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Anti PVP on PVP servers?

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  • SinastriaSinastria ✭✭✭
    i think OP behavior it's actually legit.

    I like it? No. Is he wasting his time? For me yes. Do i think it's more than silly? Yes. But he's legit, and someone exagerating after being killed is absolutely wrong.

    Just avoid PvP servers if you can't stand something like that.

    I'd like those PKs quit opening bait topics tho :/
  • Sinastria wrote: »
    i think OP behavior it's actually legit.

    I like it? No. Is he wasting his time? For me yes. Do i think it's more than silly? Yes. But he's legit, and someone exagerating after being killed is absolutely wrong.

    Just avoid PvP servers if you can't stand something like that.

    I'd like those PKs quit opening bait topics tho :/

    Sure, it's legit. It's perfectly legit for me to pick on someone who is smaller and weaker than I am. Still a [filtered] move, though.
  • SinastriaSinastria ✭✭✭
    I agree Gray, the point is you can't really do that much if game and rules let people kill lowbie. You can just change server/game.
  • Mobius1Mobius1 ✭✭✭
    The problem with PKing lowbies and the vastly undergeared, is that the Tera PK system is highly flawed.

    Not only is infamy not a big deal, but PKing someone has no consequence other than crystals breaking.

    It's also probably why EME has banned players in the fast for it.

    PvP server or not, it's not healthy for the game, to PK noobs. Most people join PvP servers because of reasons other than PKing, and being PKed could actually lead some to quit.

    PKing noobs is a type of griefing, and griefing is never healthy for a game. Honestly, it's partly on BHS as well, since they haven't implemented any sort of system to help prevent it. Things such as the dropping of weapons/armor when you die, or extremely powerful guards that will attack an outlaw. Or a level restriction on PKing, etc..
  • Sinastria wrote: »
    I agree Gray, the point is you can't really do that much if game and rules let people kill lowbie. You can just change server/game.

    Which is why I don't play on PVP servers. I was just sticking up for the poor lowbies who are trying to level up and are getting harassed in the process. It's not fair for them, and I think it just reinforces the perception that TERA players are toxic bullies, which in turn discourages new people from sticking with the game. I also find it ironic when bullies whine about people retaliating against them. If fair is fair, if geared 65s are allowed to PK lowbies, then it's just as fair for the lowbies to call them out for it. This thread wasn't made by a noob complaining about being PK'd, it was made by a PK'er complaining about getting trash talked for being a bully. Which is just ridiculous. If you can dish it out, you should be prepared to take what comes as a result. Can't complain about people being mean to you when you're intentionally going out of your way to be mean to others.

    Though you're probably right that OP is just trolling, and we're just feeding him. But I still felt compelled to state my opinion on the matter, since there seem to be a lot of PKers these days who think that they should be allowed to keep doing what they're doing without any consequences whatsoever. All actions have consequences. If you are going out of your way to mess with other people, you have to be fully prepared for the possibility that they will later come after you, and justifiably so.
  • What's the point of PvP servers when the only extra PvP they get is steamrolling undergeared lowbies... and you wonder why people want to merge VoT and LoT. You aren't attracting much brand new players on these PvP servers.
  • Mobius1 wrote: »
    The problem with PKing lowbies and the vastly undergeared, is that the Tera PK system is highly flawed.

    Not only is infamy not a big deal, but PKing someone has no consequence other than crystals breaking.

    It's also probably why EME has banned players in the fast for it.

    PvP server or not, it's not healthy for the game, to PK noobs. Most people join PvP servers because of reasons other than PKing, and being PKed could actually lead some to quit.

    PKing noobs is a type of griefing, and griefing is never healthy for a game. Honestly, it's partly on BHS as well, since they haven't implemented any sort of system to help prevent it. Things such as the dropping of weapons/armor when you die, or extremely powerful guards that will attack an outlaw. Or a level restriction on PKing, etc..

    I've played in PVE and PVP server. The only thing different between the 2 is open world PVP because of outlaw ability. There is no other reason to go to PVP server since there is nothing else different between the 2 types of servers.
  • Fallsmyer wrote: »
    Insanevil wrote: »
    Mobius1 wrote: »
    I'm sorry, but PKing and PvPing are not the same thing. Why do you think there are two distinct terms?

    PKing noobs is for the weak who can't handle PvP. To say otherwise is to delude yourself.

    Skilled PvPers do not PK lowbies, period.

    If a skilled PvPer was hungering for some action, they would go outside Velika for duels, or they would at least only target geared 65's as outlaw, and leave the lowbies alone.

    So your reasoning is that because PK and PVP are 2 distinct terms therefore they are not the same. With that logic, cat and feline are different because those are distinct terms also. PVP means player vs player. It does not mean player vs player of the same level or same skill, which you are clearly added connotations to the word that are not there. If that is what useless tautology you want to bring, then PVP is imaginary since there is always someone you will face with better or worse lvl, gear or skill than you or anyone else. Fair fights are imaginary, not only in video games but in real life.

    @Insanevil by your logic house cats and lions are the same thing, because technically speaking they are both felines. So you should be able to walk right up to a lion and pet it; the same as I walk into my house and pet my cat.

    You aren't using my logic. Just a strawman. House cats and Lions are both cats, but the terms do not mean the same thing. When you can learn between an antonym and then a synonym, then you can try using my logic. There is no difference between cat and feline, or pvp or PK by definition. There are differences between house cats and lions, such as size, what they hunt, where they live and so on. When you can find in a dictionary where a house cat and lion is a synonym, then I will concede. I already gave 2 definitions from webopedia and wikipedia stating my case.
  • Nopi wrote: »
    Insanevil wrote: »

    I have no problem with the insults. I already mentioned on this thread it comes with the territory and I expect it. What I am talking about is when the lowbie threatens to have the PVPer banned for doing so, or takes the game so seriously, instead of just giving the generic insult they go on a long winded drone and harp on it for hours. That is a bit much. I mean what were they expecting, that they would kill NPCs all the way to lvl 65 and no one bother them the whole time, and any PVP that they went into would be completely consensual?

    My same advice still applies. If it's too much bother after the nth' whisper, just block them. Not everyone out there has the same level of tolerance, nor they see characters in a video game the same way. PK a passionate roleplayer and you will see my point. :3 Now. I'm not asking you to stop posting your thoughts here. Everyone has the right to do so as long as the TOS is respected. But also remember that many thoughts and ideas may have more detractors than one thinks.

    Who said they were whispering me. You are making assumptions. Many of the claims are in area or local chat. I don't know if they really did bother to ban and failed or are just talking crap to somehow deter PKing. My only point is that they agreed to it, whether they like it or not. PKing/PVPing is the only thing that separates from the other servers. I played on both types and other than outlaw, they are exactly the same.
  • InsanevilInsanevil
    edited July 2016
    Mobius1 wrote: »
    @Insanevil First of all, just do one post man. Use quotes or @.

    You can throw all the wiki definitions and whatever other definitions you want at us, and it doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.

    If I went to a boxing "Fight," expecting a real fight, but it was actually an 8 year old vs. a professional boxer, and the boxer won in a single punch, I would be outraged, and everyone there would say that that was no fight!! "Ohhhhhh, but the 8 year old CHOSE to step in the ring, and even took a swing!" Lulz, yeah, sure...

    You can argue technicalities all you like, but it only makes you sound stupid.

    I can bang my hands on a piano and call it a song, but that's no bloody song! But if you want to get technical, it is! Herp a derp derp!

    If I went around challenging people to a fight, and they put up their dukes expecting some fisticuffs, but then I pull out a gun and shoot them....Yeah, I think them being pissed off and wanting to get you arrested (banned), would be pretty understandable behavior.

    To come and complain about it on the forums is ridiculous. Cry me a river. You're the one who chose to be a good for nothing PKer. If people hurt your feelings, then maybe you shouldn't PK?

    PKing noobs is for the weak.

    Saying I am wrong even though I used references is just saying you are stubborn and don't care about being honest. I get it, you don't like it. The fact is that PVP/PK is the only distinction PVP servers have from PVE servers. Without it, there is no point even going to a PVP server. Basically people that complain about it are going full [filtered]. It is like someone who gets married, gets divorced, and complains that their wife took half, the kids, and alimony and they are still surprised that they are broke paying someone who no longer wants them. Instead of learning from their mistake they just whine about it.

    My feelings aren't hurt kid. I am pointing out that retards are crying about something they agreed to, and you are defending them because you lack critical thinking skills. "Good for nothing Pker"? It is a f*cking video game ffs. I remembered before there were MMOs when people killed each other in games and it was part of the fun. Now we have SJWs getting offended in a freaking virtual world. Grow some cajones. What are you defending anyway, that some stranger in a video game got inconvenienced for maybe couple of minutes tops, and won't remember that you did it between the grinding of NPCs as they gear and lvl up?

    You act like someone is really being bullied when in fact it is just a character in a video game. This is how silly you are pretending to fight for imaginary justice because of make believe characters in a game were killed. Really? You are kidding right? You really aren't this gullible are you? You are just role playing and being silly or is this how low you have sunk that there is nothing to fight for but in the virtual world? I mean you confuse real bullying with imaginary characters. You confuse real death with cartoon violence. You confuse real fighting where people can actually get hurt with a virtual world where NO ONE GETS HURT.

    BTW Grinding NPCs is for the weak. Gearing up to beat on lowly NPCs that don't even have a mind for pete sake. :O NPC bully.
  • There are many reasons to join a PvP server over a PvE one (other than the Oulaw mechanic). Every server has very different communities and what they are into. People join PvP servers because there is a larger population there that are also interested in PvPing. Yes, there are PvP communities on PvE servers, but they are significantly smaller than the PvP offered on a PvP server. There are many more guilds focused on PvP on a PvP server, and the community that is interested in PvP will be much larger. There is a reason why Velika Outskirts is more populated on PvP servers than on PvE servers. People join PvP servers for a united interest in actual competitive PvPing, not to be PKed by a person who has nothing better to do with their lives.


    Yes, nothing stops you from killing an undergeared character, and you have the right to do so if you have nothing better to do. Whether you consider PK and PvP the same term or not, keep in mind that your behavior in game is still viewed as immoral to the majority of the community, and is generally frowned upon (because you are literally "fighting" a defenseless person for no tangible benefit).
  • Insanevil wrote: »
    Mobius1 wrote: »
    @Insanevil First of all, just do one post man. Use quotes or @.

    You can throw all the wiki definitions and whatever other definitions you want at us, and it doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.

    If I went to a boxing "Fight," expecting a real fight, but it was actually an 8 year old vs. a professional boxer, and the boxer won in a single punch, I would be outraged, and everyone there would say that that was no fight!! "Ohhhhhh, but the 8 year old CHOSE to step in the ring, and even took a swing!" Lulz, yeah, sure...

    You can argue technicalities all you like, but it only makes you sound stupid.

    I can bang my hands on a piano and call it a song, but that's no bloody song! But if you want to get technical, it is! Herp a derp derp!

    If I went around challenging people to a fight, and they put up their dukes expecting some fisticuffs, but then I pull out a gun and shoot them....Yeah, I think them being pissed off and wanting to get you arrested (banned), would be pretty understandable behavior.

    To come and complain about it on the forums is ridiculous. Cry me a river. You're the one who chose to be a good for nothing PKer. If people hurt your feelings, then maybe you shouldn't PK?

    PKing noobs is for the weak.

    Saying I am wrong even though I used references is just saying you are stubborn and don't care about being honest. I get it, you don't like it. The fact is that PVP/PK is the only distinction PVP servers have from PVE servers. Without it, there is no point even going to a PVP server. Basically people that complain about it are going full [filtered]. It is like someone who gets married, gets divorced, and complains that their wife took half, the kids, and alimony and they are still surprised that they are broke paying someone who no longer wants them. Instead of learning from their mistake they just whine about it.

    My feelings aren't hurt kid. I am pointing out that retards are crying about something they agreed to, and you are defending them because you lack critical thinking skills. "Good for nothing Pker"? It is a f*cking video game ffs. I remembered before there were MMOs when people killed each other in games and it was part of the fun. Now we have SJWs getting offended in a freaking virtual world. Grow some cajones. What are you defending anyway, that some stranger in a video game got inconvenienced for maybe couple of minutes tops, and won't remember that you did it between the grinding of NPCs as they gear and lvl up?

    You act like someone is really being bullied when in fact it is just a character in a video game. This is how silly you are pretending to fight for imaginary justice because of make believe characters in a game were killed. Really? You are kidding right? You really aren't this gullible are you? You are just role playing and being silly or is this how low you have sunk that there is nothing to fight for but in the virtual world? I mean you confuse real bullying with imaginary characters. You confuse real death with cartoon violence. You confuse real fighting where people can actually get hurt with a virtual world where NO ONE GETS HURT.

    BTW Grinding NPCs is for the weak. Gearing up to beat on lowly NPCs that don't even have a mind for pete sake. :O NPC bully.

    I get your points and all, I know it's just a game and you're not actually hurting anyone. But in the same respect, the people who are trash talking you for PKing them are just using words. Words don't hurt you, right? And if they join a guild and decide to declare you KOS, then it's just a video game, no big deal, no one is getting hurt. If you want to kill lowbies for fun, that's fine, if that's your idea of fun. And if they want to call you a [filtered] [filtered] [filtered] for doing so, then that's fine too. It's just a game, right? So why the thread? You have the right to pick on undergeared and underleveled players, and they have the right to retaliate. That's just how life works. I'm not trying to be a SJW. I'm just saying that the people you kill have the right to call you names and seek retribution. You talk about growing cajones, but you're the one qq'ing here because some people said mean things to you on the internet. Do you see the irony?

    Oh and it's ok to eat NPCs. Cause they don't have any feelings.

  • edited July 2016
    If you find grieving lower-leveled players by killing them (PvP/PK) fun then by all means, do whatever you want. There is an infamy system built into Tera that does little to deter you from doing so.

    Just don't come on the forums upset about how they speak ill of you or blurt out some profanities at you because you honestly deserved it. You're right. It's just a game! You guys joined a PvP server where you can flag yourself as an 'outlaw' and kill each other. Just don't expect them to be "ok" with it because it is a PvP server. Drastically speaking, kind of like walking up to someone, punching them in the face, and then complaining afterwards when they either: punch you back or start yelling profanities at you. I mean - what did you expect?
  • NopiNopi ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2016
    Well. Seems OP will keep his stance. And everyone saying otherwise will also keep their stance. This thread is simply not going anywhere. I and @TheGreyWolf pretty much said the same, in different wording, and I have nothing more to add. The thread itself should damage nobody, and in fact, shouldn't let any newbie heed to OP's remarks if they don't wish to. Thing is, there will always be lowbie killers out there, and lowbies will still react however they want to react. And as long as everyone is within the game rules, the whole "Stop killing lowbies" or "Don't get mad for being killed as a lowbie" holds null in my view. We can tell anyone to do or not to do something in here yet it's still up to them to heed to you or not. So in the end the world keeps spinning the same way it's been doing so before this thread. Moving on. :)

    Edited for slightly better readability.
  • Whatever OP meant, the jokes still on him.

    Cuz he's the one who made this thread, crying in the forum. Not the lowbies that trash talk him in the game.
    He killed the lowbies, the lowbies trash talk him, and the lowbies leave it as it is in the game.
    So the 'this is just a game ffs', is actually for OP.
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