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Kyra’s Pop-Up Potion Shack

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  • TWMagimayTWMagimay ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ginjitsu wrote: »
    TWMagimay wrote: »
    Ginjitsu wrote: »
    En Masse didn't intend for players to hoard catalyst

    This is the first Kyra announcement: http://tera.enmasse.com/news/posts/introducing-kyra-s-pop-up-potion-shack
    At the bottom it says: Any catalysts left unused after August 25 will be usable the next time Kyra’s Potion Shack pops up, but Kyra may not return for some time—and the prizes she offers will almost certainly be different!
    They specifically told players that there will be more Kyra, rewards will change and catalysts can be saved up. I don't think they can say that in the official post and then claim they didn't intend for it to happen.

    Oh, and, if they didn't intend for hoarding to happen, they could've wiped out all catalysts at the end of each event. You know, they way they plan on doing it now.

    That was for August 25 in 2015. If you have any questions for the current Kyra event, you can check FAQ:
    http://support.enmasse.com/tera/kyra-s-pop-up-potion-shack

    That'd be the point. You said they DIDN'T intend for the hoarding to happen. "Didn't" refers to the past, meaning the previous events, not the current(or, really, future) one. So, no, I don't need the FAQ and it's not even remotely relevant.
  • edited July 2016
    salE983 wrote: »
    ok i get some things but i still dont understand what is the difference if those "hoarders" opened catas previous event or now? if they got for example 300 blessed scrolls in February or got them now what is the difference? he got them maybe i am stupid for not getting their intention but i dont see the need to make them use catas till 19th July and make us play for miserable amount of catas and bad rewards
    It's basically because having too many catalysts out in the open deflates the value of all the prizes way over the expected rate people would earn/buy over the course of the event, so that makes it very hard to balance the prize list. Having too many of a given commodity flood the market depresses its value, and in some cases the added supply can continue depressing the value even past the duration of the event. This makes it even less worthwhile to participate in the event because it's cheaper/easier to just buy the now-cheapened prizes on the broker. The people who stocked up benefit way more than the people who actually play. (This is particularly the problem in this case.) It adds a new dynamic to the event: when it's easy to earn, you hoard, and when it's hard to earn, you spend. In doing this, you'd maximize your potential profit when selling the prizes. They sort of countered this a bit this time by both a) having a super-long list of prizes and b) having a cut-off for all catalysts.
    Just think about it this way you spam dungeons for 5 hours to get 1 try and say you want 1 specific item (which lots of my friends in fact do want only 1 item specifically) you have just a .0043% chance of getting that item, so every 5 hours you get less than 1% chance to get something you want and this event is supposed to be enjoyable.
    Well, I do agree that the prize list is way too long. But at the same time, I think I can guess what they were thinking. Given that there are so many catalysts out in the open and people have to use them this time, if you consider everyone in the whole game using all their catalysts, the accessories will end up on the trade broker. So the point would not be to use the catalyst to hope for the item you want, but rather to take advantage of the fact that increased supply will enter the market and watch the broker for the item you want (and sell the items you don't want). This basically only works because of the over-supply of left-over catalysts and the deadline to use them up.

    In other words, they were looking at the total supply of items entering the market on a server-wide level, rather than the experience of a given individual who just wants one particular thing. (And therein lies the flaw with the approach, of course. It's hard for an individual who doesn't get what they want to understand the value of the "long game".)
  • AriarAriar ✭✭
    Ariar wrote: »
    Ariar wrote: »
    You still can hoard catalysts by buying them with emp, but somehow noone is bothered by this part...strange.
    If you mean like hoard them from one catalyst event into the next, then even the purchased ones will be wiped out at the end of this event.

    But if you mean that people can still get a whole lot of catalysts just by buying them right at the start of the event, then sure -- that is one of the downsides to this entire event. But the amount of people who are able to buy that many catalysts is small compared to the rate people were able to hoard them via blue boxes last time. There are way more people who could spend a few days "barely playing the game" to collect 2000 catalysts via blue boxes than could drop 79600 EMP (~$660 USD) to do the same.
    Yep, just buying them right at the start, skipping the whole "fair" part, though dont get me wrong i got nothing against people who do so and eme needs money, im perfectly fine with it, but since everyone talks about fair and stuff i just wanted to point out this part.
    Yeah, it's a fair point, and is one of the things that makes this event "messy". Personally, I would prefer better "separation" between events and the cash shop. That being said... if the person was able to drop that much money on EMP anyway, they could just buy other things and sell them for gold, and buy the prizes others sell on the broker with that gold... so in the end I guess it's probably one of those things that "looks worse" than it really is. Considering last time the most coveted prizes were EMP and elite vouchers (which someone spending that much EMP could just flat-out buy), I've never really seen Kyra's as the sort of thing where people would be tempted to drop a whole ton of money on it. But who knows...
    Well if you take the current drop rate of catalysts into consideration, just buying some 40-50 catalysts is a huge advantage since by normal playing that would take hours upon hours to obtain, but like i said i dont mind.

    All i would like to see are some alternatives to the tedious dungeon spam, if they are sincere about making the event fun, they should atleast provide them.
    Not to mention most of the geared and uber geared people arent going to let anyone else into their parties, wich again makes for an unfriendly enviroment.
    Lower geared players are left with normal mode dungeons that have only a chance to drop catalysts.
    I dont know, this whole thing is just badly thought out.
  • PixelatorPixelator ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2016
    Ariar wrote: »
    Well if you take the current drop rate of catalysts into consideration, just buying some 40-50 catalysts is a huge advantage since by normal playing that would take hours upon hours to obtain, but like i said i dont mind.
    Buy 40-50 catalyst for what end? To get loads of those worthless accessories?
  • AriarAriar ✭✭
    Pixelator wrote: »
    Ariar wrote: »
    Well if you take the current drop rate of catalysts into consideration, just buying some 40-50 catalysts is a huge advantage since by normal playing that would take hours upon hours to obtain, but like i said i dont mind.
    Buy 40-50 catalyst for what end? To get loads of those worthless accessories?

    Yeah i know, just saying, but there are people who buy regardless of that, just take a look the first pages of this thread, plus lots of people dont go to forums at all, they dont see the prize list being bloated with all sorts of garbage.
  • I really wish u dont spend emp for these trash event
  • Ghost915Ghost915 ✭✭✭
    Ariar wrote: »
    Pixelator wrote: »
    Ariar wrote: »
    Well if you take the current drop rate of catalysts into consideration, just buying some 40-50 catalysts is a huge advantage since by normal playing that would take hours upon hours to obtain, but like i said i dont mind.
    Buy 40-50 catalyst for what end? To get loads of those worthless accessories?

    Yeah i know, just saying, but there are people who buy regardless of that, just take a look the first pages of this thread, plus lots of people dont go to forums at all, they dont see the prize list being bloated with all sorts of garbage.

    Which is why I'm sticking to selling EMP because there's literally no risk, no loss for me :/
  • edited July 2016
    Which basically means they are making an awesome event horrible just to "fix" something that should have never been a problem in the first place, because A: they should have known this would happen and B: blue boxes should have been tested to show that it was easy to get 2-10k+ catalyst.

    Both ways you look at it EME is just treating players like crap because their foresight is horrible and instead of fixing an issue in a positive way they make the event as negative as possible on nearly every side and will ignore there is an issue tell event ends and people just forget about it like always.
    I definitely do agree that the rewards this time are not that great on the whole (partly because I personally don't like most accessories). I also agree to a certain degree that they probably should have seen this coming after they made the blue boxes so generous last time. (I don't think they realized just how efficient some people had gotten at finding blue boxes, but they definitely know now...) Like some others have said, I personally am just going to roll whenever I accumulate 5 catalysts, but am not going to go out of my way, which isn't particularly exciting.

    But at the same time, I don't think we need to be so fatalistic about the whole thing either. For people who hoarded so many catalysts, it's a way of getting something for them and injecting a whole bunch of accessories (and the occasional rare prize) in the market for those who want them. (And yeah, it sucks that people may not profit as much for having hoarded them as they would have if they had just spent them last time... but it was always a risk.) For people who didn't hoard, it's only a way to get a little something extra for playing the game that they wouldn't have gotten otherwise. All those left over catalysts will create item supply that didn't exist before. Even if it ends up basically being a flop, life will go on. I really hope, based on the feedback this round, they'll do a better job next time. Maybe there's still some opportunity to do some tweaks later on as they did in some previous rounds (but now it's the long-weekend, so it'll have to wait - the risk of launching anything so near a long weekend or holiday).

    I guess what I'm saying is I that I think rolling out a disappointing event is a bit different than "treating players like crap". We've been through disappointing events before, and I have a fair bit of confidence that the disappointment will also be borne out in their metrics (i.e. sales and in-game participation). Even if everyone were to totally ignore this event, the next patch comes out next Thursday, so there's something else right on the near horizon, and the potential issues there are probably the most pressing concern.
  • YamazukiYamazuki ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pailie wrote: »
    to be honest..enmasse isn't going to fix this event...its a complete waste of time to even complain anymore.

    It's a long weekend, and there's still plenty of time left of this event. You're going to just have to be patient and wait for something to be done.
  • VunakVunak ✭✭✭
    I find it pretty disappointing that some of the items are untradeable, especially some of the exclusive items that have never been released before.

    There is also a bug with the 10k reward credits where only 1 credit actually goes into your credit count if you claim it, happened to me.
  • vkobevkobe ✭✭✭✭✭
    since i won this cloud in one try with kyra potion i cant really complaint :3

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  • can someone tell me if channelwork catalyst only works for one character?
    i completed it ..and got catalyst..then i tried on my other 65 character on same server/acct..and it didnt work?

    is this normal or a bug?
  • WitchyGirl wrote: »
    can someone tell me if channelwork catalyst only works for one character?
    i completed it ..and got catalyst..then i tried on my other 65 character on same server/acct..and it didnt work?

    is this normal or a bug?

    The catalysts in Channelworks have only a chance to drop; it isn't guaranteed. So the fact you got it on one character and not on another is as expected.
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