met anyone in any other mmo community that tells people to read guides, I'll do you a favor and name a few for you.

    World of Warcraft. Me and quite a few of my friends have been told to read guides to learn the dgs and raids.
    Blade and soul. My bro on discord has been told to read guides.
    Runescape 3. I've seen many people kicked from ed3 raids because they didn't read guides
    And of course lets not forget Aion where many people I know have been kicked and told to read guides.
    I find it very sus that you come to posts and post things like this.

    Reading things about the dungeon is not the same as doing it, you're right but it does tell you and show you what to do. Let's also not conveniently forget about video guides sage.
    Everyone reading this, if nothing else, think about this: In what other mmo community are people unironically defending people who intentionally waste people's time for their own selfish desires?

  • @TJKat said:
    @AlbedoBloodfallen
    You are completely missing the point; you shouldn't NEED to read a guide before playing the game. Why are you even playing an MMO? Why aren't you playing a single player game where you won't have to worry about someone else's lack of perfection slowing you down? You accuse people who refuse to look up a guide of being entitled? Your expectation that people study before running a dungeon so that they will measure up to whatever arbitrary minimum standards you've dreamed up is the very height of entitlement. YOU are the entitled one for expecting everyone to treat the game like a job. The people playing the game to have fun and relax are the ones who are doing it right.

    You are just spouting your feelings and opinions again boss. Slow down and nice straw man, sage made the same one. You are saying I'm looking for perfection and have some standards wich of course you can't quantify or even prove exist. YOU are entitled because you expect other people to waste their own time for you. You are not owed their time. You trying to convince me other people owe you their time by making an arbitrary accusation is not very convincing big guy. Trying to call me entitled for not letting people like you waste my and other people's time is childis and falls flat of it's mark.

  • FainallFainall ✭✭✭
    edited October 2019

    @AlbedoBloodfallen said:

    @TJKat said:
    @AlbedoBloodfallen
    You are completely missing the point; you shouldn't NEED to read a guide before playing the game. Why are you even playing an MMO? Why aren't you playing a single player game where you won't have to worry about someone else's lack of perfection slowing you down? You accuse people who refuse to look up a guide of being entitled? Your expectation that people study before running a dungeon so that they will measure up to whatever arbitrary minimum standards you've dreamed up is the very height of entitlement. YOU are the entitled one for expecting everyone to treat the game like a job. The people playing the game to have fun and relax are the ones who are doing it right.

    You are just spouting your feelings and opinions again boss. Slow down and nice straw man, sage made the same one. You are saying I'm looking for perfection and have some standards wich of course you can't quantify or even prove exist. YOU are entitled because you expect other people to waste their own time for you. You are not owed their time. You trying to convince me other people owe you their time by making an arbitrary accusation is not very convincing big guy. Trying to call me entitled for not letting people like you waste my and other people's time is childis and falls flat of it's mark.

    And you Albedo are not owed our time to read guides or live up to your expectations. As shocking as this might seem...some of us have lives outside the game and don't want to spend every waking moment learning how to do a dungeon on a game before we enter. Do you have any idea how what you write comes off as so incredibly toxic? You are the quintessential elitist, is your time so much more precious than anyone else's? Also you said this is a serious business for you...are you making money off this game somehow? Because it sounds like you are if you consider it business as opposed to recreation. Also stop trying to belittle people by calling them ridiculous things like straw man and childish for not living up to your sky high expectations. Just please stop it. And when the game dies, as you said you know it will...you will know you played a huge part in it's death by treating people like garbage because they don't live up to YOUR expectations. If you hate everyone else so much then get like minded elitists and only run dungeons with them. Stay away from everyone else and we all be happier because we won't have to contend with your elitist crap and we won't waste your oh so precious time. And one other thing...may I suggest you read some guides on how to be nice and play well with others!!!!

  • @Fainall said:

    @AlbedoBloodfallen said:

    @TJKat said:
    @AlbedoBloodfallen
    You are completely missing the point; you shouldn't NEED to read a guide before playing the game. Why are you even playing an MMO? Why aren't you playing a single player game where you won't have to worry about someone else's lack of perfection slowing you down? You accuse people who refuse to look up a guide of being entitled? Your expectation that people study before running a dungeon so that they will measure up to whatever arbitrary minimum standards you've dreamed up is the very height of entitlement. YOU are the entitled one for expecting everyone to treat the game like a job. The people playing the game to have fun and relax are the ones who are doing it right.

    You are just spouting your feelings and opinions again boss. Slow down and nice straw man, sage made the same one. You are saying I'm looking for perfection and have some standards wich of course you can't quantify or even prove exist. YOU are entitled because you expect other people to waste their own time for you. You are not owed their time. You trying to convince me other people owe you their time by making an arbitrary accusation is not very convincing big guy. Trying to call me entitled for not letting people like you waste my and other people's time is childis and falls flat of it's mark.

    And you Albedo are not owed our time to read guides or live up to your expectations. Do you have any idea how what you write comes off as so incredibly toxic? You are the quintessential elitist, is your time so much more precious than anyone else's? Also you said this is a serious business for you...are you making money off this game somehow? Because it sounds like you are if you consider it business as opposed to recreation. Also stop trying to belittle people by calling them ridiculous things like straw man and childish for not living up to your sky high expectations. Just please stop it. And when the game dies, as you know it will...you will know you played a huge part in it's death by treating people like garbage because they don't live up to YOUR expectations. If you hate everyone else so much then get like minded elitists and only run dungeons with them. Stay away from everyone else and we all be happier because we won't have to contend with your elitist crap and we won't waste your oh so precious time.

    Ahh so you're playing the circular argument game. You don't owe me your time but I don't owe you mine. That's not a solution. The fact that you can't understand that you are wasting other people's time when you are stubborn is not a good thing. Am I making money off of this game? No, but I do view my time as money to be spent wisely so when someone wastes it, I don't like it. Whhat you are essentially trying to make me do is give you my money when you ask for my time.
    It might be different for you since your time must be free and good for you. Just know that not everyone's time is free.
    Can you cite my "Sky high" expectations other than try to learn a end game dungeon before hand so you don't waste other people's time?
    Protip: You can't. It's just your way of trying to shame me for not letting people waste my time.
    Yet again, cite my expectations.
    "You hate everyone" That's just silly. I won't even entertain that.
    Calling me names now? I'm an "Elitist" because I don't like my time wasted? That's a hot take if I ever heard one.
    Go on, sell me on the idea that wasting my time is good. I'll wait.

  • ChristinChristin ✭✭✭✭

    @AlbedoBloodfallen said:

    @TJKat said:
    @AlbedoBloodfallen
    You are completely missing the point; you shouldn't NEED to read a guide before playing the game. Why are you even playing an MMO? Why aren't you playing a single player game where you won't have to worry about someone else's lack of perfection slowing you down? You accuse people who refuse to look up a guide of being entitled? Your expectation that people study before running a dungeon so that they will measure up to whatever arbitrary minimum standards you've dreamed up is the very height of entitlement. YOU are the entitled one for expecting everyone to treat the game like a job. The people playing the game to have fun and relax are the ones who are doing it right.

    You are just spouting your feelings and opinions again boss. Slow down and nice straw man, sage made the same one. You are saying I'm looking for perfection and have some standards wich of course you can't quantify or even prove exist. YOU are entitled because you expect other people to waste their own time for you. You are not owed their time. You trying to convince me other people owe you their time by making an arbitrary accusation is not very convincing big guy. Trying to call me entitled for not letting people like you waste my and other people's time is childis and falls flat of it's mark.

    Just be thankful most of them no longer play the game, so at least there are a few less people demanding a carry. For the most part, they just wanna have tantrums over getting kicked, because they are in a perpetual state of "learning" the dungeons. However, they don't want kick limits. No, they want kickers to get banned. Really? As if customer service has any interest in reading the constant crying over dungeons.

    BTW, not sure most of you really have a clue as to how ignorant you're acting. As if none of you needed to read guides when you started playing to learn how to do most of the stuff we have to do in game. Were you just constantly spamming global with every question you had? You're the reason people kick in this game, because your lazy mentality simply gets old after a while. Veteran players aren't paid to teach you dungeons. They don't get extra bonuses if you get the team killed, because you can't even bother to look at a guide. Maybe most of you selfish players forget that some of these players ARE PAYING CASH TO BE ABLE TO DO DUNGEONS! Not that you care, as I doubt most of you pay for coins, but some do. Why is it their responsibility to teach any of you anything? It flat out isn't! You're pretty much defending complete laziness, selfishness and demanding others take their time and money to teach you stuff you don't want to learn on your own. And then people wonder what is happening to the world and why so many people feel entitled to everything. This thread is a perfect example of that. Can't even be bothered to take a few minutes to look at a guide or video. After reading what y'all stated here, no, I no longer think they should have any limits on kicking. In fact, I totally understand why y'all are getting kicked.

    You're right, you should go back to games that don't require guides. This is an adult game where other adults don't want to have to treat you like a child. Players have taken a lot of their time and energy into creating the guides that you all feel you're too good to read. Maybe games like Roblox and such are better fitted for you. Most of those games don't require guides, so you should really like those games.

    Funny how many of you say that games are supposed to be fun, but I guess that only applies to YOU. The people you run dungeons with aren't allowed to have any fun and run with experienced teams. No, they are supposed to sacrifice their fun, because somehow, they owe you something. Sorry, but they don't owe you fun nor do they owe you a free tutorial. They don't owe you their time to explain to you what to do nor do they owe you a free dungeon run, because you can't do your part. They are players just like you, it's just that unlike you, they have taken the time, money and energy to learn the dungeon. Where you have not. Moving on.

  • @Christin said:

    @AlbedoBloodfallen said:

    @TJKat said:
    @AlbedoBloodfallen
    You are completely missing the point; you shouldn't NEED to read a guide before playing the game. Why are you even playing an MMO? Why aren't you playing a single player game where you won't have to worry about someone else's lack of perfection slowing you down? You accuse people who refuse to look up a guide of being entitled? Your expectation that people study before running a dungeon so that they will measure up to whatever arbitrary minimum standards you've dreamed up is the very height of entitlement. YOU are the entitled one for expecting everyone to treat the game like a job. The people playing the game to have fun and relax are the ones who are doing it right.

    You are just spouting your feelings and opinions again boss. Slow down and nice straw man, sage made the same one. You are saying I'm looking for perfection and have some standards wich of course you can't quantify or even prove exist. YOU are entitled because you expect other people to waste their own time for you. You are not owed their time. You trying to convince me other people owe you their time by making an arbitrary accusation is not very convincing big guy. Trying to call me entitled for not letting people like you waste my and other people's time is childis and falls flat of it's mark.

    Just be thankful most of them no longer play the game, so at least there are a few less people demanding a carry. For the most part, they just wanna have tantrums over getting kicked, because they are in a perpetual state of "learning" the dungeons. However, they don't want kick limits. No, they want kickers to get banned. Really? As if customer service has any interest in reading the constant crying over dungeons.

    BTW, not sure most of you really have a clue as to how ignorant you're acting. As if none of you needed to read guides when you started playing to learn how to do most of the stuff we have to do in game. Were you just constantly spamming global with every question you had? You're the reason people kick in this game, because your lazy mentality simply gets old after a while. Veteran players aren't paid to teach you dungeons. They don't get extra bonuses if you get the team killed, because you can't even bother to look at a guide. Maybe most of you selfish players forget that some of these players ARE PAYING CASH TO BE ABLE TO DO DUNGEONS! Not that you care, as I doubt most of you pay for coins, but some do. Why is it their responsibility to teach any of you anything? It flat out isn't! You're pretty much defending complete laziness, selfishness and demanding others take their time and money to teach you stuff you don't want to learn on your own. And then people wonder what is happening to the world and why so many people feel entitled to everything. This thread is a perfect example of that. Can't even be bothered to take a few minutes to look at a guide or video. After reading what y'all stated here, no, I no longer think they should have any limits on kicking. In fact, I totally understand why y'all are getting kicked.

    You're right, you should go back to games that don't require guides. This is an adult game where other adults don't want to have to treat you like a child. Players have taken a lot of their time and energy into creating the guides that you all feel you're too good to read. Maybe games like Roblox and such are better fitted for you. Most of those games don't require guides, so you should really like those games.

    Funny how many of you say that games are supposed to be fun, but I guess that only applies to YOU. The people you run dungeons with aren't allowed to have any fun and run with experienced teams. No, they are supposed to sacrifice their fun, because somehow, they owe you something. Sorry, but they don't owe you fun nor do they owe you a free tutorial. They don't owe you their time to explain to you what to do nor do they owe you a free dungeon run, because you can't do your part. They are players just like you, it's just that unlike you, they have taken the time, money and energy to learn the dungeon. Where you have not. Moving on.

    Thank you. I've been trying to be nice to these people but I guess it's pointless. I'm leaving this thread and you should to. We've said all we can.

  • it's sad to see some wanting to save the game because they like it
    and others simply killing the game.

    Honestly the game staff should ban all elitists because they are creating chaos that is ruining the game for many new players.

  • SageWinduSageWindu High Seat of the Jedi Council ✭✭✭✭✭

    @AlbedoBloodfallen @Christin
    I'm just gonna say it - I'm (not really) sorry I'm playing the game for my benefit. Not yours, not your mom's, not EME's, not BHS', no one else's. And that applies to every other person both in and out of this thread. If you don't like that I'm playing the game on my terms and not yours, that's not my problem. Seriously, you're here openly admitting that you treat the game essentially as a job and you have the gall to say people are being entitled because they... don't play the same way you do? Is that really what you're saying?

    We all play the game for different reasons and get different levels of joy out of it (yes, even me for as much as I complain about this game). But you - yes, you reading this, whoever you are at this point - can get sodomized by Vergos himself if you think I'm going to go out of my way to sacrifice that joy just so you can feel better.

    Rant aside, the fact remains that, even after all these years, the game is still very rough around the edges, and the community - as has been displayed multiple times in this thread alone - is one of those rough edges. If you want more people playing and eventually improving, you can't have these atmospheric expectations and then get upset when a person unaware of those expectations doesn't meet them. Nobody benefits at that point - there will be less people playing the game and, ergo, less people to help you achieve those optimum runs.

    Then what?

  • @ SageWindu....well said

  • SerenadeSerenade ✭✭
    edited October 2019

    @Christin said:
    BTW, not sure most of you really have a clue as to how ignorant you're acting. As if none of you needed to read guides when you started playing to learn how to do most of the stuff we have to do in game. Were you just constantly spamming global with every question you had? You're the reason people kick in this game, because your lazy mentality simply gets old after a while. Veteran players aren't paid to teach you dungeons. They don't get extra bonuses if you get the team killed, because you can't even bother to look at a guide. Maybe most of you selfish players forget that some of these players ARE PAYING CASH TO BE ABLE TO DO DUNGEONS! Not that you care, as I doubt most of you pay for coins, but some do. Why is it their responsibility to teach any of you anything? It flat out isn't! You're pretty much defending complete laziness, selfishness and demanding others take their time and money to teach you stuff you don't want to learn on your own. And then people wonder what is happening to the world and why so many people feel entitled to everything. This thread is a perfect example of that. Can't even be bothered to take a few minutes to look at a guide or video. After reading what y'all stated here, no, I no longer think they should have any limits on kicking. In fact, I totally understand why y'all are getting kicked.

    You're right, you should go back to games that don't require guides. This is an adult game where other adults don't want to have to treat you like a child. Players have taken a lot of their time and energy into creating the guides that you all feel you're too good to read. Maybe games like Roblox and such are better fitted for you. Most of those games don't require guides, so you should really like those games.

    Funny how many of you say that games are supposed to be fun, but I guess that only applies to YOU. The people you run dungeons with aren't allowed to have any fun and run with experienced teams. No, they are supposed to sacrifice their fun, because somehow, they owe you something. Sorry, but they don't owe you fun nor do they owe you a free tutorial. They don't owe you their time to explain to you what to do nor do they owe you a free dungeon run, because you can't do your part. They are players just like you, it's just that unlike you, they have taken the time, money and energy to learn the dungeon. Where you have not. Moving on.

    Christin - I seem to remember you posting about going into some low ilvl dungeons back in the first Starlyn event to take advantage of it on this exact forum, without knowing a bit of what the heck you were doing. Did you forget about that now that you're running with the big boys now?

    And, once again, these are leveling dungeons that he was getting kicked, due to GEAR. This isn't Gossamer Hard, or even friggin Antaroths Abyss Normal Mode (they almost certainly don't have the time or gear for that as of the video). This is stuff like Sabex Armory and Red Refuge. I want you to look us in the eyes (metaphorically) and actually tell us that you've done extensive research and made sure your gears are way above requirements for stuff like lv64 Macellarius Catacombs or Ravenous Gorge or Kallivan's Dreadnaught. Given you aren't willing to do that for Kallivan's Dreadnaught just a few months ago when that was the Starlyn Event highlight, I'm betting your answer is a no.

    How much cash are you paying to do those dungeons, for christ's sakes?

  • FainallFainall ✭✭✭

    @Christin said:

    @AlbedoBloodfallen said:

    @TJKat said:
    @AlbedoBloodfallen
    You are completely missing the point; you shouldn't NEED to read a guide before playing the game. Why are you even playing an MMO? Why aren't you playing a single player game where you won't have to worry about someone else's lack of perfection slowing you down? You accuse people who refuse to look up a guide of being entitled? Your expectation that people study before running a dungeon so that they will measure up to whatever arbitrary minimum standards you've dreamed up is the very height of entitlement. YOU are the entitled one for expecting everyone to treat the game like a job. The people playing the game to have fun and relax are the ones who are doing it right.

    You are just spouting your feelings and opinions again boss. Slow down and nice straw man, sage made the same one. You are saying I'm looking for perfection and have some standards wich of course you can't quantify or even prove exist. YOU are entitled because you expect other people to waste their own time for you. You are not owed their time. You trying to convince me other people owe you their time by making an arbitrary accusation is not very convincing big guy. Trying to call me entitled for not letting people like you waste my and other people's time is childis and falls flat of it's mark.

    Just be thankful most of them no longer play the game, so at least there are a few less people demanding a carry. For the most part, they just wanna have tantrums over getting kicked, because they are in a perpetual state of "learning" the dungeons. However, they don't want kick limits. No, they want kickers to get banned. Really? As if customer service has any interest in reading the constant crying over dungeons.

    BTW, not sure most of you really have a clue as to how ignorant you're acting. As if none of you needed to read guides when you started playing to learn how to do most of the stuff we have to do in game. Were you just constantly spamming global with every question you had? You're the reason people kick in this game, because your lazy mentality simply gets old after a while. Veteran players aren't paid to teach you dungeons. They don't get extra bonuses if you get the team killed, because you can't even bother to look at a guide. Maybe most of you selfish players forget that some of these players ARE PAYING CASH TO BE ABLE TO DO DUNGEONS! Not that you care, as I doubt most of you pay for coins, but some do. Why is it their responsibility to teach any of you anything? It flat out isn't! You're pretty much defending complete laziness, selfishness and demanding others take their time and money to teach you stuff you don't want to learn on your own. And then people wonder what is happening to the world and why so many people feel entitled to everything. This thread is a perfect example of that. Can't even be bothered to take a few minutes to look at a guide or video. After reading what y'all stated here, no, I no longer think they should have any limits on kicking. In fact, I totally understand why y'all are getting kicked.

    You're right, you should go back to games that don't require guides. This is an adult game where other adults don't want to have to treat you like a child. Players have taken a lot of their time and energy into creating the guides that you all feel you're too good to read. Maybe games like Roblox and such are better fitted for you. Most of those games don't require guides, so you should really like those games.

    Funny how many of you say that games are supposed to be fun, but I guess that only applies to YOU. The people you run dungeons with aren't allowed to have any fun and run with experienced teams. No, they are supposed to sacrifice their fun, because somehow, they owe you something. Sorry, but they don't owe you fun nor do they owe you a free tutorial. They don't owe you their time to explain to you what to do nor do they owe you a free dungeon run, because you can't do your part. They are players just like you, it's just that unlike you, they have taken the time, money and energy to learn the dungeon. Where you have not. Moving on.

    I have spent tons on this game. TONS. You don't know what people do, why are you assuming anything about how much they spend or anything else about them. Does spending tons of money make you a good player? Does it make you more entitled somehow? (Also insert obligatory crying from elitists about P2W people.) You can't have it both ways. No one here is demanding a carry. Not one person has demanded a carry in this thread. NOT ONE. Also I have never been kicked, but I have seen some pretty toxic behavior none the less. Were you guys perfect on each dungeon on your first few runs? Were you born knowin the mechs? Did you know your rotations at level 1? You make it sound like you were never new to the game. If you are so worried about people wasting your time, then never que for dungeons with random people, cause oh no you might get someone less than perfect and it will waste your precious time and money...a sub works out to 50 cents a day...damn that waste right there...a whole 50 cents down the drain. Just run with the same people who share your attitude...is that so hard? Also who said most of us don't play anymore? One person said that. I am playing until this sub runs out. If I happen to find ONE nice person on the game I might stay...but it's going to be hard to find one these days. But like I and others have said repeatedly...if you want more people to do dungeons with then be patient, be kind, help them a bit. Or if you want the game to die because no one gets parties for end game...then carry on like this.

  • CornishRexCornishRex ✭✭✭✭✭

    @AlbedoBloodfallen
    @Fainall
    Jesus christ you guys.... Both of you are arguing about something with a simple solution and conveniently forgetting about certain important game mechanics that exist exactly with the purpose of alleviating the things you argue about. What the hell is going on lmao

    First of all albedo, both you and I know, if you want efficiency and if you don't want 200k/s autoattacking, spacebar-hero type players that are "playing the game their own way :)" in your party you have plenty of good guilds that focus on efficiency, good dps, good gear, high standards and the like. You could also lfg for skilled people which is something I see every day and it's totally okay. Going into IMS and expecting efficiency and no time wasters is ridiculous. IMS is not reliable, you have people often forgetting they were in the queue so you have to kick them, people being first timers is very common, people that don't speak english etc etc. If you don't want to run into people like Fainall and that @Waitress person you have plenty of ways to do so, and plenty of skilled players are already utilizing the aforementioned tools for that purpose. Efficiency. Being able to choose who you play with.

    Now Fainall and Waitress and Sage and whoever else defended the bullied newbies that refuse to look at guides same goes to you! Honestly... If you want to learn and have fun like I said earlier, join a casual guild!!! Do a learning LFG!!!! That's what mmos are about you dummies, you need to socialize, I feel like I'm repeating your own point back to you. You'll play with like-minded people and you might get skilled people willing to teach you mechanics as you're learning, I constantly join learning lfgs when I see them and have a good time watching people learn and master the dungeon. The fact that you'd rather use IMS and risk getting some [filtered] is mind boggling to me. The fact that you'd go through the embarrassment and then complain about it afterwards is also.. confusing to say the least.
    Also the reason tera community is so hell bent on making people read guides is because most of the community is experienced, the content is really old so you have some catching up to do. It is what it is. Mechanics can be complex in the way that you could wipe the rest of the party if you don't know basics which isn't fun. That is not what fun is. Fun would be if everyone was new and you're figuring things out blindly for the first time. I know that's fun. But one guy making everyone stay an extra hour in the dungeon because only he wants to have fun is a bit selfish.

    I feel like both of these sides are anti socials that refuse to make friends (either because they're too mean or too shy or anything between) and instead use ims and hope for the best party they wish for (one wishes for efficiency, other for exploring fun happy times) when both of you could take the matter into your own hands and ignore each other for the rest of your lives.

  • FainallFainall ✭✭✭

    @CornishRex said:
    @AlbedoBloodfallen
    @Fainall
    Jesus christ you guys.... Both of you are arguing about something with a simple solution and conveniently forgetting about certain important game mechanics that exist exactly with the purpose of alleviating the things you argue about. What the hell is going on lmao

    First of all albedo, both you and I know, if you want efficiency and if you don't want 200k/s autoattacking, spacebar-hero type players that are "playing the game their own way :)" in your party you have plenty of good guilds that focus on efficiency, good dps, good gear, high standards and the like. You could also lfg for skilled people which is something I see every day and it's totally okay. Going into IMS and expecting efficiency and no time wasters is ridiculous. IMS is not reliable, you have people often forgetting they were in the queue so you have to kick them, people being first timers is very common, people that don't speak english etc etc. If you don't want to run into people like Fainall and that @Waitress person you have plenty of ways to do so, and plenty of skilled players are already utilizing the aforementioned tools for that purpose. Efficiency. Being able to choose who you play with.

    Now Fainall and Waitress and Sage and whoever else defended the bullied newbies that refuse to look at guides same goes to you! Honestly... If you want to learn and have fun like I said earlier, join a casual guild!!! Do a learning LFG!!!! That's what mmos are about you dummies, you need to socialize, I feel like I'm repeating your own point back to you. You'll play with like-minded people and you might get skilled people willing to teach you mechanics as you're learning, I constantly join learning lfgs when I see them and have a good time watching people learn and master the dungeon. The fact that you'd rather use IMS and risk getting some [filtered] is mind boggling to me. The fact that you'd go through the embarrassment and then complain about it afterwards is also.. confusing to say the least.
    Also the reason tera community is so hell bent on making people read guides is because most of the community is experienced, the content is really old so you have some catching up to do. It is what it is. Mechanics can be complex in the way that you could wipe the rest of the party if you don't know basics which isn't fun. That is not what fun is. Fun would be if everyone was new and you're figuring things out blindly for the first time. I know that's fun. But one guy making everyone stay an extra hour in the dungeon because only he wants to have fun is a bit selfish.

    I feel like both of these sides are anti socials that refuse to make friends (either because they're too mean or too shy or anything between) and instead use ims and hope for the best party they wish for (one wishes for efficiency, other for exploring fun happy times) when both of you could take the matter into your own hands and ignore each other for the rest of your lives.

    I have friends...or did til they quit. I am not anti social in the least, I am actually a pretty nice girl. And I never said I don't read guides...I have. But I am not going to spend hours upon hours reading them. I have a business to run and real live people in my life. This is for entertainment late at night when my guy is snoring his head off and I can't sleep. And like Sage said, reading a guide and watching a video isn't the same as doing it. I am willing to work a decent amount...just not like a second job because it's a game. This is a form of recreation, the thing games were made for in the first place. Now as for Albedo, and my responses to him...he always comes in and replies to anything I have said, he twists everyone's words to try to make it look like we have said or implied something else, and it's to the point where it's harassment and I am fed up with it. So yeah today I reacted a bit strongly because he has been doing it for months, and not just to me. I usually try to temper my comments to him but there comes a point where enough is enough.

  • What a bunch of cry babies, no wonder people don't Q for dungeons anymore, have to hold hands with them now a days.

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