Make CS a bit fair for low level players

luneru · May 2016

No please. The game already holds low level hands way too much, giving them free crystals will make them never learn the importance of crystals. In KTERA CS is 65 only and they WILL kick people who don't wear the proper crystals, if only it was like that here. Just do what I did on low levels, learn to use Inner Siege, you have no idea how many times I stopped a team from losing in 2mins with that thing. It's really not hard to shoot SS, you just need to hit in the center between the invisible walls.

If you can't afford to buy the crystals off the broker, you can always use the white ones from the crystal merchant in velika. If you're a lowbie healer it's even easier, you only need like 3 types of crystals. Coming in with hardy and pounding is not doing your team any good (gates are proven not to be affected by pounding btw), that just means you want to get carried and being lazy. Put some effort like your fellow 65's are, learn what you can and can't do at your level.

Potehto · May 2016

Nektor wrote: »

1. Give them the belt.
2. Give them pvp crystals on armor Zyrk (x1 resolute, x3 relentless) , so they got to live in battle more then 2 seconds.
3. 3. Vyrks (Keens should do for most) on those accessories

I understand giving them crystals for weapon would be a pain. But Seriously lowbees with 2 Hexage / Pentant hardies is a joke

Well, from what I've experienced so far playing on KTERA. CS are inaccessible for pre-65's and the only available battleground for "lowbies" are the new kumas battlegrounds. It gives amazing amounts of XP and it's actually pretty fun! But EME might be given different patches and etc so I can't confirm yet what will be done for CS here and battlegrounds for the lower-levels!

Saxblade · May 2016

Crystals barely affect DPS on gate, so just stay with PVP crystals as it'll have savage in it for backcritting the gate.

Venpai · May 2016

Saxblade wrote: »

Crystals barely affect DPS on gate, so just stay with PVP crystals as it'll have savage in it for backcritting the gate.

idk, i've seen crystals vastly speed up the process. mostly because it counts as a monster and can be backrit AND enraged.

Venpai · May 2016

streetdog wrote: »

Just limit the access to this bg of any non 65lvl players. Nobody will lose anything out of it.
Low level people will get less slaughtered and high level people will get less mad

yeah because how dare low level players have something ELSE to do besides dungeons and have some fun in this god forsaken game.

Venpai · May 2016

streetdog wrote: »

If the enjoyment of somebody passes throught ruining my game, then no ty.

boo hoo you. it's a game. queue with some friends and you'll have less lowbies to worry about. that simple.

Nataxie · May 2016

Venpai wrote: »

Saxblade wrote: »

Crystals barely affect DPS on gate, so just stay with PVP crystals as it'll have savage in it for backcritting the gate.

idk, i've seen crystals vastly speed up the process. mostly because it counts as a monster and can be backrit AND enraged.

This is something everyone is saying but does it mean it's true? Like the enrage, it doesn't work, or does it? I can't really see any difference in the numbers (anymore), I tried, I wanted to see the difference, but I just didn't. What to think? Damn. <- idk why filtered

JBGaming · May 2016

I have also seen these statements. About enraging. I think in truth the enraging statement has to do with the skill aspect of a particular class. People say enrage..when I think what they mean is for example....Brawlers Wrath.....deals a ton of damage.....Any class with a ....let's say...adrenaline pumped skill...is a way of saying enrage I believe. If I am wrong in this, well I'm wrong. Besides all this, I will say that your experience on Cs depends on the time in which you do it. Prime time hours of NA Tera are the worst for CS. Too many chiefs out there. Too many goof [filtered] that act like they are the best, big heads with big agenda's. I'll tell you this much. My experience with CS has been up and down constantly. Yet it always depends, if everyone is working on an agenda like gearing. Some want that diamond and more of them, why? For server transfers. There is a lot with CS that no one thinks about. A lot of Lowbies are alts of many of us, already 65 with one or more chars. I say, suck it up for the lowbie, deal with it. Just use smart strategy and smart leading. At the end of the day it's the team as a whole, that LISTENS, COMMUNICATES, PROPERLY, AND WORKS AS A TEAM, that wins.

Abunaidesu · May 2016

As annoying as CS can be, I have to say that I doubt there will be any kind of evenness from BHS ever to address this issue. Ever wonder why Grid Iron and FWC have incredibly long queues? Locked to 65. Tera is slowly but surely dying and the number of players are only being propped up from a good number of extreme casuals who may or may not even reach even the level cap. I really wish that Tera could have level brackets like wow, but I prefer moreso to have a shorter queue. So this answer would come in the form or "normalizing" crystals for all players and giving a flat bonus from gear. I honestly don't think that I would like that very much, but then again, all of my characters are 65 spare my lancer and warrior since I hate those classes.

The best thing you can as a lowbie is grab a bomb and go run around one of the enemy team's healers or star players and wait for them to take some moderate damage, at which time you promptly end their existence.

Bombers cannot be stunned or staggered, which can make you a tough problem to solve.

Mobius1 · May 2016

streetdog wrote: »

Guess the level of the people on the bottom of the table, and ye in top 7 it is me and my premade.
Fun game to carry 12 other noobs?

Except your team fed on the lowbies of the enemy team, to reach your top scores. You also had less lowbies, because you managed to get in the game with 7 of your people.

What's more of a problem, is how frequently the game puts premades on the same team, and the solo queuers on another. Granted, the matchmaking in CS is 1000x better than FWC, which is a joke.

JBGaming · May 2016

@streetdog that is an incorrect assumption. I can imagine that alot that do CS still do not have those Dyads in use on their gear and are still using Niveots, Cruxes, Zyrsk. I myself just got my first Dyad a few days ago. Look crystals do play a large part in CS. Especially when your lucky to have gotten a dyad with two lines on it, very nice and a big difference. Also take into consideration of Glyphes....I myself still have like 3 or 4 to upgrade and its taking forever and a day. It's just the way it is. A lot of people make those assumptions you do and bark off with a big head ego. Fact is this, Crystals, Glyphs, player Skill knowledge (knowing your rotation with out having to use a spacebar, knowing your skill sets) And when to use them, and how to use them plays the largest role in CS second to team communication, and a good leader. Leader has to be on point and think fast, when to make a sudden change for the interest of the team. When plan A doesn't work you need to go with plan b. You have to play smart in CS.

Venpai · May 2016

streetdog wrote: »

Guess the level of the people on the bottom of the table, and ye in top 7 it is me and my premade.
Fun game to carry 12 other noobs?

you killed one person, died nine times and YOU help carried the team on your defense? lmao.

and how do you know those people at the bottom weren't on ladders during defense? stop whining about low level players because you lose a game sometimes. i bet you blame them even if you get stream rolled by a pvp premade. low level players are entitled to some fun too, and rather than whine and try to kick them how about you advise them on grabbing bombs, focusing on sieges and killing those, and getting in sieges themselves. i win more games with the lowbies doing their best because all the 65s think they're hot poo and go pvp outside, leaving mid open, leaving inners open because no lowbies are on inners (which is fair enough because they don't have all of their skills) so all the 65s are like WAAAAAAH I DON'T WANNA INNERS TIME TO PVP. WAAAAH WHY DID WE LOSE FKINN LOWBIES

and you're acting like one of those kinds of people.

edit: oh, and how do you know they don't just genuinely suck at pvp at a higher level. lmfao.

Venpai · May 2016

Mythril wrote: »

I have also seen these statements. About enraging. I think in truth the enraging statement has to do with the skill aspect of a particular class. People say enrage..when I think what they mean is for example....Brawlers Wrath.....deals a ton of damage.....Any class with a ....let's say...adrenaline pumped skill...is a way of saying enrage I believe. If I am wrong in this, well I'm wrong. Besides all this, I will say that your experience on Cs depends on the time in which you do it. Prime time hours of NA Tera are the worst for CS. Too many chiefs out there. Too many goof [filtered] that act like they are the best, big heads with big agenda's. I'll tell you this much. My experience with CS has been up and down constantly. Yet it always depends, if everyone is working on an agenda like gearing. Some want that diamond and more of them, why? For server transfers. There is a lot with CS that no one thinks about. A lot of Lowbies are alts of many of us, already 65 with one or more chars. I say, suck it up for the lowbie, deal with it. Just use smart strategy and smart leading. At the end of the day it's the team as a whole, that LISTENS, COMMUNICATES, PROPERLY, AND WORKS AS A TEAM, that wins.

Nataxie wrote: »

This is something everyone is saying but does it mean it's true? Like the enrage, it doesn't work, or does it? I can't really see any difference in the numbers (anymore), I tried, I wanted to see the difference, but I just didn't. What to think? Damn. <- idk why filtered

i was actually mistaken! here

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeraOnline/comments/4i783t/psa_pve_crystals_dont_work_on_gates_in_cs_anymore/

i think these changes were recent, hence why i said what i did. ^^

Venpai · May 2016

streetdog wrote: »

And ye, it is possible that they suck in pvp, however majority of the players didn't have 65 gear at all, which makes me think they were not 65. And it is way more likely to have low level player who suck, than high level one. Actually, it is nearly 100% certain that low level player will suck at pvp, unless it is leveling alt of somebody else. And even then, everybody who plays CS knows it is cancer to queue for cs during XP event
Lack of skills to cast, lack of crystals, lack of idea what to do are major factors. There's nothing in the game to suggest to low level players to pick up bombs, besides bombs are effective only if 2-3 go together, which never happens.

Also queue times for fwc are not high. It takes even less than CS to queue and the games are by far more interesting and less one sided. Yes sometimes it is a stomp, but many times we win/lose by only 500-1000 points.

you're reaching at this point. which is why i said, rather than whining about low levels and trying to kick them, explain to them how they can be useful. i'd rather have low levels who listen than pvp happy 65s with proper whatevers.

Venpai · May 2016

streetdog wrote: »

I don't wanna explain anything to anybody. It's up to the people to educate themselves. I wanna go in the bg and have fun, which comes from more or less evenly matched teams.
It is not fun to one shot people with 2 skills, also because next game they might be in your team and will ruin your fun.

if you're not going to educate people then you have no right to complain. and i have stated multiple times i couldn't care less if i have low levels in my game. lord knows they listen more than uppity tryhard 65s. who are spamming raids with toxicity if they lose. and i also don't care because THIS IS A GAME. AND IF YOU'RE THAT UPSET OVER A LOSS OR TWO IN CS, THEN MAYBE CS ISN'T SOMETHING YOU SHOULD BE DOING. go play fraywind or gridiron if it bothers you that much.

or ktera. ktera cs is 65 only.

Make CS a bit fair for low level players

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