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Who decides what is a reasonable rate? You?.
"Reasonable" rate can vary a lot from patch to patch just by how they're obtained, when they were introduced they were quite common, in fact, eases and embers were roughly the same price, then we get the patch where they are so rare it's easier to find a unicorn mating with a dragon in the real world and it takes over half a year to get a solution that lasted what? 2 months? 3 months?. The actual price on the etching is determined PARTLY by the raw cost of the mats involved but ALSO from the triple rng involved in getting them, Crit on embers? good, now crit on an etching II, did you get it? good, now crit on an etching III!... did you get it? oh that's right the crit is like 10% (random number, it's probably lower?) please try again when you've done justshootmealreadyglade 200 times (that's not even considering rng to get scarabs and dendrites).
Having a price ceiling on mats is good, having that said mat available in a SINGLE dungeon that is SOLO content and can be done 4 times a day if elite... no, that's not reasonable; having it as vanguard rewards again? no thank you, I could just go and spam tier 1 bams on ninja, they last less than 5 seconds in DN +12, and get an unlimited amount of them... add them again in dungeons? ACTUAL DUNGEONS and not jokes of it? yes, please, why? simple, you STILL have a limited amount given only by the amount of players that do x and y dungeon which is limited, again, by how many times a day you can run it, make it either a drop from the dungeon itself or bring back collaboration crates or w/e they want to call it this time around, that involves rng too, so you might get a few but maybe you won't.
Did you stop for a second to think not everyone has 5 brawlers 40 ninjas and 15 gunners to farm on and 25 hours in one day to play? People that don't have the TIME to do GG are not lazy, they have actual things to do with their life; did you stop to think that MAYBE... just MAYBE being forced to run the SAME dungeon a thousand times is NOT efficient when you have to run OTHER dungeons on top of that to gear up, get mats, craft BiS if you want to go for it, do PvP if you want for w/e you might need from the shop there, etc... Am I supposed to be thoroughly screwed if I don't have the TIME to do every single thing there?.
"Oh dude, you can get gold EASY you know that right?!?!??!!??!" Yes I do, I can log in a single character, do IoD dailies every day and Elite Vouchers pay for themselves in about 15-20 days by doing NOTHING besides IoD dailies, but not everyone has the time for it, not everyone has the right character to do it "efficiently", not everyone can use that gold for etching mats or the etchings themselves.
"Oh, but please, they're like for top players you know?"... Are they? The system was introduced to give a bonus to EVERYONE and not just "top" players, the current state of it COULD be worse but it doesn't mean it's not bad.
Putting them behind a credit shop works, putting them in some other dungeons as a drop or through rng boxes work, putting them in IoD token shop works, why? because there's still a limited amount of them that can be obtained at any given moment in time, your precious ceiling is just going to drop lower but it's not going to disappear, as long as there's a LIMITED amount of ways to obtain them then the item itself will keep a ceiling, just like MWA, just like Feedstock.
Would it hurt people SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much to have Ember drop in price? do they base their ENTIRE economy in selling those and those alone? I don't think so, the way I see it people complaining about the people that are complaining about an ACTUAL problem are just wanting to keep it expensive for whatever the reason, having etchings III doesn't increase ILVL, doesn't make you a better player and certainly doesn't make you far superior to anyone else, they're a great bonus to have and if a few players get burnt because they want to be rich selling embers so be it, having the etchings readily available and at more accessible prices is only going to IMPROVE DPS and Survivability, even of the "scrubs" out there; so, you see, it might hurt someone's pocket but it will help the entire community that does know how to use them, is that so bad?.
It's not about "oh, you guys want EVERYTHING handed to you!!!!!" They ain't handing me a thing if they make it more available, 'cause I still have to go through FIVE (considering scarabs and dendrites too) layers of RNG (and don't anyone dare mention that there's additives, from my own personal experience I crit more often WITHOUT them and I doubt I'm the only one, not to mention they're not precisely cheap either, if it were an actually known % of, say, 25-50% then they'd be worth it even if they were more expensive than they are, and no, this does not imply I want a 100% crit additive because Balder knows that would be just plain horrid to have, unless they're extremely overpriced and even then I still wouldn't like them).
im no cry like some dude = more easy
The NA version give soooo much more to the players in my opinion. I do not understand why emasse honestly even listens to these kind of arguments anymore because the results are always the same. Not everyone being happy. There will never be a way to make everyone happy. And just like the feedstock situation it caused more issues than it solved. The only ones that are happy are those that really and truly just like to have things handed out in crazy amounts. Knowing good and well that its not needed.
Some people dont mind doing ghilli for embers (theres are other things there is well that drop that are valuable and useful), some people dont mind doing their dailies and getting feedstock. Its not realistic to try to turn an mmo into a console game. Yet ever year i see it gets closer and closer. The more they do this the game becomes less of an mmo and more like im playing Zelda. I cut the game on do some quest and its given to me gg. Just in case anyone from emasse actually reads this. Let me tell you what happen. Those are the same people that get everything then quit. Never giving you one dime and hoping to the next game. And the reason they will give. "its boring" Why is it boring because you have handed everything out. You have killed crafting over and over again.
This is where i say hell no. I have just taken the same crap over and over again with this forum "omg this is so bad!!!". Its over rated and emasse really needs to learn to actually get in an play the game more as well and see that alot of this stuff is not nooooooo where as near how these people make it out to be. As a master etcher i process over 300 titan embers a day. Some I farm and some i buy. Sure I use alts but nearly everyone in this game has alts......Its not hard and its not complicated. There is no shortage nor are they hard to get. The server Highwatch is about the only one i could see that has an issue. BUT thats not new to it being hard to come by. That is due the population of the server.
To sum it up on my end. Is it hard to get titan embers? No. Does it involve a person actually playing the game? Yes. Do you know what porn and the forums have in common? Lots of faking just to make it look good or bad.
I think one of the major issues in question here is if Giggleglade+other sources provides enough titan embers for etching instead of how 'difficult' it is to run 4x per character everyday.
What point called MASTER etching when need crit to make something... totally stupid
Up to lv ii etchings is still easy to get for all your alts, but getting lv iii it's a pain.
Anyway, last time titans became easy to get, what it was expensive was the scarabs and dendrites. There is always lazy people to get their own resources (whatever one it is) and just wants to buy them, and when demand becomes too high and thus, prices, they just start crying.
Back then people even came to forums asking for a gathering event because omg scarabs so expensive, there is crisis, we need event!
Guess it can be harder for people who started playing not long ago and don't have many geared alts. Starting to work on more brawlers it's a good idea, at least to get faster iod dailies or guillie.
There's good reason for them to not want NA Tera to be as grindy as ktera - because the history of Korean grind fest MMO's has shown that NA players do not accept the grind nearly as favorably!
They are marketing the game to a totally different audience here, than in Korea. And if they want a healthy game in NA, the smart thing for them to do is alleviate some of the grind.
Svaf and I have been playing for YEARS (I've brought up the ember situation before as well) and we aren't likely to quit now.
This pretty much sums it up. NA Tera seems to be biased heavily towards everyone having 'the best' gear/etc for everything (go look in LFG and see how many people are asking for +15 DPS for example) and etchings are part of that. As mentioned, the extreme amount of RNG needed to craft one perm3 etching is ridiculous, particularly considering they recently nerfed the crit chance of perm2 etchings (in my estimation it has dropped from 35% to 20%- I craft a huge number of etchings on a regular basis so this isn't just speculation). A way to get embers that isn't heavily biased towards those who have elite / 30 hours a day playtime would benefit everyone, as the people with gold can just buy embers (at a less ridiculous price) and those without can farm them.
so it takes me 80-96 mins to get those embers...hmmm not that bad
32*ember x 30 days = 960 embers a month , sooooo ......u know :waving:
why not stop complaning,and try to do something
The point of forums is to discuss, which usually means complaining too. If people are unhappy with a situation they have the right to complain. I grind/farm most days and have several brawlers with my partner also having multiple brawlers and several mystics to get embers if we wanted. However, that doesn't mean we're satisfied with the situation. Titan's Embers should be more accessible.
I dont know how to take this... Should i laugh, or cry for the EU playerbase
KTERA HAD TITAN EMBERS AFTER COMPLETION OF VANGAURD QUESTS
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