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Reaper Rotation

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  • ChiSauChiSau ✭✭
    edited July 2016
    @navjack27

    Just did DFHM. Here's the meter for last boss. Not my best parse, but a good enough representation.

    Had double healer, zerk tank, warrior in the party, charms, everful nostrum and canephora potion.

    3f3540a7-1142-4ef4-b7cf-1db4d492d5c6_zpsjnboujcg.png

    Edit: added the part about zerk tank/warr in party
  • navjack27navjack27
    edited July 2016
    Greystrike wrote: »
    @navjack27

    Just did DFHM. Here's the meter for last boss. Not my best parse, but a good enough representation.

    Had double healer party, charms, everful nostrum and canephora potion.

    3f3540a7-1142-4ef4-b7cf-1db4d492d5c6_zpsjnboujcg.png

    ah nice! validation! if i can get a good group to do a hard mode i'll do the same buffs and post.
    Darkomax wrote: »
    Sorry to say that but you're pretty awful at reaper.

    i'm sure that i'm straight up trash dude. thanks for the input into this discussion! i have no idea why i keep being told this over and over when i haven't been the weak link in a dungeon for DAYS. in fact, my entire GUILD gets told how horrible we are, but the core members that play consistently together every night, again, end up being the top contributors in dungeons. as far as i know instance matching is cross server, so i'm covered in that kind of situation. also, using LFG in Highwatch usually gives similar results.
    TWMagimay wrote: »
    navjack27 wrote: »
    here i'll prove not one way or another


    What is it that you were trying to prove?

    i'm trying to show that contrary to what has been commented about my reaper advice (that its totally incorrect) in fact there is nothing wrong with it and that it is equal to the most popular reaper guide pretty much.
  • ChiSauChiSau ✭✭
    edited July 2016
    @navjack27

    Nothing wrong with playing Reaper the way you want, but it is wrong to claim that your way is equally as effective as the way Redstrike's guide teaches.

    Redstrike has been working with Reaper rotations and builds sinces the class was released. That, plus the numerous high score runs that he has been apart of, gives him more credibility than 99% of the reapers in Tera.

    As a result, no one will take you seriously unless you can show DPS meters and high score runs that break the meta & prove that your playstyle is superior/equal to Redstrike's guide. Unfortunately, your video did not do that.

    I still mean no harm. Just trying to help you understand why people are dissing you: because IT IS VERY UNLIKELY THAT YOUR SETUP IS EQUAL TO REDSTRIKE'S, yet you claim it is without adeqaute evidence.

    Not only is Redstrike one of Tera's topplayers, other top-level players vouche for him also.

    In conclusion, you can say what you want and post videos of your gameplay but, if you can't provide what redstrike/other skilled players can as evidence of their skill/knowledge, then people will not take you seriously when you make these types of claims.
  • aeee98aeee98 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2016
    Super out of topic, but first run I almost stopped watching just because Archer didn't do glyphed trap nor velik's mark (unless its because I am blind or something).

    Second run Priest didn't TN from what I see, not sure if it is intentional or that I am blind again.

    Anyways, when you said that is low FPS I flipped, prolly cuz I got used to clearing dungeons below 20 FPS.

  • I'm just a noob reaper and my glyph are like redstrike ones with some variations, i should use his glyph as my reaper- i read the guide and now understand :> never had interest on reaper till now CoONv_jXgAA4KcR.jpg:large

  • StarbuzzStarbuzz ✭✭✭
    edited July 2016
    What I really don't get is why you don't use the reset glyph for Grim Strike. I just find it very hard to believe given the same situation with party comps, you will not be as optimal as per say Redstrike's setup. If you like it then keep doing what you are doing, but if you want to do more I would at least take a look at an optimal glyph page.
  • REDSTRIIIIIIKE
  • TWMagimayTWMagimay ✭✭✭✭✭
    navjack27 wrote: »
    i'm trying to show that contrary to what has been commented about my reaper advice (that its totally incorrect) in fact there is nothing wrong with it and that it is equal to the most popular reaper guide pretty much.

    Well, I can't recheck the video since you conviniently took it down but, from what I remember, your dps was about 30-40% of what an equally-geared reaper following Redstrike's guide can do. I'd hardly call that "equal"...
  • FelipeThomazFelipeThomaz ✭✭
    edited July 2016
    If everything is alright with no boss movements, then spiral - shear - grim - sundering - spiral - (shear - grim if you got a grim reset but if you don't then) - whipsaw - cable - shadow burst works to me.

    But that's because I really save retribution and pendulum to move around. You can't start like that, as a starter it's usually better cable - pendulum to get backwards and whipsaw - cable - burst.

    These are my choices adapted to my hardware, but based on advanced reapers guide already commented here.

    My rotation is simple when you have shadow reaping buff: grim - sundering - whipsaw - burst. The dps besties.

    Reaper is a class that like warrior can have benefits from cdr, attack speed and rotations and must be adapted to ping. Maybe what I wrote here is not the best to you. Also, I'm just getting my mojo right now. Made a 9kk grim strike yesterday and maybe I'm kinda delusional about my talent. Lol

    @navjack27 I love people that don't backup from the debate, it's original and classy with harsh comments, but there's mean and there's nice critics. Some people said the real t and are trying to help. Watch out and pay the rude ones no mind. Because they are using your stream and your experience to reinforce and remember what they know. At least. So... Nice work anyways. :pleased:
  • navjack27 wrote: »
    this is my rotation lJoeNhl.jpg remember to set ur powerlinks and dont use spacebar use the buttons you have assigned to ur bar

    lets say i'm going to verno, i start out with 8 (shadow reaping) and then do 1-4 over and over and once i'm getting half way thru the shadow reaping time i do 5-7 until i runs out and then once its out i do 1-4 and then mouse 5 (cable step) and f2 and f3 then rotate that back to 1-4 5-7 shadow reaping once the cd is over etc etc

    You might be willing to ignore the other helpful guide but I wouldn't really recommend ignoring this one:

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12440/windows-10-activation

    It's the same way for older versions of windows too. Unless for some reason you don't have a product key???
  • Duke9222Duke9222 ✭✭
    edited August 2016
    ChiSau wrote: »
    @navjack27 what is "great" to you?

    If you use his glyphs and master the skill priority system you should do more DPS than w/e you're doing now.

    Unless someone proves otherwise, redstrike's guide is optimal. Believe what you want though, ofc.

    (warning: I'm a relatively new Reaper, with full Slaughter gear +12 so far, but I'm not a hardcore player, I feel kinda slow/challenged when it comes to learning more about this awesome game)

    I've had to switch to a different rotation after using redstrike's guide*. I honestly might be doing it wrong, but it just seems I can't get the flow/rhythm right. The order takes too long when I do it. For example, Pendulum kicks you back further than the necessary 8m, so you have to take time to move up to employ Whipsaw (unless you always start attacking at 2m, then it throws you back to 8m).

    My current rotation is: spiral>shear>spiral>grim>grim(as long as it resets)>sundering>pendulum>whipsaw>cable>shadowburst

    Question: When you're shadow reaping, what's the best rotation? I pretty much just hit spiral, shear, grim, sundering, repeat like a madman unless enemy moves further than 8m, in which case i'll go Cable Step...can somebody school me on this?

    Maybe I should have started a different thread, but anyway, thanks in advance guys!

    EDIT: My bad y'all, I read like the first few replies, got enthusiastic and wrote mine. Having read it all, there is actually a whole bunch of good tips and answers to my questions. I would, however, still like some tips as to how I can improve the flow of Redstrike's rotation guide. Thanks


    *http://www.essentialmana.com/redstrikes-advanced-reaper-guide/
  • ChiSauChiSau ✭✭
    edited August 2016
    @Duke9222

    Go to Redstrike's guide and look at the part about "infinite rotation". Watch the video. It shows him doing a full (ideal) Reaper rotation, and it flows pretty nicely. Watch it over and over and keep that rotation in mind. Most times you won't get to use the full rotation because of boss mechanics, but focus on trying to chain together the same skills you see him doing.

    For clarification, this is his rotation in the video: pend -> whip -> shear -> grim -> sunder -> cable (cancels long animation of sunder) -> burst -> spiral (cancels burst's long animation & makes the next combo start faster) -> shear -> grim -> spiral -> pend -> whip -> shear -> grim -> shadow lash. If you add in all of the boss mechanics you have in dungeons, you should (most of the time) have enough skills off CD to have a good flow to your rotation.

    Try to chain together skills the way the video shows. Use death spiral to cancel sunder/burst's long finishing animations. You can also use pendulum, cable step and shadow step to cancel sunder/burst's finishing animations. Also try to use death spiral to start your shear -> grim -> sunder and grim -> sunder combos. It makes the combo chain better off of other skills. All of these things can make the rotation flow nicely. You will learn the best time to use them as you get more familiar with the class. The better your timing, the better the flow of your rotation.

    Just watch that video and log into your Reaper. Copy it and go over it . As long as you have the proper attack speed and CDR rolls (you will if you have copied Redstrike's Guide), then you should be able to match the rotation shown.

    Reaping rotation: Pend -> Whip -> Grim -> Sunder -> Repeat or redstrike has an alternate one posted on his guide.

    As for my credibility: I posted my DPS from last boss DFHM earlier in this thread. While not my best parse from that boss, I think it's a good enough representation of my ability to play Reaper efficiently. And I must say, it is very smooth and flows well majority of the time once you get use to it. I uttilize Redstrike's guide 100%.
  • ChiSau wrote: »
    @Duke9222

    Go to Redstrike's guide and look at the part about "infinite rotation". Watch the video. It shows him doing a full (ideal) Reaper rotation, and it flows pretty nicely. Watch it over and over and keep that rotation in mind. Most times you won't get to use the full rotation because of boss mechanics, but focus on trying to chain together the same skills you see him doing.

    For clarification, this is his rotation in the video: pend -> whip -> shear -> grim -> sunder -> cable (cancels long animation of sunder) -> burst -> spiral (cancels burst's long animation & makes the next combo start faster) -> shear -> grim -> spiral -> pend -> whip -> shear -> grim -> shadow lash. If you add in all of the boss mechanics you have in dungeons, you should (most of the time) have enough skills off CD to have a good flow to your rotation.

    Try to chain together skills the way the video shows. Use death spiral to cancel sunder/burst's long finishing animations. You can also use pendulum, cable step and shadow step to cancel sunder/burst's finishing animations. Also try to use death spiral to start your shear -> grim -> sunder and grim -> sunder combos. It makes the combo chain better off of other skills. All of these things can make the rotation flow nicely. You will learn the best time to use them as you get more familiar with the class. The better your timing, the better the flow of your rotation.

    Just watch that video and log into your Reaper. Copy it and go over it . As long as you have the proper attack speed and CDR rolls (you will if you have copied Redstrike's Guide), then you should be able to match the rotation shown.

    Reaping rotation: Pend -> Whip -> Grim -> Sunder -> Repeat or redstrike has an alternate one posted on his guide.

    As for my credibility: I posted my DPS from last boss DFHM earlier in this thread. While not my best parse from that boss, I think it's a good enough representation of my ability to play Reaper efficiently. And I must say, it is very smooth and flows well majority of the time once you get use to it. I uttilize Redstrike's guide 100%.

    Excellent explanations, and thank you. I plan on doing all you suggested.

    P.S. I like your SN, I'm a fan of Wing Chun.
  • ChiSauChiSau ✭✭
    edited August 2016
    Glad I could help some. Reaper can be a lot of fun to play.

    Wow, you're the first person to understand my name. Kudos. I love Wing Chun.
  • Duke9222Duke9222 ✭✭
    edited August 2016
    @ChiSau

    Ok I've been working on that for about 2 hours. It is...becoming more smooth I suppose, still have much practice to do.

    Couple things I'm confused about and another couple questions:

    1. Everyone is using the acronym "CD." what is that?

    2. I don't understand what "slaying" rotation is, as opposed to a non-slaying rotation. School me?

    3. One of my initial flow concerns was that Pend knocks you back a ways, then you'd have to shadow step to get closer. Redstrike says, "The reason why you would have to expend 2 stacks of Shadow Step is because of the initial Pendulum Strike displacement from the beginning of the combo." Does that mean that, even while shadow reaping, he uses shadow step BETWEEN Pend>Whip?

    4. He says, " For example, if you open up with (A) and the boss turns around, then you’re screwed because if you decide to use any other skill, you’re going to front crit. If you decide to chase the back, then you’re going to run out of skills to re-position yourself in the next few seconds." What does "front crit mean?"

    5. I wish he had a video on what his Chained Skills order looks like. Does he use chained skills hotkey for some things or does he just do everything manually?

    6. I have full +12 slaughter gear, but I don't know if my rolls are optimal. Is there a guide for the best reaper rolls for slaughter gear? Is crit factor more important than damage? Without any buffs, my stats are:

    Attack: 80,132 +36870
    Defense: 28,637 +9163
    Impact: 34,390
    Balance: 59,903 +9983
    Crit Factor: 52.0 +187.0
    Crit Resist Factor: 74.0 +102.0
    Crit Power: 2.0 +0.31 time

    What can I improve upon?

    Thanks ChiSau!

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