Tera becoming more p2w!

Zoknahal · June 2016

Ok @Decore, you need a little lesson. Since im too lazy to write this all again, ill quote myself from the old forums. You really remind me of that guy in the thread who wanted and demanded EME to make Lucid and Starfall +15 gear available in the cash shop:
Old Forums Thread

Pay To Win Definition by Urban Dictionary:
Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying.

By this definition only, TERA would be considered as P2W, since you can use your wallet, to buy EMP, and then buy from someone else in game a piece of high tier gear. You got this item way faster by using your money and it certainly gives you an advantage over other people.

But defining TERA as P2W only by that definition would be foolish. Someone went through the effort in game to make that item you just purchased, someone who might have not spend any money at all in the game, like many already do by just playing the market.

Remember that it also falls under the definition of P2W the ability to buy POWER, as in, buying items that give you an overwhelming advantage over other players who do not pay, items that are not available anywhere else but in the cash shop, be it progression items, or potions, or just about any item that speeds up your process by a landslide and makes the game unbalanced in between players who pay and those who don't.

Before TERA, i have experienced many games that fell under the category of P2W with 100% accuracy, some of them being Runescape, and Warframe, yes Warframe, cause literally, you can buy the most overpowered gear in that game, using your wallet, literally.

In TERA, i see this the other way: TERA allows you to progress in game without the need to open your wallet. Everything to progress is available in game: Alkahest, Enigmatic Scrolls, Spellbinds, Feedstock, Identification scrolls and Semi scrolls. All of these items are available in game though specific methods. Some of them require a bit of a tweak to make the supply more vast, like the Semi scrolls, but aside from that, is still available in game by hunting BAMs level 56 and up.

No content is TERA is locked behind a pay wall, like in Guild Wars 2, where in order to play the new expansion, you have to BUY IT. It caused a major uproar among the GW2 community, as many of them felt like in order to PROGRESS they were being forced to BUY the expansion.

Regarding the Awakening system, which seems to be the root of all of this discussions about TERA being P2W, The system is free to use. With enough time and effort, which you clearly used by leveling 10 alts, you can get enough materials to attempt to +15. I heard BHS is working or already worked on a system where Awakened Enchanting will have Enchanting Affinity.

You talk about not having time or not being able to access the +15 gear, but if that were the case, how did i, that only pays for Elite and the EMP i buy is 90% of the times for personal use, mind you i do sell emp when i have leftovers or just to my friends for ridiculous low rates, Recently Awakened and +15 a piece of Lucid gear with only the materials i gathered through weeks of effort, and i do have a full time job that takes most of my time.

In the end, Using your wallet to buy EMP in TERA, and sell it, sure it does speed up things a lot, but TERA requires more than just gear to "Win". TERA falls more into the field of "Pay for Convenience". You sell your EMP when is convenient for you, but otherwise, selling it only earns you gold that you can use to buy materials and stuff to make your gear or straight buy the gear you want, but gear is nothing without skill, not in TERA.

That's it. TERA is not P2W is Pay to speed or Pay for Convenience. The day TERA becomes an actual P2W game, you will see the population of the game disappear the moment they announce it.

Shirohige · June 2016

Ignore this kid, he keeps making idiotic post. he was the one asking to get carried on SSHM

Based12 · June 2016

Gonna tell u a story.

I stopped playing 2 weeks after lucid was out, i had +14 gen weapon and gloves, lucid chest boots and belt.
A year later, i decide to start playing again and i find out there's dradnought and slaughter gear, and i really need to update my gear since i was on t6/t7 stuff.
So i decide to start farming for 30 day elite voucher, so i do that and i manage to save 70k gold in 2 days to buy it. A week later, im on full slaughter +12 after doing most of dreadnought +12. 2 weeks and days after coming back, im on full slaughter +12, i have full bloodvain/shadowvain accesories, and i managed to farm 200k and bought a 16 inner crit for like 150k (i had 6 power inner).

Soooo yeah, i don't think you know what p2w is. I think you are just a bad salty player that has envy on those that grind LIFE instead of a GAME, and want to spend some money they earned working irl in order to compensate for the lack of time to grind all day.

TERA is not p2w simply because you pay to have things faster, when someone can go and swipe a credit card and instantly buy +15 sf items, i go and happily farm them, i do dungeons and just enjoy the game, what's the point of spending money if once you are fully geared you are going to be really bored. And this is not p2w becuse the guy who spends tons of money and the guy who spends 0$ end up having the exact same gear and posibilities.

Lambnet · June 2016

Just made over 1m gold from this event I started off by setting my spending limit to 100k for keys (since I have hundreds of boxes saved up) bought 100k worth of keys from broker (about 80 at the start of the event its about 50 for 100k+ now) got multiple jackpots thanks to RNGsus sold all the extensive/personal/mwa/feed ect.

The alk were all around 70g-80g a piece making thousands and rebuying keys and selling them higher and i made so much in just a short amount of time. How is that p2w? I only pay for elite status and now im a multimillionaire player from nothing.

So you need to learn when is the right time to make money and play the broker its not hard you buy the low and sell the high on events like this you buy up all the keys at the start as people are sleeping or other stuff is going on and have hundreds of items for low-low prices and you make hand over fist.

If you did that you too could be the many "p2w" players with thousands upon thousands of feed/alk for vm8 and even more in the future with a nice fortune of gold for youself.

Also making 150 mwa a day on a char is not even bad, if you have multiple characters like you should especially in Tera that doesn't even sound bad if you had just 3 characters thats almost 450 MWA a day in a week thats 3150 MWA. Imagine if you had more hell even 2 characters is good thats 2100 MWA in a week. The gear isn't going anywhere past VM7 anytime soon for the next half year or so.

So 1 week is not even long in Tera if you look at it, also you are gettings tons of gold for other small things you could buy more MWA or Spellbind or w/e the f**k you're trying to afford. So before you make a [filtered] post like this learn the in and outs of the game. F2P players can make just as much as a Paying player does.

Bachstelze · June 2016

Decore wrote: »

Ultemecia wrote: »

Ok so what does this thread do to combat what you believe? Where's the suggestions? What would you do to change this? Just ranting about it won't help in the least bit. Formatting your rant in a way that has some suggestions has a much higher chance at getting seen.

Also none of the things you listed are trapped behind a pay wall. You can get every single one of those things with ingame gold. Therefore it's not p2w, it's pay to speed up. Or pay for convenience. If those players want to blow they're life savings then let them. You can still be competitive in this game without having a million gold or vm7.

paying to speed up your end game progression is in fact p2w because your racing against time on trying to always have the new shiny gear while the old one becomes irrelevant. If you could have +15 vm6/vm7 on the first day release because all you did is either bought all the sea chests with emp that you sold or won tons of mwa without having to grind a dime for it, isnt that the same like buying gear? In same sense you could just say that if +15 imperator was available in the cash shop and someone bought it, all they did payed to speed up the progression and not have to grind for it.

BS!! that is the definition of p2w!! Its just another form of it than in other mmos where they have it slightly different to where they might force you to pay for additional dungeon runs or offer you additional crit or damage from the cash shop etc.

What is my solution? Atleast for now, perhaps atleast give us another way to farm strong box keys, maybe put them into killing spree or vanguards credits, but i dont know!

That is not paying to win. That is paying to get there first. Two very different things. The "new shiny gear" can be achieved without spending a penny as long as you have the time. That is the entire point of a micro-transaction game model. You can choose to spend time to grind out gear, or you can choose to spend real-life currency to save you some time.

cheekibreeki · June 2016

You lost me at "loosing."

Yamazuki · June 2016

Decore wrote: »

Ultemecia wrote: »

Ok so what does this thread do to combat what you believe? Where's the suggestions? What would you do to change this? Just ranting about it won't help in the least bit. Formatting your rant in a way that has some suggestions has a much higher chance at getting seen.

Also none of the things you listed are trapped behind a pay wall. You can get every single one of those things with ingame gold. Therefore it's not p2w, it's pay to speed up. Or pay for convenience. If those players want to blow they're life savings then let them. You can still be competitive in this game without having a million gold or vm7.

paying to speed up your end game progression is in fact p2w because your racing against time on trying to always have the new shiny gear while the old one becomes irrelevant. If you could have +15 vm6/vm7 on the first day release because all you did is either bought all the sea chests with emp that you sold or won tons of mwa without having to grind a dime for it, isnt that the same like buying gear? In same sense you could just say that if +15 imperator was available in the cash shop and someone bought it, all they did payed to speed up the progression and not have to grind for it.

BS!! that is the definition of p2w!! Its just another form of it than in other mmos where they have it slightly different to where they might force you to pay for additional dungeon runs or offer you additional crit or damage from the cash shop etc.

What is my solution? Atleast for now, perhaps atleast give us another way to farm strong box keys, maybe put them into killing spree or vanguards credits, but i dont know!

Selling the gear in the cash shop and having it bought from another player isn't the same. The first example could be pay to win, although the second isn't. Having someone who swipes buy these stuff off other people at least has a benefit to these players, who most likely don't spend much if at all themselves, that they're buying from. There's also the fact that the emp they sold to get the gold in the first place meant they sold costumes or various other desired cash shop items to people who again, spend little to nothing themselves. If it was sold directly to them then it would be completely different.

Ryou · June 2016

kamizuma wrote: »

game is not p2w lol

Say's the gold seller. Then again I wonder how profitable that is nowadays.

Game is dead anyway, only a fool would play this game still. It's been P2W for a long time now.

TheGreyWolf · June 2016

The richest people in-game probably never "swiped". Seriously, you think that people with +15 VM gear bought that stuff with real money? Who do you know who is willing to spend something like $500 USD of REAL MONEY on a single piece of VIRTUAL gear in a video game? Sure, maybe there are one or two millionaires who play TERA who don't mind throwing away money. But the vast majority of people in this game who have the best gear got it either through sheer grinding and determination, or by having the smarts to manipulate the game markets in their favor. Pay to win? Puhlease. I have elite status and I'm running around in Dreadnaught. The only person I have to blame for that is myself, because I didn't grind hard enough. Yet I've still managed to acquire hundreds of thousands of gold in game just from playing the game - not from selling EMP.

TERA is pay to look sexy/cool or pay for convenience, that's it. And no, that is not at all the definition of pay-to-win. Maybe you think that TERA is maintained by fairies and unicorns, and that they should give us all free gold and mounts and infinite elite status for everyone. An army runs on its stomach..? Well so do game developers. They need to eat too. So they offer certain perks in game to try to get people to spend money. These perks do not give paying players any advantage that non-paying players cannot also get. You keep using that term, "pay to win". I do not think it means what you think it means.

Kids these days. No sense of proportion.

LongSchlongMcDong · June 2016

This game is pay to win. LOL, danm trollz. We definitely make 3x-4x more since we get 2x VG points. Do F2P players get the same amount of shades =/= tears? Yea. Do F2P players get the same amount of feedstock? Yea. Do F2P get the same amount of gold? Yea. Did I make enough in 4 or 5 days to buy a 30 day voucher? Yeah, but that doesn't matter at all. When you think of it, that MWA is really the difference and equates to 3x-4x more gold. There is nothing absolutely fked up about the math here. :^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^)

Also it's not like experienced / "Yea that last strongbox event would of helped, but I didn't buy any keys before they went up in price" actually buy strong box keys when they're low price with the passive gold they make through dailies and then wait for the next event. That just makes no god danm cents.

ChaosArtemis · June 2016

In short:

OP has never played a pay to win game in his life

OP Has zero statistics on populace but assumes things anyway

OP is broke ingame and irl

OP wants nice things

OP is salty that players who put alot of effort and time into the game / pay real money to support the game, have nice things

OP doesn't know the difference between publisher and developer

OP is annoyed that players who actually pay for elite now have even more tools to make their lives easier. Ignores the fact charms and nostrums can be easily obtained ingame anyway.

OP Demands change with zero suggestions

Everybody hold the phone, this guy is really gonna save us

vkobe · June 2016

Ryou wrote: »

kamizuma wrote: »

game is not p2w lol

Say's the gold seller. Then again I wonder how profitable that is nowadays.

Game is dead anyway, only a fool would play this game still. It's been P2W for a long time now.

so why you still here with us the fool :awesome:

Bachstelze · June 2016

Alright, I think it's best if we let this thread fade and stop fueling it. Things are only going to roll further downhill the longer this continues.

Nopi · June 2016

All I see here is that nobody is accepting anybody else's opinion. So yeah, letting the OP vent his piece and letting the thread die afterwards would be a good idea. These are all first world problems, but they are extremely important to someone. And we have to respect that.

Tera becoming more p2w!

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