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Slayer can kill all kinds of IoD bams with ease. You do have to research your class and be good at it. Not pro, just good. But with a slayer you can have a lot of back time so I always recommend a back crit setup. While not flawless, I've been fighting T3 bams as a DN slayer for the past few days. Going full back crit and double enrage on weapon(with flat and behind too) gives DN a good dps boost. Slayer can easily either stun or completely clear an hydra's lightning spin, keep giants in place through milking evades and stuns, and nagas.... everyone can kill nagas..
There are probably reasons why they made this a solo type of farming in the 1st place but many issues arise for most people. For partying up with people, I can't do this because then I'd have to kill more than 1 bam to get credit for one. I'd finish much faster on my own on lancer vs where more than 1 person is partied together. If they did fix the party issue, it would be really beneficial for everyone. At the cost of that, who knows, they might make the bams more buffed if they did that.
I've had that moment too few days ago, realized I was killing the wrong bam lol. I killed maybe 8 or 9, then realizing I'm not getting credit for some reason.
It doesn't hurt to have a brawler or lancer as a secondary character to farm IOD. Possibly most will go with brawler because it's easier where lancer would require a high set of skill to do real good. Anyway that is just a suggestion. Since I main lancer, I use it to farm IOD and is the fastest out of all my characters.
I find lancer IoD farming every bit as easy as brawler farming. But that's my opinion. My only difference is that with lancer I don't fall asleep.
OMG. *cries*
As for the gunner/range argument... my main is an archer, yes we can attack at range. But trust me when I say that landing a back crit on an IoD BAM from range is nearly impossible. Even ranged characters have to stay at melee range if we want to maximize back time. The problem with gunner is that they can land back crits even from the front, and they have metal armor, and a leash / self heal bot. If you think that archers can just stand 15m behind a BAM lazily landing back crits all day... LOL... think again. Although yes, I will agree that nagas are easier than hydras and giants, because they also work well for archer rotations. I think archer and warrior have more in common than you might think.
@Chriseh also agree with you on forcing people to solo the BAMs to hone their skills. Whether or not that was the original intent, it works. I always see healers complaining about dps who don't know how to dodge and tanks who don't know how to block, and they blame everything on healer because they expect to be heal carried through everything. When you play solo, you are responsible for keeping yourself alive, which I do believe makes you a better player overall.
With regards to Gunners, my point is that, unlike all other classes, Gunners can score back hits (with 100% chance of crit) from any position if they're within 15m (AB range is 18m but you need a bit of range to get let the AB pass through the boss). Arcane Barrage hit location counts from the point of detonation and not character position (Gunners are also the only class that can score back hits on Banyakas in Ghilliglade). Sorcers used to be able to score back hits from the front too but BHS "fixed" that quite some time ago.
Warriors are great at maintaining back time, I think the problem for warriors is skill complexity. If a mobile BAM goes on a rampage, even though a warrior is supremely capable of avoiding being hit, they can find themselves too far away from the BAM to be able to get in an Edge maintaining attack before their hard-worked for Edge dissipates. The only reason I gave up doing top-tier BAMs on my Warrior was loss of Edge when Giants or Hydraths when on multiple charges in quick succession, quicker than Charging Slash or Backstab would come off CD.
I used to do these only on ninja and slayer, the classes where you can milk stuns and evades, so I never really noticed the real frequency these guys attacked with.
Gunners are still broken, you know it, I know it, BHS doesn't seem to care.
As an archer main, my skillset is not as complex as a warrior, I'll admit that. But believe me that I feel your pain when it comes to super mobile BAMs. I spend most of my time on archer trying to get behind a BAM just to have the SOB turn around before I even have half a chance to pull off a shot. You work hard for your Edge, I work hard to position myself behind a BAM and fully charge up say a Radiant Arrow, just to have the [filtered] [filtered] turn around before I release the arrow - turning it into a "front crit" (that is if it even crits at all). Worse still is when I pull off a successful back shot and it doesn't even crit..!
But, I don't really want to whine. It's not fair but it is fun, and it is feasible. I hope the incoming buffs will help equalize the situation, but even if they don't, I'm not about to abandon my beloved archer.
It's unfair indeed for a few classes. Say, I also work hard on my slayer to get back crits. On Sorc? bi** please I went front crit with that one lng ago. Gave up trying to go behind anything. Then comes ninja and she can just toss almost all her rotation behind a stunned bam. I mean, do stun, and you have time for a jagged, decoy, double cut and skyfall, and the bam will start turning around when you are in the middle of circle of steel, which most likely also counts as a back crit. You then evade forwards between it's legs, toss a few normal attacks to kill all your cooldowns and before you kow it your stun is off cd. Time to repeat.... And people say it's hard to keep focus up.....
you can even kill a bam from another quest and it will NOT start that quest.
i just need to be lucky to have the same order of IoD quest as a guildie.
fix this plz en masse.if u can
No idea what made you say that. Maybe it makes you feel bigger to tell me I'm bad. Doesn't affect me since I have said and re-said in so many posts back that I'm a bad player and I don't care about fixing myself. I know I'm an incompetent player in all aspects. I suck, totally. I know it, and yes, I won't tell you to stop rubbing it in my face. If you feel like it, go broadcast it and make this post a meme in a random image site if it makes you feel better.
Anyway, rant off. No hard feelings. I have nothing against you for this because as I said it doesn't affect me. Being bottom of the ladder has the benefit of being un-hurtable. XD Carry on.
oh, and I'm currently 'maining' a Slayer.
The old classes have very different skill sets and fight mechanincs, you can't tackle IoD BAMs (or any boss type monster) the same way with each, with my slayer I can reposition and attack really fast, even chase BAMs when they trample away from me ("Remaining stationary so you can stab me to death? LOL no" , said the BAM), with my archer is easier to let them charge at me so I can iframe through and hit them from behind, same with sorcerer (not to mention the later 2 classes are very high-ping-unfriendly, some guides even tell you to outright delete your sorc or archer if you have a ping over 100 ms).
So, I agree the developers need to keep in mind not all players use DPS classes the next time they design solo content, I don't hold any hopes for adding new tasks in IoD in the near future, though. At the same time, new players need to understand that:
1.- New classes are overpowered when compared against any of the original classes, they will always have it easier soloing stuff.
2.- Old classes' mechanics are different from each other, let alone from new class' mechanics, anyone complaining they can't facetank BAMs with their sorc like they do with their brawler kinda misread the class description.
3.- If it's not your main you won't perform as good as others, specially if your alts are heavily undergeared (and if you can play like a pro with all classes then you have a prodigious eye-hand coordination and reflexes, you should consider becoming a surgeon, artist or an engineer, not just a gamer).
Also, calling others noobs or whatever for not playing all classes like pros or having +15 gear on all their alts serves no purpose, let them play the way they want as long as theyre aware they're aware of the above points.