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Current PvP Class Balancing and META

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  • Zerk is probably the only class I know that is very mediocre for PvP if you have over 100 ping you'll lose to a player playing below 50 ping. It's hard to stagger lock.
  • KiraboshiKiraboshi ✭✭✭
    edited August 2016
    On the subject of ping, the real issue in pvp isn't just the delay but because in Tera player collision is calculated client side while most everything else is calculated server side. This means whenever desync occurs ( outside of knockdown desyncs, which is actually a different bug which often favors players with higher ping instead ), the server will usually favor hitbox locations from the perspective of the player with the better connection.

    This leads to an array of really strange advantages, where a low ping player can appear to block attacks while facing away or go through other peoples blocks without having to angle at all. Or another common one is they get stunned and their collision + hitbox end up in a different spot ( Low ping reapers are especially guilty of this due to the speed of their iframe and poor netcode behind pendulum. ). Attacks can land before the animation seems to complete. Certain classes can also iframe and attack at the same time because the iframe isn't over yet on the higher ping players client, allowing the low ping player to dodge->immediately use a skill, and any attempt to disrupt them will "whiff" for about 1/5th a second. And finally you have the BM players who either jump2desync or use macros to force desyncs by overloading their client with input, allowing them to cancel out the collision of anyone with a different connection than them.

    People often ask me "Kira u ranked last season why aren't you in a pvp geeld". This is partly why. Tera PvP is for fun and for trolling. It is not to be taken seriously. The netcode for a balanced game simply isn't there. Maybe if BHS cleans Tera up and finally rewrites their godawful knockdown code when Tera comes to console more players can get into serious pvp and maybe we can actually have enough streamers for it to matter.

    Or maybe a better game will come out by then and it won't matter anymore LOL.

  • Won't happen that [filtered] was broken lol.
  • xvctxvct ✭✭✭
    Take RNG out of PvP then we talk
  • KetiKeti ✭✭
    I agree. I got backstabbed last night in cs and because of that I was late to work this morning.
  • So, I'm sure this has been discussed, but... when's a 20% Reaper PVP damage nerf coming? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)‎
  • Would be nice if balance actually worked in PvP to prevent staggers, then all it'd take is a balance-centric build to be a hardcounter to Reapers.
  • Reapers, ninja - both need nerf staggers and stuns. Both have spampable AoE staggers and stuns from distance. It is broken to the point even melee classes: warrior, slayer, brawler, lancer and berserker have much less stagger and stun capability.
  • Woah, woah, woah. I wouldn't put Warriors in a separate category. Reapers are utter cancer, of course, but Warriors aren't much different right now.
  • ZdzisiuZdzisiu ✭✭
    edited August 2016
    Warriors are much different - Warriors do not have huge AoE from range. Warriors may be able to fast kill single target, but have nothing to change outcome of the group PvP/BG as reapers and ninja (and rest of range classes) do.
  • KetiKeti ✭✭
    hellno wrote: »
    Keti wrote: »
    Archer with high ping is freaking impossible.

    I have 120-150 and i can still double stagger into kick > full combo just fine even without AS rolls.

    big difference between being able to execute the easy [filtered] combo and being able to hit someone out of a critical animation while turning quickly like a slayer leap or a reaper pendulum.
  • Lancer mass PVP 7/10

    lolololololol

    1-2 lancers vs 4 reapers 2 brawlers, couple ninjas and priests. Plz you just a tag along with a 1-2m chain leash CD that none takes advantage of unless you are in Discord communicating. Chain leash so many times and no1 focus fires the stunned group in PUGs ever or some1 KD. As a Lancer while it is a good class, you are only as good as your teammates.

    Your role is support in your party, but if no one takes advantage of your buffs/ cc/ staggers/ chain leash, your effectiveness in any Mass PVP is like 0/10 and that is the case for most pug qs in CS and FWC.
  • PalochiPalochi ✭✭✭
    edited September 2016
    @5H96Y49G6D
    Just because ppl arent smart enough to make use of the utility that a good Lancer can give; doesnt mean the class isnt strong.
    Lancer is one of the best classes in mass PvP for obvious reasons, saying that ppl are dumb and cant use it doesnt make the class any worse.
    A "7/10" also doesnt mean a Lancer should be carrying anyone lol , just that its a good class.
  • Palochi wrote: »
    @5H96Y49G6D
    Just because ppl arent smart enough to make use of the utility that a good Lancer can give; doesnt mean the class isnt strong.
    Lancer is one of the best classes in mass PvP for obvious reasons, saying that ppl are dumb and cant use it doesnt make the class any worse.
    A "7/10" also doesnt mean a Lancer should be carrying anyone lol , just that its a good class.

    Well I disagree.

    Lancer is a [filtered] class in Mass PVP

    If you make a thread on a public forum that is addressing the public its not wrong to assume that this list should refer to the most common occurrences. This should not reflect premades at all or what you would do individually. There is a reason I'm the only Lancer in the BG or 2/30 Lancers in FWC. In Mass PVP this class is dead for reasons which I'm not going into much detail about.

    If you are the least popular class in any Mas PVP BG, but at 1 point the king of 3s, obviously that should tell you something about where this class stands.
  • PalochiPalochi ✭✭✭
    edited September 2016
    Idk why the "public" stuff matters because a Lancer who can use Giga at good times and pop Ad. Rush and G. Shout correctly is actually doing a lot for the team. Giga Leash isnt the only thing they can do.
    Saying it in a simple way, Lancer is strong; but unlike a few other strong classes, Lancer isnt easy to be good at. I've seen only a few Lancers who can actually get the most out of it.
    If you want you can disagree, thats up to you, but thats how most ppl see it.
    Being a "dead" class doesnt say much btw, Mystic was dead before the changes and the class wasnt bad at all.
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