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Archer Buff? I was hoping for more.

This has been my experience so far, fighting IoD BAMs

The 15% crit increase seems like a weak band-aid fix. It is noticeable fighting BAMs your level. Once you're fighting lvl 67/69 BAMs, I see almost no difference in side and back crits. Damage output drops considerably as well. I have 401 gear score, full Dreadnought set (masterworked & +12), 224 base crit that doubles with the Radiant Arrow glyph and about 140k in attack power. It took me 4 minutes to drop a Brutal Fimbrilisk. I had never crit for more than 2.2mil. I'm landing side & back hits at least 50% of the time, yet only critting maybe 1 out of 7-8 of those hits. :-(

It makes you wonder how thoroughly these fixes are tested before being rolled out to the servers. I think the problem also lies in how their damage is calculated. If Radiant Arrow doesn't crit, it does 300k or less in damage... overcharged. Really!? The friggin' auto attack is more lethal, if you can sit still long enough to squeeze out a few shots. Also, their stun attacks give you barely enough time to get out of the way, let alone set up for a long-cast stronger attack.

I'll admit... I haven't played Archer as much as the newer classes lately, so I'll continue to hone my skills to see if I can make the best of a bad situation. But I hope down the road, they take a deeper look at re-working this class to at least somewhat keep up with the newer classes.
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  • PaulisAwesomePaulisAwesome ✭✭✭
    edited July 2016
    Mandras wrote: »
    I'll admit... I haven't played Archer as much as the newer classes lately
    There you go, you just answered your own question.

    I'm seeing a trend where people are trying out older classes and yet they don't use good gear compared to their FOTM classes. Your Dreadnaught Archer won't do a thing unless you gear it like it's your main. Don't expect some miracle RNG crits if you don't use etchings and good jewelries.

    Just like how people are trying to play Sorcerers cause of the new crit chance but the trend I'm seeing here is, "I haven't played Sorc in a long time" excuse is not going to make you perform better in a short time compared to easy/newer classes. You got to put effort to see the results, not just your skills but also your gear.

    IoD bams isn't really a good way to measure performance. Get yourself out there in a real dungeon like SSHM and DS Uppers.


    This entirely; There's so many things that also go into an archer play style.
    DPS is heavily influenced by ping
    You haven't played in awhile, so are you just spamming skills or have a true rotation type setup?
    Any 'normal' class is going to take a bit of time to kill the harder IoD bams in I'm going to guess imporperly rolled dreadnaught gear and likely not the proper accessories.

    In a DSU run I crit up towards 80% of the time on bosses..I haven't gotten a chance into SSHM yet because well Highwatch is highwatch..
  • CatservantCatservant ✭✭✭✭
    Archer used to be my main and I've been gearing her up again in anticipation of this buff, so she is about = to my main gunner.

    I see red splashes a LOT more often now. Her CF is 231 base.

    And is it just me, or are they faster? Just running through town she seemed like a cheetah yesterday.
  • KimimishanKimimishan ✭✭✭
    Spoiled brat. UGH.
  • TuksTuks ✭✭
    archer farming Hydras.. wtf its wrong with u... the best class to farm those are Ninja>Brawler>Mystic>Warrior>Slayer>Zerker>Range classes
    i can clear the firt 6 stacks of bams "the hardest one", with my ninja in 27 mins, im imperator Ninja,, with my 3 brawlers takes me around 35-40 mins..
    maybe cuz they are SF+15.. with my war and slayer takes lke 45 50 mins, with my mystic around 40-45... with my gunner and arecher.. are a way harder cuz u need to reposition for bac crits.. with gunner its quite ezy.. but not faster like my war and my slayer..
  • DigivolveDigivolve ✭✭✭✭
    Are we really discussing dps balance and crits on IoD bams who just happen to have insane crit resist?
  • vkobevkobe ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tuks wrote: »
    archer farming Hydras.. wtf its wrong with u... the best class to farm those are Ninja>Brawler>Mystic>Warrior>Slayer>Zerker>Range classes
    i can clear the firt 6 stacks of bams "the hardest one", with my ninja in 27 mins, im imperator Ninja,, with my 3 brawlers takes me around 35-40 mins..
    maybe cuz they are SF+15.. with my war and slayer takes lke 45 50 mins, with my mystic around 40-45... with my gunner and arecher.. are a way harder cuz u need to reposition for bac crits.. with gunner its quite ezy.. but not faster like my war and my slayer..

    i am sure than gunner range have more dps than Mystic>Warrior>Slayer>Zerker>Range classes
  • Kira98Kira98 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2016
    If u are noob, It's not a problem of the Archer.
    I'm main Archer from 3 years and this buff is GOD. With good playstyle and good gear is easy farm all.
    With new passive i kill IOD Bams with 1 or 2 RoA combo, I use 240 crit rate + 15% Chance Crit = Ez
  • CezzareCezzare ✭✭✭
    I've experienced the change the other way around; it was very frustrating to charge (let alone overcharge) a radiant arrow only to see it not critting, right now almost everything I throw at the monster does crit. Also, level 401 says you're running with a pretty basic setup and you can't expect having a +15 performace; still, I think you're doing something wrong, fimbrilisks are easily the most annoying of tier 2 IoD BAMs but it shouldn't be taking you that long to kill one with an archer, practice a bit more.
  • Kira98Kira98 ✭✭✭
    Dont need use overcharge for IOD Bams.
    Use CQ-Stunning Trap-Backstep-RoA-TB (FS)-EP-RA (no overcharge)-RF and move behind from boss and CQ-Backstep-Concussion Trap-RoA-EP-RA (FS)-RF and repeat first combo.
    Basic combo.
    Only uses the time behind the BAM to do the maximum possible damage and dont spam skill in front. Use Stun skills and combo.

    FS=Final Salvo
    RF=Rapid Fire
    RoA=Rain of Arrow
    TB=Thunderbolt
    EP=Explosive Trap
    CQ=Close Quarters

    PA=Only use as filler. Spam RF is better (100% crit).
    Sure use Ensnaring Trap for debuff and Velik's Mark.
    If u have Power/Crit Brooch use with RoA-TB combo.

    btw. Sorry for my English is not my primary language.
  • XnnuiXnnui ✭✭
    Oh man, I never stopped playing my archer, and the difference is insane! Onyx Hydraths used to take about 20-25 minutes and now it's 15 minutes, maximum.
  • Mandras wrote: »
    This has been my experience so far, fighting IoD BAMs

    The 15% crit increase seems like a weak band-aid fix. It is noticeable fighting BAMs your level. Once you're fighting lvl 67/69 BAMs, I see almost no difference in side and back crits. Damage output drops considerably as well. I have 401 gear score, full Dreadnought set (masterworked & +12), 224 base crit that doubles with the Radiant Arrow glyph and about 140k in attack power. It took me 4 minutes to drop a Brutal Fimbrilisk. I had never crit for more than 2.2mil. I'm landing side & back hits at least 50% of the time, yet only critting maybe 1 out of 7-8 of those hits. :-(

    It makes you wonder how thoroughly these fixes are tested before being rolled out to the servers. I think the problem also lies in how their damage is calculated. If Radiant Arrow doesn't crit, it does 300k or less in damage... overcharged. Really!? The friggin' auto attack is more lethal, if you can sit still long enough to squeeze out a few shots. Also, their stun attacks give you barely enough time to get out of the way, let alone set up for a long-cast stronger attack.

    I'll admit... I haven't played Archer as much as the newer classes lately, so I'll continue to hone my skills to see if I can make the best of a bad situation. But I hope down the road, they take a deeper look at re-working this class to at least somewhat keep up with the newer classes.

    i Have an archer on VoT and i see ur point it doesnt seem like much of a buff i even tested nocts

  • NopiNopi ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2016
    One thing. Don't overcharge. Waste of time in pretty much every situation. OC is used to hold onto an attack to position yourself. Second. 401 might mean you are missing something in jewelry, brooch or innerwear. But....

    I see people underestimating DN's performance against IoD bams. A properly rolled (key words properly rolled) DN set can do really well against even T3s. Better against T2s which was the example OP used. I know because I have done it and I'm not a pro. So. Back to OP.

    First start by rolling your weapon for enraged + flat + atk speed (for your charged skills to charge faster). Roll chest for the skill you use most (usually one of the charges or RoA). Etching is good but we are talking about DN here. Waste of etchings unless you are filthy rich. Also make sure your boot and gloves are perfect rolled as well. No reason why they shouldn't. And if you have some SES around, try to roll your accessories for ctit factor if you haven't done so. You can easily farm two pieces of shadowgate accessories and use them alongside your corvette stuff for a small increase in CF. If archer is your main, farm shadowvain(and maze from pvp) instead.

    When fighting IoD, of course try to attack from behind or side, but if the bam is being way too stubborn (as they sometimes give the player more back time than other times) the key is to be very aggressive. Time spent not attacking because trying to get behind a too stubborn bam is time wasted. So pop a few quick attacks from any direction as your stuns cool down, then prompt for him to attack(by entering his attack zone**, usually in the front), evade through him while he's locked in attack animation, stun, and toss your power hits.

    **Note that when I say attack zone, is not the mark in the ground that tells the range of his attack. I mean, step in a place you know he will attack forward instead of being forced to turn around or run.

    As always, these are all based on my experience and opinions. Your mileage may vary and there may be better opinions from better players out there. Have fun! :3

    And also, since I haven't used my archer in awhile and I just logged on it. Did you actually BUY the crackshot passive from your skills window? it's not automatically added.
  • Thank you everyone for the input and advice.

    I'm not giving up on my archer anytime soon. Of course... I never intended to stay in DN gear forever. I just thought with my current gear / rolls / stats, it might have been a little easier. I'd be an imbecile to expect anywhere close to even 5mil crits in that gear. I was just expecting a little more frequency. Getting my Brawler through IoD, into DN and then into Slaughter gear was much faster / less painful. She is practically god-like now (dropping onyx hydraths in 30-40 sec. w/o a keen mote, 1/2 MW'd Slaughter set). She crits like crazy, yet her crit is 30% lower than my archer. ~shrugs~ I'll re-think my strategy, avoid overcharging, work in some skills that sucked a long time ago (i.e. Rapid Fire) & push to get into the next tier gear ASAP.
  • PaulisAwesomePaulisAwesome ✭✭✭
    edited July 2016
    Mandras wrote: »
    Thank you everyone for the input and advice.

    I'm not giving up on my archer anytime soon. Of course... I never intended to stay in DN gear forever. I just thought with my current gear / rolls / stats, it might have been a little easier. I'd be an imbecile to expect anywhere close to even 5mil crits in that gear. I was just expecting a little more frequency. Getting my Brawler through IoD, into DN and then into Slaughter gear was much faster / less painful. She is practically god-like now (dropping onyx hydraths in 30-40 sec. w/o a keen mote, 1/2 MW'd Slaughter set). She crits like crazy, yet her crit is 30% lower than my archer. ~shrugs~ I'll re-think my strategy, avoid overcharging, work in some skills that sucked a long time ago (i.e. Rapid Fire) & push to get into the next tier gear ASAP.

    Rapid fire is your #2 dps skill if you have the ping for it...
    and it's been a really good skill to use for a long while now(since p2p days)
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