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  • DokibunDokibun ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2016
    I'm pretty bad at putting my thoughts into words, so apologies in advance if this sounds absolutely awful.

    I personally think that you should cater to what the people of HW want more than the people of LoT or VoT. Now, put your pitchforks down, let me explain why.

    It's no question that HW is dead, but in comparison, the other two servers are ghost towns. That makes HW the majority in this situation. If the majority wants a PVE server, then you should probably cater to that majority.

    If HW is excluded from this server merge and you only merge LoT and VoT, congratulations, you have a slightly less dead PVP server. If you do that, you might as well merge these servers with MT.

    The idea of the PVP65 server sounds nice in theory, but when you have a server that didn't sign up for PVP being forced into a server that is now PVP, rather at level 65 or not, it leaves a pretty bad taste in your mouth. This in result could mean that people leave, which is the opposite of what the merge is supposed to do, since it's supposed to boost population. HW, while it is definitely not a large population of active players, can survive for a little while longer. LoT/VoT cannot.

    A suggestion is that you could merge HW/AV and merge LoT/VoT/MT. AV, from what I hear, is kinda struggling in comparison to large PVE servers like TR and CH. The small population of HW could benefit from being merged with AV, and then they would still be in a PVE server. LoT/VoT/MT would make MT larger, but considering they have an abyssal amount of players it won't actually matter that much, and everyone gets to stay in their preferred type of server.

    So, in the end, you're not only catering to only HW. You're catering to 4 semi-dead or completely dead servers.

    tl;dr

    Merge AV and HW. Result: PVE for already PVE servers, boosted population. YAY!

    Merge VoT and LoT with MT. Result: PVP for already PVP server, MT's population boosted VERY slightly. YAY!
  • Mobius1Mobius1 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2016
    @Pantsu I've played on a PvP server for over 4 years, and have been PKed (well, attempted to be PKed, at least) more times than I could count, just doing my own thing.

    I went afk over at the Baraka corpse quest just the other day, and came back dead. I also have ran into a PKer collecting engine parts at least 3 or 4 times, and I very rarely do that quest (Just using that as an example, since someone specifically mentioned it.).

    Personally, I love that there are PKers. But I chose a PvP server willfully.

    And as I said in my earlier post - PKers can change channels too.

    I just recently killed an outlaw PKer who attacked me while doing the kill archers quest (vanguard daily), in channel 3, for example.

    If it was a PvE player with no PvP gear, then they'd be the one doing the dying.
  • PalochiPalochi ✭✭✭
    @vkobe
    You dont get it lol
    But well w/e..that just shows that you really wont change your mind no matter what, no point in trying to argue.
    Btw im from a PvE server.
    So i would be fine if my PvE server became PvE.
    The Glorious Argument doesnt work with me sadly.
    And it wasnt me who said Highwatch is dying, it was ppl from your server with multiple threads asking for a server merge. I have only a low level alt, i know what i see here and what ppl say here about Highwatch is that its dead.
  • PagesPages ✭✭✭✭
    vkobe wrote: »
    Palochi wrote: »
    vkobe wrote: »

    i prefer to save highwatch and sacrifice vot and lot, so merge highwatch with pve server and good luck to vot and lot in their new server, if they fail too bad for them, they are not our problem and enmasse shoud not force us to share their problem with us

    VoT and LoT are saving themselves with this lol
    By not merging HW, probably HW is the server going to die.
    And dont think a merge to another PvE server will come in fast for HW..other server's populations are fine.
    If letting your server die for your own reasons is better than merging with something that will be actually good to most of the ppl, then its pointless to keep arguing because you wont change your mind no matter what ppl say.
    Just dont make it look like youre talking for Highwatch, youre talking for yourself until proven wrong

    and you dont look you talk for us, majority people from highwatch dont want to be merged with your server and anyway for 10th time you didnt answer this question how you will react if the new server is pve server or if they force your server to be pve ?

    "How will you react if the new server is PVE Server or if they force your server to be PVE?"

    A PVE server affects PVP players because it removes an element of the game. A PVP server, on the other hand, does not remove any element, but rather adds a new element. This new element (PVP/Outlaw Declaration) is optional and can be completely avoided. Therefor, changing a server from PVP to PVE is much more inconvenient than changing one from PVE to PVP.

    However, in this situation, if it was required for this server merge, most people wouldn't even be against turning the server into a PVE server. Here's what you don't understand: PVP players are also losing on this merge.

    They are changing our PVP system. They are removing the leveling PVP in order to cater to HW players more, they are doing that FOR YOU.

    At the end of the day, if you still don't believe this merge is beneficial because of PVP, you are hurting yourself, you are hurting your server, you are hurting the game.
  • vkobevkobe ✭✭✭✭✭
    Aryix wrote: »
    vkobe wrote: »

    i prefer to save highwatch and sacrifice vot and lot, so merge highwatch with pve server and good luck to vot and lot in their new server, if they fail too bad for them, they are not our problem and enmasse shoud not force us to share their problem with us

    You are ACTUALLY asking for Highwatch to remain dead. They are considering HW to merge with other servers equally as empty to create a server that is somewhat decently populated with people that can actually clear end game content. It is for everyone's benefit.

    I'd rather have the 3 servers merge if it means there will be more people.


    @vkobe If you fail on the new pvp server and die, well you are not my problem and you shouldn't force your problem onto me tbh

    it is why i suggest to merge highwatch with another pve server, because highwatch future is better with another pve server than with lot and vot

    maybe, but i guarantee you than enmasse and people in the new server will suffer more, because many player will just quit the new server, because enmasse change the rule about pve/pvp server and i am not surprise if the new server will die in 6 months and just look what enmasse decision bring us now in the last 12 months, you really think the new server will save lot, vot like when enmasse create highwatch and let free transfert to mount tyranna one year ago ? :)

    sincerely have fun to watch the fall of your new server since than you admit than vot and lot are unable to keep alive the new server
  • DokibunDokibun ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2016
    A TL;DR of my post on page 45;

    Merge AV and HW. Result: PVE for already PVE servers, boosted population. YAY!

    Merge VoT and LoT with MT. Result: PVP for already PVP server, MT's population boosted VERY slightly. YAY!
  • CezzareCezzare ✭✭✭
    Goddamnit, people, MT is already crowded just like TR, why do you keep suggesting to merge with it? xD
  • Mobius1Mobius1 ✭✭✭
    @Dokibun Agreed. It truly is the most FAIR solution.

    It may be tough because of name issues, but it will be the most fair.

    It will also be saving time, since in the end, it will happen anyways, in the future.
  • DokibunDokibun ✭✭✭✭
    Cezzare wrote: »
    Goddamnit, people, MT is already crowded just like TR, why do you keep suggesting to merge with it? xD

    Because being crowded is being better than dead. LoT and VoT are so [filtered] dead and small that if they merge with MT, MT won't even notice xD
  • PagesPages ✭✭✭✭
    Dokibun wrote: »
    A TL;DR of my post on page 45;

    Merge AV and HW. Result: PVE for already PVE servers, boosted population. YAY!

    Merge VoT and LoT with MT. Result: PVP for already PVP server, MT's population boosted VERY slightly. YAY!

    The problem with these ideas is that you create unnecessarily conflicts for the servers you are merging to.

    AV and MT do not need merges. Yes, I understand that AV does not have TR/CH population, but its population is the true definition of "Low Population" versus LoT/VoT/HW "Dead Population".

    You create name conflicts, you create guild name conflicts, character slot conflicts, etc. every time you merge servers. Merging with servers that do not need these conflicts is causing more problems than necessary. There is a solution that has been given and people won't accept it because they want everything to be 100% in their favor.

    This merge won't make everyone 100% happy but the way it is written out would actually make most people mostly happy.
  • Cezzare wrote: »
    Goddamnit, people, MT is already crowded just like TR, why do you keep suggesting to merge with it? xD

    Let some MT people transfer for free to HW.
  • vkobevkobe ✭✭✭✭✭
    Palochi wrote: »
    @vkobe
    You dont get it lol
    But well w/e..that just shows that you really wont change your mind no matter what, no point in trying to argue.
    Btw im from a PvE server.
    So i would be fine if my PvE server became PvE.
    The Glorious Argument doesnt work with me sadly.
    And it wasnt me who said Highwatch is dying, it was ppl from your server with multiple threads asking for a server merge. I have only a low level alt, i know what i see here and what ppl say here about Highwatch is that its dead.

    i dont remember they asked to be merged with lot or vot, they asked to be merged with pve server or a free transfert
  • SigrutasSigrutas
    edited July 2016
    I don't speak for the entirety of the server but most if not all the members of my guild play on a pve server to avoid world pvp, im not saying that we dont participate in pvp such as battlegrounds and in the alliance territory but those things are relatively structured. I havn't played on any of tera pvp servers so I don't know if its completely open pvp or if they have a toggle. If the open world pvp isn't optional via a toggle/flag system then keep world pvp off pve servers even if highwatch doesn't get merged with another pve server later on down the road so what we have our little gem that we play on. A world we call home and we like it the way that it is.

    I havn't checked but if you cant move characters freely from server to server in the event that you decide to make world pvp a aspect in our pve server you should at least offer players a free transfer of several if not all characters to a pve server . that is my two cents.
  • CezzareCezzare ✭✭✭
    Dokibun wrote: »
    Cezzare wrote: »
    Goddamnit, people, MT is already crowded just like TR, why do you keep suggesting to merge with it? xD

    Because being crowded is being better than dead. LoT and VoT are so [filtered] dead and small that if they merge with MT, MT won't even notice xD

    But EME already stated there's a technical reason to not merge any of the other servers, and that's because they're already working at more than full capacity: http://tera.enmasse.com/news/posts/new-pve-server-highwatch
  • vkobevkobe ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pages wrote: »
    vkobe wrote: »
    Palochi wrote: »
    vkobe wrote: »

    i prefer to save highwatch and sacrifice vot and lot, so merge highwatch with pve server and good luck to vot and lot in their new server, if they fail too bad for them, they are not our problem and enmasse shoud not force us to share their problem with us

    VoT and LoT are saving themselves with this lol
    By not merging HW, probably HW is the server going to die.
    And dont think a merge to another PvE server will come in fast for HW..other server's populations are fine.
    If letting your server die for your own reasons is better than merging with something that will be actually good to most of the ppl, then its pointless to keep arguing because you wont change your mind no matter what ppl say.
    Just dont make it look like youre talking for Highwatch, youre talking for yourself until proven wrong

    and you dont look you talk for us, majority people from highwatch dont want to be merged with your server and anyway for 10th time you didnt answer this question how you will react if the new server is pve server or if they force your server to be pve ?

    "How will you react if the new server is PVE Server or if they force your server to be PVE?"

    A PVE server affects PVP players because it removes an element of the game. A PVP server, on the other hand, does not remove any element, but rather adds a new element. This new element (PVP/Outlaw Declaration) is optional and can be completely avoided. Therefor, changing a server from PVP to PVE is much more inconvenient than changing one from PVE to PVP.

    However, in this situation, if it was required for this server merge, most people wouldn't even be against turning the server into a PVE server. Here's what you don't understand: PVP players are also losing on this merge.

    They are changing our PVP system. They are removing the leveling PVP in order to cater to HW players more, they are doing that FOR YOU.

    At the end of the day, if you still don't believe this merge is beneficial because of PVP, you are hurting yourself, you are hurting your server, you are hurting the game.

    again if they remove the pvp in your server what will you do the day after ? do you will stay or you just quit tera ?
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