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SF +15 vs conflate +12 weapon in PvP VM8 patch?

KetiKeti
edited July 2016 in PvP Discussion
So I know currently SF +15 is generally superior to conflate due to the extra lines it has... But next gear patch conflate weapon will get a roughly 8% boost to its base attack modifier, while conflate armor will get nearly 20% boost. I feel pretty confident in saying conflate armor will be significantly better for PvP than +15 SF once the patch hits. But how do you guys feel about the weapons now?

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  • NikuroTegaNikuroTega ✭✭✭✭
    I believe SF+15 will still have a bit of an advantage because of the extra roll and hammerstrike. Buffed Conflate will be perfect for those who don't want to do the +15 farm.
  • aeee98aeee98 ✭✭✭✭
    Conflate will do more damage than SF for Front dmg and almost the same at back.

    Starfall only excels for Hammerstrike.
  • Jordansb1Jordansb1 ✭✭✭
    aeee98 wrote: »

    Starfall only excels for Hammerstrike.

    I've seen people say this a lot. What exactly is hammerstrike?

  • PalochiPalochi ✭✭✭
    edited July 2016
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    Test i did: "same" damage rolls, no power etchs and no crystals or set bonus.
    Thats just the weapon.
    Right now Conflate is already worth going for because you wont need to waste your time and money with the +12 -> +15 enchantment.
    Conflate armor is already almost an equal to SF +15.
    The SF Gloves and Boots are still better.
    The buff on next patch will make Conflate probably the best PvP gear available, the best "combo" might be VM 8 weapon + belt..maybe boots? and rest Conflate.
    Will need to wait to see but Conflate will become a pretty good gear. (not like it isnt already)
  • KetiKeti ✭✭
    Yeah I definitely wouldn't bother acquiring a +15 SF now, but my situation is I currently have full conflate armor including belt, but have a +15 SF weapon, more or less trying to figure out if the difference post patch will be great enough that getting a conflate weapon would be worth my time.
  • Jordansb1Jordansb1 ✭✭✭
    Well, if I get 100k more killing spree credits, I can get a starfall weapon (probably gonna use it for my warrior). Is it worth doing that just to get the upgrade from slaughter? If not, what should I do with all my other SF materials?
  • kimchijjigaekimchijjigae ✭
    edited July 2016
    Palochi wrote: »
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    Test i did: "same" damage rolls, no power etchs and no crystals or set bonus.
    Thats just the weapon.
    Right now Conflate is already worth going for because you wont need to waste your time and money with the +12 -> +15 enchantment.
    Conflate armor is already almost an equal to SF +15.
    The SF Gloves and Boots are still better.
    The buff on next patch will make Conflate probably the best PvP gear available, the best "combo" might be VM 8 weapon + belt..maybe boots? and rest Conflate.
    Will need to wait to see but Conflate will become a pretty good gear. (not like it isnt already)

    Results from these threads (1, 2) show that you cannot uncouple PvP attack and % PvP damage otherwise you skew the damage results. Since no one actually knows the PvP damage formula, its hard to pinpoint why damage fluctuates so much between different peoples test setup, but suffice to say, a complete approach (ie. considering all sources of damage vs. all sources of mitigation) is a better representation of actual, in-battleground damage.

    @Keti With regards to Conflate in VM8 patch, it appears the Conflate buffs are too strong and will be "nerfed". See here.
  • PalochiPalochi ✭✭✭
    edited July 2016
    @kimchijjigae
    Edit: nvm think i got what you said wrong.
    Yeah, but that was the second test i did (2.0 on the name there!) and the results were basically the same. Testing only the weapon isnt the same as testing someone with their whole gear in BGs yeah, but then the weapon isnt the only factor, if that was so meaningful there would be no point at all in testing gear.
    If you want this was my first test including Conflate and SF
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  • NesqueNesque ✭
    Palochi wrote: »
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    Test i did: "same" damage rolls, no power etchs and no crystals or set bonus.
    Thats just the weapon.
    Right now Conflate is already worth going for because you wont need to waste your time and money with the +12 -> +15 enchantment.
    Conflate armor is already almost an equal to SF +15.
    The SF Gloves and Boots are still better.
    The buff on next patch will make Conflate probably the best PvP gear available, the best "combo" might be VM 8 weapon + belt..maybe boots? and rest Conflate.
    Will need to wait to see but Conflate will become a pretty good gear. (not like it isnt already)

    *Conflate gloves are BiS this patch.
  • PalochiPalochi ✭✭✭
    edited July 2016
    @Nesque yeah i heard that before..but my friend got a Conflate and SF gloves and we tested because had nothing to do.
    For some reason, his SF +12 gloves did slightly more damage than Conflate and we did this with both gloves + his normal weapon (getting power buff set bonus for both situations) and then using only the gloves + a lvl 60 weapon to see if there would be a difference, the SF +12 still did slightly more; i didnt take any screenshot of that but idk why i got that result from it honestly. But i dont see what i did wrong for that to happen, so i cant say it is myself after it..if you have another test comparing both gloves (real tests, no math based tests please >w> ) id like to see it. Im not saying im right about everything i say but thats how it was for me. If i can see a test showing Conflate doing more than SF gloves ill be happy since i have it on 3 characters lol
    Small Edit: We also did the same thing (with the lvl 60 weapon + gloves and nothing else) with me using no gear, still got the same result but with extremelly big numbers.
  • GlitchyTrashGlitchyTrash ✭✭✭
    That post by Yosha says they are only buffing the attack modifier on vm7, Lilith, and vm8. So they aren't changing the defense of the rest of the sets. Makes me wonder how full conflate armor is compared to full vm8.
  • kknaexkknaex ✭✭
    surprisingly conflate boots belt and glove are very tanky in pve.
    I ran SF +15 sf weap and armor plus 3 conflate. They made my reaper 424, full VM7 is 425 I think.
    I can even take alot hits in a ABHM when they one shot cloth armor. Even brawler in my team was like "Why u r so tanky" And thus I can skip and just eat some hits from boss and whipsaw the health back XD
  • FelhammerFelhammer ✭✭✭
    If we're talking stood side by side then read below.

    Currently SF > Conflate for PvP

    After upcoming buff to conflate;

    Conflate > all.
  • PalochiPalochi ✭✭✭
    edited July 2016
    @Felhammer
    You say that even compared to the upcoming PvE VM?..VM8 will have their damage buffed by 5% in another patch also, or at least thats how KTera is going.
  • FelhammerFelhammer ✭✭✭
    Overall conflate +12 > Vm7 , 8.

    I'm currently at work so I'm unable to share the information I have regarding the changes but I will post it as soon as possible.

    The only possible edge Vm8 will have is the base modifiers from +15 but even that probably won't carry the low skilled PvPers.
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