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Champion's Skyring should count more for crusade rankings

To be honest, CS hardly counts as PVP. You don't even need to pvp to win a CS match. Not to mention since lower levels are allowed to queue CS, it can prove difficult to win matches and rank up in CS when majority of your team is fodder and don't necessarily have the right skills or crystals to win a match. While the other team has three synced premades that actually know how to PVP and win CS matches.....and thus stomps the other team into the ground.

Champion's Skyring is highly dependent on actual, pure pvp skill to win matches. There's no anchorstones, no Nagas/Teras, no pyres, no bombs, no statue buffs or charms.........not to mention it pops more reliably than Gridiron. So why does it rank so low on crusade rankings? If anything, CS should be placed the lowest for Cutthroat rankings, with GvG, Fraywind Canyon, and Champion's Skyring counting for the most.

Any thoughts? Post a comment below.
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  • Mobius1Mobius1 ✭✭✭
    I agree.

    Though the GvG system also needs work. Guilds just declare on guilds that offer them no challenge.
  • Idk how the actual different BG's are weighed? is there any information out about which are worth more? I agree that 3s should be heavily weighed along with fraywind and cs and grid should be worth less.

    The issue with having 3s be worth a lot is you will run into a lot of late night 3v3 premades feeding for rank. Most people are clever and die a lot to make it look legit, but then you see an Archer with 54/7/70 average...

  • MildLife wrote: »
    Idk how the actual different BG's are weighed? is there any information out about which are worth more? I agree that 3s should be heavily weighed along with fraywind and cs and grid should be worth less.

    The issue with having 3s be worth a lot is you will run into a lot of late night 3v3 premades feeding for rank. Most people are clever and die a lot to make it look legit, but then you see an Archer with 54/7/70 average...

    It's pretty hard to make "premades" for solo Skyring though. The queue just doesn't work that consistently. Especially when queueing as a healer vs queueing as a DPS. (Obviously.....team queue IS a premade queue, so I'm not even going to discuss that)

    Feeding in general doesn't really happen too often in solo queue. (And if it does, you're just unlucky). Not to mention, the feeders can be dealt with quickly with a good old fashioned kick.

    The 54/7/70 archer average is actually impressive, considering it's rather difficult to do skyring as an archer. (1 iframe....gg getting juggled by a brawler). 8 out of 10........that archer is simply just good. XD There are many players who are simply just good and don't die too often and can carry their teams.
  • Mobius1 wrote: »
    I agree.

    Though the GvG system also needs work. Guilds just declare on guilds that offer them no challenge.

    The GvG system definitely needs work. All the feeding and not enough actual fighting XD
  • What I mean is, people queue for team 3s because its dead. The team 3s rating also counts for the overall 3s rating, its [filtered] up because you can get 3 people you want to boost on one team and 3 alts on the other and just boost the [filtered] out of each other, that's what I mean by when you see a 50/10/70 archer its 99.99% a feeder unless he is known to be a God.

    Source: I was in a guild that did this, I left and got out of that [filtered] guild asap.
  • MildLife wrote: »
    What I mean is, people queue for team 3s because its dead. The team 3s rating also counts for the overall 3s rating, its [filtered] up because you can get 3 people you want to boost on one team and 3 alts on the other and just boost the [filtered] out of each other, that's what I mean by when you see a 50/10/70 archer its 99.99% a feeder unless he is known to be a God.

    Source: I was in a guild that did this, I left and got out of that [filtered] guild asap.

    I get what you mean. It's definitely [filtered] up (and if you have proof, you should report it :tongue: ) But nonetheless.......Champion's Skyring should still rank higher than Grid or CS
  • MildLife wrote: »
    What I mean is, people queue for team 3s because its dead. The team 3s rating also counts for the overall 3s rating, its [filtered] up because you can get 3 people you want to boost on one team and 3 alts on the other and just boost the [filtered] out of each other, that's what I mean by when you see a 50/10/70 archer its 99.99% a feeder unless he is known to be a God.

    Source: I was in a guild that did this, I left and got out of that [filtered] guild asap.

    Team 3s is actually not dead. Queues have been poping quite often lately.
    Soloq is very active at all hours.

    Also, people are well aware of rankings/ratings. It's all public on the boards. It's easy to tell when someone is feeding if you've never seen them in matchings.

    Honestly, feeding in 3v3s is the least of Tera's concerns right now.
  • aeyrebabyaeyrebaby ✭✭✭
    KanekoCos wrote: »
    Champion's Skyring is highly dependent on actual, pure pvp skill to win matches

    :awesome:
  • HazezoidHazezoid ✭✭✭
    Yea make skyring count more at the same time can we get a petition to remove CS from cutthroat league.
  • MildLife wrote: »
    What I mean is, people queue for team 3s because its dead. The team 3s rating also counts for the overall 3s rating, its [filtered] up because you can get 3 people you want to boost on one team and 3 alts on the other and just boost the [filtered] out of each other, that's what I mean by when you see a 50/10/70 archer its 99.99% a feeder unless he is known to be a God.

    Source: I was in a guild that did this, I left and got out of that [filtered] guild asap.

    Team 3s is actually not dead. Queues have been poping quite often lately.
    Soloq is very active at all hours.

    Also, people are well aware of rankings/ratings. It's all public on the boards. It's easy to tell when someone is feeding if you've never seen them in matchings.

    Honestly, feeding in 3v3s is the least of Tera's concerns right now.

    I agree it is easy to tell. Was just pointing out some flaws with the system because from my experience a lot of people abused it and nothing was done. Glad that team 3's are popping, imo that's the highest level of PvP in this game which makes me agree with OP that it should be highly valued.

  • MorningCoffeeMorningCoffee ✭✭
    edited May 2016
    I think it should be team Skyring if anything. That way, you can actually have multiple people from the same guild participating on the same team.

    Also, now that obtaining Starfall isn't literally the worst thing to do for PvPers (thanks to mats in BC/KS shops,) gear wouldn't necessarily be such a hurdle.

    Besides, there needs to be a reason to get PvP gear for all (end-game) BGs, IMO.
  • aeyrebaby wrote: »
    KanekoCos wrote: »
    Champion's Skyring is highly dependent on actual, pure pvp skill to win matches

    :awesome:

    Inb4BrawlerorMysticThralls = gg
  • I think it should be team Skyring if anything. That way, you can actually have multiple people from the same guild participating on the same team.

    Also, now that obtaining Starfall isn't literally the worst thing to do for PvPers (thanks to mats in BC/KS shops,) gear wouldn't necessarily be such a hurdle.

    Besides, there needs to be a reason to get PvP gear for all (end-game) BGs, IMO.

    The issue with just making it the team queue is that some people only queue with the solo queue because they might not have geared enough friends or guildies to use the team queue.

    In my experience, I've literally only used the team queue once because I didn't have any one to do Team 3's with. And not to mention it'll just make it that much easier to feed, like how MildLife mentioned above.
  • BorsucBorsuc ✭✭✭
    EU's team 3v3 (premade) is open from 7 PM till 11 (or midnight, on weekend) and it is equalized with Fraywind EQ gear (but Skyring solo earrings, for stun reduction) based on suggestions from players. This combination made it super active last season because it was literally 99% dead before and EU is in way poorer shape than NA regarding rewards (we still have 20k niveots, 100k dyad, for KS shop, and no boxes etc). The top teams ended with close to 1800 rating, where before max was around 1400.

    Unfortunately game keeps dying and GM won't add more rewards to PvP until ninja patch, now it's kinda dead but even soloq is sort of dead except on few days. (when they are both active, for premade it's like 1min queues tho). Still hope we get your rewards scaled for EU economy, though.

    If you're worried about feeding you should do what EU did, imo. Restrict time frames first of all. This would make people queue up during a limited time availability, ensuring more queues (similar to how Nexus gathered people in one spot). As well, "highest skill form of PvP" should be equalized, I'd rather have crappy BGs like Gridiron uneq since they have gimmicks anyway so who cares of imbalance. Blade & Soul got it properly with 1v1/3v3 eq and mass BGs uneq, especially since they have real tournaments. (Skyring Slam is nothing in comparison)

    - EU player's opinion
  • SawaoSawao ✭✭
    Remove GvG from Crusade = ez.
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