DF double healing, normal mode didn't need this

Hyspherical · July 2016

People want double healers since it's "safer" and more consistent with buffs/debuffs.

Because most people don't know what dodging is anymore.

NotAisu · August 2016

Double heal has always been [filtered]. No matter the dungeon.
Allows [filtered] healers to succeed. Allows DPS that don't know how to position to succeed.
Please ban all mystics and priest so we all have to pot.

Yakusan · August 2016

I wish you could at least opt out of double healer runs.

Merle · August 2016

I absolutely hate as a mystic, to have a second healer in DF. It makes me fall asleep.
And no, if I want to dps, I'd go DF with my slayer, not my mystic :I

BusinessCat · August 2016

archers and warriors dont have an option to be the only archer or warrior at the party...
if you dont want to double heal, dont IM

Bluehydra · August 2016

BusinessCat wrote: »

archers and warriors dont have an option to be the only archer or warrior at the party...
if you dont want to double heal, dont IM

While I understand its annoying for warriors and archers, when you have a second archer, they will still be able to do damage. There may be a war for who keeps veliks mark, but they both will be doing their function: damage. With double healers though, once your party is healed up there isnt much left to do. There is no point in healing someone who is at full health, so a big part of your job gets just taken away and it becomes boring. Two dps of the same kind (warr/archer) is annoying, two healers is redundant.

However, I understand that this change was made so even the most horrifyingly bad parties will clear (and we have all seen pretty bad parties in IM) I think this poses a problem because making this dungeon so easy and adding the double heals to make it EXTRA easy only makes the gap between the easy dungeons and the hard ones be bigger. As a result people who have no clue what they're doing skip the learning.

You're right tho, the only way to avoid it is to not que.
If it was in my hands, id make it so double healer would only happen when the healer that is queuing has run the dungeon under 10 times, or if the party that ques already had two healers.

RakWraithraiser · August 2016

but I want to DPS as a mystic.

dinners · August 2016

Merle wrote: »

I absolutely hate as a mystic, to have a second healer in DF. It makes me fall asleep.
And no, if I want to dps, I'd go DF with my slayer, not my mystic :I

You should try dps gear mystic. Normally, my +12 dps mystic does decent dps in DF IM, CW and Solo IOD Bam.

+12 dps mystic is par or better than +12 ninja in newbie dungeon like CW and mystic buffs others as well. +12 mystic can clear low and mid tier IOD bam faster than any other +12 class except maybe brawler. For low tier IOD Bam, mystic clears faster than ninja or brawler.

Fallsmyer · August 2016

I have ran DFNM several times on multiple characters, sometimes it is with 1 healer and sometimes it is with 2 healers. I don't understand all the hate about 2 healers. Even if it is slower, it is by a small amount; it isn't like you are in DFNM for an extra 15 minutes because you have a second healer. It might end up being like 3-4 minutes in total. If we are going to start complaining about having 2 healers, then you should also complain about having bad dps that don't position properly, get poisoned by the carpet and die, die to Verno's laser and/or burn, or just outright get out damaged by healers.

Bluehydra wrote: »

BusinessCat wrote: »

archers and warriors dont have an option to be the only archer or warrior at the party...
if you dont want to double heal, dont IM

While I understand its annoying for warriors and archers, when you have a second archer, they will still be able to do damage. There may be a war for who keeps veliks mark, but they both will be doing their function: damage. With double healers though, once your party is healed up there isnt much left to do. There is no point in healing someone who is at full health, so a big part of your job gets just taken away and it becomes boring. Two dps of the same kind (warr/archer) is annoying, two healers is redundant.

Archers loss so much damage when they have to battle for Velik's Mark, especially when you have some +12 Dreadnaught that keeps taking it from a +12 Slaughter. I just had a run today where some little [filtered] archer thought he was a bad [filtered] and battled with me the entire dungeon for Velik's Mark, he ended up getting out damaged by my GF's mystic and she was splitting dps and healing even though we had 2 healers. and I ended up doing roughly 200k dps less than I normally would have done. So sure, 2 healers might not be ideal for speed runs but if you are doing DFNM through Instance matching then you shouldn't be worried about speed runs anyways.

BusinessCat · August 2016

Bluehydra wrote: »

BusinessCat wrote: »

archers and warriors dont have an option to be the only archer or warrior at the party...
if you dont want to double heal, dont IM

While I understand its annoying for warriors and archers, when you have a second archer, they will still be able to do damage. There may be a war for who keeps veliks mark, but they both will be doing their function: damage. With double healers though, once your party is healed up there isnt much left to do. There is no point in healing someone who is at full health, so a big part of your job gets just taken away and it becomes boring. Two dps of the same kind (warr/archer) is annoying, two healers is redundant.

However, I understand that this change was made so even the most horrifyingly bad parties will clear (and we have all seen pretty bad parties in IM) I think this poses a problem because making this dungeon so easy and adding the double heals to make it EXTRA easy only makes the gap between the easy dungeons and the hard ones be bigger. As a result people who have no clue what they're doing skip the learning.

You're right tho, the only way to avoid it is to not que.
If it was in my hands, id make it so double healer would only happen when the healer that is queuing has run the dungeon under 10 times, or if the party that ques already had two healers.

I know that is boring.. wont say otherwise... but remember that healers job isnt only to heal... keeping debuff up, mana and buffs also make part of your role... But yeah, I know how you feel... you could probably do your nails while you're in a boss with a good party and double healing...
and I also agree that if I'm a healer, I want to heal.. not dps ><
And about not doing IM... I guess every healer would IM once in a while to take a "challenge" haha..

DF double healing, normal mode didn't need this

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