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  • NopiNopi ✭✭✭✭✭
    I meant it looked very fast for me, though min maxers may say 99 ping is already not optimal for RF. If we believe them, no archer above 70 should attempt a speed run. IF we believe them. :3
  • XaioliXaioli ✭✭
    edited August 2016
    Nopi wrote: »
    I meant it looked very fast for me, though min maxers may say 99 ping is already not optimal for RF. If we believe them, no archer above 70 should attempt a speed run. IF we believe them. :3

    I play with about 65-85 ping and I think I'm one of the better archers on NA. With your 99 ping, it's questionable but it's still doable. Same with 120 ping because at that point, you can start seeing the huge difference between you and a 65-85 ping archer like myself. It's like how I can see the significant difference from myself and another person who has 20-30 ping. Rapid Fire as a skill just gradually gets worse as the player's ping increases and there's not much you can do outside of moving physical locations or using VPN's.

    At a certain point, RF just becomes unplayable and takes too long to full cast, therefore making the charge build much more desirable for higher ping players since only one stage of the charging is impacted by ping while every cast of RF is. However at the end of the day, do what you want and what you feel is right.
  • 1.85kk/s in sshm using 0.3 crit and RA in armor, no bulbogi/beer (rutera don't have rootstock for damn year), supports also don't have hurricane wepns.
    http://forum.tera-online.ru/topic/23342/?page=21#post-1356445
    I think with slaying and war I can break 2.5kk/s+, gonna tryhard it more :pleased:
  • NopiNopi ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, at least for me, what I've got works for me. I'm an ultra casual right now so WHEEEN I log and play a bit, most of what I do is a run or two of an NM dungeon or an IoD run or whatever low tier derp I can easily do. I was just procuring the info and the discussion for the sake of information. :3
  • I'm playing with 155 ping and I've been trying all kinds of rotations for best dps. Right now I'm using RF over Pen Arrow and kinda like it, with 3 crit/2 power setup with mystic. and I feel it's more consistant dmg then Pen arrow as it crit varies from 45-75%.
  • More consistent for sure, but it doesn't mean more DPS. Pen arrow is like 1.6s to cast (no overcharge) while RF is 2.3-2.4s (at 50-60ms) so even more for you (I can't test but you're probably over 3s). If you like it, then I won't discourage you to play with RF but it's likely not worth it
  • edited August 2016
    Darkomax wrote: »
    More consistent for sure, but it doesn't mean more DPS. Pen arrow is like 1.6s to cast (no overcharge) while RF is 2.3-2.4s (at 50-60ms) so even more for you (I can't test but you're probably over 3s). If you like it, then I won't discourage you to play with RF but it's likely not worth it

    My RF is 2.3-2.4. When my Pen Arrow crits around 65%+, it outdamages RF. Since I'm not that perfect with backtime, my usual Pen Arrow crit is 40-55%.
  • DarkomaxDarkomax
    edited August 2016
    Do you include the anim lock which last about 1s? because technically, your RF should last about 700ms longer than mine.
    Well, just tested myself, my ping conveniently goes to 150ms when I download something. And in this case, RF lasts about 3s (without atk speed buffs except eye), which is pretty logical since there is a additional 100ms delay between each arrow. It feels really bad compared to 50,but it's still better than overcharging overall. I dunno but it seems hard to use on moving bosses since planning 3s ahead is very hard.
  • edited August 2016
    I checked with animation lock at the end, it becomes around 3seconds indeed. I tested yesterday in DSU using Pen Arrow as much as possible over RF, RF only when everything else on CD and RF still did more damage cause damn Pen Arrow never crits, 2 out of bosses I somehow managed to get below 40% crit on Pen Arrow.

    I managed to get 1.6kk dps on Hrathgol which is my personal best so far. With Pen Arrow it's more of gamble, will I crit enough times to make it good.
    I also tried to powerlink with Breakaway as much i could. Depends on party, im getting 1.3-1.5kk dps with my slow RF spam, which is quite good imo, I will never get that 2kk+ anyway with my ping.

    FYI, my ping isn't always 155ish, some days it jumps between 160-180.
  • Yeah that's unfortunate. Pen arrow is really unreliable and RF can be used as a filler at best. My best on Hrathgol was ~2.1M with lancer, competent healers (hurricane, 98%+ uptime on buffs/debuffs, it has a very high impact on your DPS), 1.9 with brawler, average is around 1.7-1.8M so I guess you're still doing well. I'm jealous of Korean while some people have it way worse than me, then I feel bad.
    2M should be doable even without RF with a good party, if RNG is by you side (I've seen a few archers do it without using RF that much)
  • Yeah, I'm not that pro :)
  • I checked with animation lock at the end, it becomes around 3seconds indeed. I tested yesterday in DSU using Pen Arrow as much as possible over RF, RF only when everything else on CD and RF still did more damage cause [filtered] Pen Arrow never crits, 2 out of bosses I somehow managed to get below 40% crit on Pen Arrow.

    I managed to get 1.6kk dps on Hrathgol which is my personal best so far. With Pen Arrow it's more of gamble, will I crit enough times to make it good.
    I also tried to powerlink with Breakaway as much i could. Depends on party, im getting 1.3-1.5kk dps with my slow RF spam, which is quite good imo, I will never get that 2kk+ anyway with my ping.

    FYI, my ping isn't always 155ish, some days it jumps between 160-180.

    Yeah 3 seconds is super long on RF. Have you tried using a full crit set prioritizing RoA > RA > Explo > TB > Pen? It's true that the hits will do a bit less compared to running 3/2 but the increased consistency on every skill really helps. Notable crit changes: RoA should be at 60-65 (compared to 50-55), Radiant 95-100 (compared to 70-100) and just much more consistent crits on Explo/TB/Pen overall however it's hard to give an exact range since those skills are so fickle when it comes to critting.

    The most I've done using that above build on Hrathgol was 2.1 while averaging 1.9. With RF, 2.5 peak and 2.2-2.3 average. So obviously RF > Charge/higher ping priority but since you have much higher ping than me, maybe it's better if you don't RF. However again if it works for you, then do what's best in your eyes.
  • edited August 2016
    Xaioli wrote: »
    I checked with animation lock at the end, it becomes around 3seconds indeed. I tested yesterday in DSU using Pen Arrow as much as possible over RF, RF only when everything else on CD and RF still did more damage cause [filtered] Pen Arrow never crits, 2 out of bosses I somehow managed to get below 40% crit on Pen Arrow.

    I managed to get 1.6kk dps on Hrathgol which is my personal best so far. With Pen Arrow it's more of gamble, will I crit enough times to make it good.
    I also tried to powerlink with Breakaway as much i could. Depends on party, im getting 1.3-1.5kk dps with my slow RF spam, which is quite good imo, I will never get that 2kk+ anyway with my ping.

    FYI, my ping isn't always 155ish, some days it jumps between 160-180.

    Yeah 3 seconds is super long on RF. Have you tried using a full crit set prioritizing RoA > RA > Explo > TB > Pen? It's true that the hits will do a bit less compared to running 3/2 but the increased consistency on every skill really helps. Notable crit changes: RoA should be at 60-65 (compared to 50-55), Radiant 95-100 (compared to 70-100) and just much more consistent crits on Explo/TB/Pen overall however it's hard to give an exact range since those skills are so fickle when it comes to critting.

    The most I've done using that above build on Hrathgol was 2.1 while averaging 1.9. With RF, 2.5 peak and 2.2-2.3 average. So obviously RF > Charge/higher ping priority but since you have much higher ping than me, maybe it's better if you don't RF. However again if it works for you, then do what's best in your eyes.

    I was using full crit + rotation before RF, 60+243. I'll give it another try with charge build, although I tried, always had lower dps with really bad crits. Maybe it's just my low backtime when boss decides to dance around.
  • Your chances to crit increase if you're hitting from the back. Then with the addition of Crackshot, it's even more of a chance to crit.

    Perhaps you weren't chasing the back well enough or maybe it was just an unlucky run (we all have a run where we just don't get crits no matter what). If you still feel the same way after 3-5 test runs, then maybe you should go back to your RF build.
  • NopiNopi ✭✭✭✭✭
    One thing also. Mostly to people who might not be seeing a difference in their crits. Remember that you have to go to your passive skills window and enable/buy the skill. I know most people have the mind to notice and do that, but I've seen cases.....
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