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Current PvP Class Balancing and META

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  • what an interesting discussion
  • edited August 2016
    Floww wrote: »
    Looking back at the game since 2015 and Reaper is still top tier. What a surprise Bluehole LOL

    Blame BHS. Because the players at KTERA suck at Reaper. So the community there complains how underpowered the class is because they don't use it to the full potential at NA/EU does. So they be like "please give reapers more buff it's underpowered not enough utility" so BHS caters them with buffs.
  • KetiKeti ✭✭
    Floww wrote: »
    Looking back at the game since 2015 and Reaper is still top tier. What a surprise Bluehole LOL

    Blame BHS. Because the players at KTERA suck at Reaper. So the community there complains how underpowered the class is because they don't use it to the full potential at NA/EU does. So they be like "please give reapers more buff it's underpowered not enough utility" so BHS caters them with buffs.

    Or maybe the rest of the korean PvPers are better in general/better at dealing with reaper than NA. It would definitely be a reversal of the norm for the koreans to be worse at a game, especially in a game they got first.
  • @Keti @VladimirPutin215 It's hard to say whether they are better at reaper or not, but everyone seems to forget that basically everyone ktera is playing with sub 20 ping. When your ping is that low, stagger locking becomes muuuch more difficult. Because of that, the normal long reaper chain, pend>whips>cablestep, isn't as reliable as it is in NA. The ability to get out of moves and staggers faster changes the game so much for ktera.
  • ZdzisiuZdzisiu ✭✭
    edited August 2016
    Ping does not matter that much. Reaper, Ninja and Gunners are broken/OP as hell. It is shame of Devs and publishers to show up game is such state.

    Btw. Anyway the game should be adjusted to western standards - and this means ~100 ping standard and ~200 is not rare..
  • Imma let you go fight people with sub 20 ping and find out for yourself then.
  • KetiKeti ✭✭
    edited August 2016
    I think another thing low ping would change would be the ability to react to certain animations. Reaper is a lot less scary if you know you could just react to most of their long animations and punish accordingly. Add a little bit of ping in though and skills like whipsaw become legitimate threats in a neutral state.

    In korea they also have great PCs which means higher fps and less grey blobs, and reapers and gunners benefit the most from grey blob pvp.
  • KetiKeti ✭✭
    Maybe someone should make an AS reaper on ktera and introduce them to the gravy train.

    I'd definitely be surprised to see if people werent even running enough as for whipsaw to cable to work. You only need like +40.
  • Zdzisiu wrote: »
    Ping does not matter that much. Reaper, Ninja and Gunners are broken/OP as [filtered]. It is shame of Devs and publishers to show up game is such state.

    Btw. Anyway the game should be adjusted to western standards - and this means ~100 ping standard and ~200 is not rare..

    Ping matters for PvP. Whether you like it or not lol.
    Anything below 30 ping is insane. If you duel players with 10-20 ping you'll lose the duel if you have over 100.
  • KetiKeti ✭✭
    I remember pvping with/against a healer who lived in Chicago where the servers are and had low single digit ping. It was insanity.
  • edited August 2016
    There's this one Warrior on MT who goes by the name The.Booty.Warrior plays on less than 20 ping. It was insane. I was on about 100-120 ping. Stood no chance. He's one of the best Warriors on the server. Escaping his Stagger Locks are bound to be a challenge.
  • Derpybowl wrote: »
    Ive faced this booty warrior before hes good but not that good. In comparison numbnips can 100-0 you without you even getting a single skill off including my dont need to point teleport stun skill.

    I'd say he's one of the best Warriors on MT second with Rukojima now known as Ezra I believe. There's a few other good Warriors too can't remember their IGNs and yeah Numbnips is really good too the best Reaper in MT.
  • Whoever said ping doesnt matter in pvp, certainly does not know how PvP works.

    Yosha made once a test on reaper rotation between KTera and NA. KTera had 200+ms, NA had I believe 50ms. NA rotation was around 22% faster. Which means, in PVE= more DPS. in PVP=Massive advantage.

    Also, whoever plays charging classes, like Archer and Zerker, with high ping, knows that in duels, 3s, and basically any small scale pvp its pretty much GG. In mass PvP, like GvG, CS,FWC its a lot more forgiving.
  • PalochiPalochi ✭✭✭
    edited August 2016
    @Derpybowl
    Tbh every class can do much more with a decent ping..not just the "delicate but strong"
    Zerk as main example i can give, try to play it with more than ~140 ping and you cant do any kind of stagger -> KD without Flurry (besides Pun. Strike -> Flatten)
    Even Gunner have some problems with high ping (no, not Burst Fire), tho some ppl say its the best class for high ping.
    Ninja with high ping is actually viable, they can still do the 100 -> 0 combo but no time for Leaves on the Wind. Was one of the easiest classes for me to deal with my ping.
    Being honest, the main problems that comes from high ping are that you cant combo that well, but you can kill ppl without real combos if you know what youre doing. The thing that not many can see but that is the main thing that makes ping important to me is the fact that with high ping you get delay trying to react to anything + you cant escape any kind of stagger lock unless its done really wrong.
  • KetiKeti ✭✭
    Archer with high ping is freaking impossible.
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