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Etching Price Discussion

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  • LionadiasLionadias ✭✭
    edited July 2016
    Ketoth wrote: »
    The main reason is people are not running enough GG. The price went up because people have designs now and new VM7 gear that need etch.
    Is just a question of supply and demand. If that is the price of the etch 3, there are people buying at that price.

    Thats why in my previous comment I said, put in dungeons that are more frequently ran. Just because supply and demand is a thing doesn't mean that is an answer and it is a correct answer. We currently are in massive shortage through the titan embers, the prices are high because of that. The prices shouldn't be this high period.

    Titan eases are currently more obtainable through a way that people who don't even want these materials are getting them, so these people that have little care on how much they might be able to get out of them, and on how common they are, put titan eases on the broker not thinking about the price to just get rid of them, thus making the armor etchings way cheaper.
  • Mobius1Mobius1 ✭✭✭
    If demand was the main issue, then armor etchings would be 200k+. But they're not, because eases are easier to get.

    This PROVES that the main problem is the Titans Ember supply, and not demand.
  • titan ease supply is limitless!!! Dont you understand that? The moment you cap out on VG credits, everything else starts throwing you titan ease when somebody could over and over farm for. Titan embers on the other hands only have few ways of obtainining and its thru ghilie that majority of exp players know the overall rewards are not worth wasting time on it. while ace medals rewards are way too overpriced.

    So to fix the problem a good way is to make titan embers more easily obtained in way people can get without wanting them/endless through vanguards perhaps just like eases or maybe just drop in every lower tier dungeon that new players tend to run and also the higher tier dungeons as well? this would in fact make the prices go down.
  • NektorNektor ✭✭✭
    edited July 2016
    Cuatal wrote: »
    god i hate the people who eat Peking Duck as their official food

    Etching prices have gone up a large amount. I think a way we can fix this is to add Titan Ember as a post Vanguard reward kind of .....

    No, that wont fix it. As far as we talking of etching being a complete RNG based profession. Scarab, white denrite, pure titan ease an pure fire are product of crit (RNG). Those items are needed to craft an etching, a TEMP one for 3 days. Now to get perma one, one has to crit on etching.

    So its all about RNG. Not the availability of titan ease or titan fire.

    There is a simple solution, rework those formulas or make those items obtainable other ways then criting on crafting.

  • Nektor wrote: »

    No, that wont fix it. As far as we talking of etching being a complete RNG based profession. Scarab, white denrite, pure titan ease an pure fire are product of crit (RNG). Those items are needed to craft an etching, a TEMP one for 3 days. Now to get perma one, one has to crit on etching.

    So its all about RNG.

    There is a simple solution, rework those formulas or make those items obtainable other ways then criting on crafting.

    Yes creating such a surplus in the item could substantially make the price of etching 3s go down. otherwise armor etching would be 200k as well. If they don't want to touch formulas they do not have to at all. All they have to do is decrease the price of the supplies by putting a surplus into the market by making it easier to obtain the items.
  • NektorNektor ✭✭✭
    edited July 2016
    Lionadias wrote: »

    Yes creating such a surplus in the item could substantially make the price of etching 3s go down. otherwise armor etching would be 200k as well. If they don't want to touch formulas they do not have to at all. All they have to do is decrease the price of the supplies by putting a surplus into the market by making it easier to obtain the items.

    Did you read what i wrote? For perma etch 3 one need pure titans, then he/she needs to crit on crafting to get perma etching.

    Price doesn't come to 1 try, price is accumulated tries to crit +profit +demand.

    The huge part of it is 'tries to crit'

  • Nektor wrote: »
    Did you read what i wrote? For perma etch 3 one need pure titans, then he/she needs to crit on crafting to get perma etching.

    Price doesn't come to 1 try, price is accumulated tries to crit +profit +demand.

    The huge part of it is 'tries to crit'

    And yes which is the same for armor etching 3s, but armor etching 3s is 50k-70k
  • NektorNektor ✭✭✭
    edited July 2016
    Lionadias wrote: »
    Nektor wrote: »
    Did you read what i wrote? For perma etch 3 one need pure titans, then he/she needs to crit on crafting to get perma etching.

    Price doesn't come to 1 try, price is accumulated tries to crit +profit +demand.

    The huge part of it is 'tries to crit'

    And yes which is the same for armor etching 3s, but armor etching 3s is 50k-70k

    believe you or not, crit % on etches that are made from ease (products of ease) are significantly higher, then ones you get from titan fire.

    I crit or refining ease about 1 outta 10-20. Titan fire >.< if i get 1 outta 50-60 tries I'm happy. I don't craft t3s cos too poor for that. But i refine for t2s.

    Pure titan ease is being sold for 1-1.5k, Pure titan fire i easily sell for 12k.

    Supply of fire is fine, belive me. GG and FWC are more then enough

  • LionadiasLionadias ✭✭
    edited July 2016
    Nektor wrote: »

    believe you or not, crit % on etches that are made from ease (products of ease) are significantly higher, then ones you get from titan fire.

    I crit or refining ease about 1 outta 10-20. Titan fire >.< if i get 1 outta 50-60 tries I'm happy. I don't craft t3s cos too poor for that. But i refine for t2s.

    Pure titan ease is being sold for 1-1.5k, Pure titan fire i easily sell for 12k.

    Supply of fire is fine, belive me. GG and FWC are more then enough

    If you look at patch notes they are said to have the same chances, there was never anything about them having different % chances they even had a patch to increase the crit's of t3 etchings. Embers should be the same as eases. They are the same crit chances. The only supply is GG and fwc, after u finish all ur vanguards. I only know few people who spam those enough to really get an amount that matters. and if for some reason they lied about %'s not being the same with embers and eases, then they could fix that easily without out changing the % by making a lot more drop from other dungeons that are more frequently ran like DFnm DFHM, SSHM, SSnm, MM. DSL, DSU.
  • NektorNektor ✭✭✭
    Lionadias wrote: »

    If you look at patch notes they are said to have the same chances, there was never anything about them having different % chances they even h....

    So I have to believe to patch notes but not own experience? Here is what, roll master on etching try to crit, then we talk

  • YamazukiYamazuki ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nektor wrote: »
    Lionadias wrote: »

    If you look at patch notes they are said to have the same chances, there was never anything about them having different % chances they even h....

    So I have to believe to patch notes but not own experience? Here is what, roll master on etching try to crit, then we talk

    Even if they're the same you can't expect the same outcome... This is why for example when it comes to enchanting you have people who get to 15 in 10 tries and others who exceed 200 tries. It's the same for everyone, but due to rng being rng you end up with very different results each time.
  • Nektor wrote: »

    Did you read what i wrote? For perma etch 3 one need pure titans, then he/she needs to crit on crafting to get perma etching.

    Price doesn't come to 1 try, price is accumulated tries to crit +profit +demand.

    The huge part of it is 'tries to crit'

    Actually, for T3 Perm etch it needs 2 Pure Titans.

    But besides the point that Ember is not as easily obtain as Ease, most people will always upgrade Weapon first especially those who have limited funds or mats for VM equipments. Hence this adds to more demand on the Titan Ember side of lack of supply. If they're not adjusting the crit rate, then as most users above suggested...more efficient ways to farm Ember.
  • Nektor wrote: »
    Lionadias wrote: »
    Nektor wrote: »
    Did you read what i wrote? For perma etch 3 one need pure titans, then he/she needs to crit on crafting to get perma etching.

    Price doesn't come to 1 try, price is accumulated tries to crit +profit +demand.

    The huge part of it is 'tries to crit'

    And yes which is the same for armor etching 3s, but armor etching 3s is 50k-70k

    believe you or not, crit % on etches that are made from ease (products of ease) are significantly higher, then ones you get from titan fire.

    I crit or refining ease about 1 outta 10-20. Titan fire >.< if i get 1 outta 50-60 tries I'm happy. I don't craft t3s cos too poor for that. But i refine for t2s.

    Pure titan ease is being sold for 1-1.5k, Pure titan fire i easily sell for 12k.

    Supply of fire is fine, belive me. GG and FWC are more then enough

    So... can I get like a source from where you got this percentage from Nektor?
  • Lol nope.. pure ease don't have the same rate has pure fires.

    Trust me I've tried for a single pure fire with over 200 embers and not seen an single one. But gotten many pure eases with much less amount. From my experience etching I can safely say pure titan's fire have a waaaaaaaaaay lower rate than critting a II etching. So with such a low crit rate It's no surprise the prices are so high. Specially since you need 2 pure fire for 1 III attempt!

  • I find this particularly funny...
    Titan ember are easily obtainable in Ghilliaglade and people say it is not worthy to do it,
    the same people that don't want to pay 150k on weap/glove etch 3
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