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Please stop turning your noses up at Zerker and Warrior tanks.
First off, I completely understand that both Zerkers and Warriors lack a complete set of tanking skills. Mostly the Zerker, but the Warrior is missing a decent skill to deal with adds. These are indeed handicaps, but that doesn't mean the classes are "maimed". Conversely, just because you have a "real" tank in the party, doesn't mean he knows what the hell he's doing.
What brought this on is two things today. First, this morning, as I once a day, I ran DFNM on my Zerker. I like getting the double VG badges so I make sure all my 65's run it daily. I don't like Zerker DPS, so I queue as tank. As soon as I get in there is talk of gloom and doom, and the party is trying to kick me. The healer was so opposed to this that he let the entire party walk into the first boss fight, sit outside the gate, and let us wipe. We kicked his [filtered], but the point is that people don't care to give an hybrid tank a chance. They would rather be petty even when they fail to kick us at times to the detriment of not just the tank, but the whole party! Needless to say the run went fine. It was my 8th time tanking it as a Zerker, they all have gone well.
On the other hand, I queued as DPS about an hour ago on my Warrior, because Warrior DPS is super fun. It's like Ninja, but better. We had one of the many [filtered] Brawler tanks. The party tried to guide him, but to no avail. I took Prima in the first fight, but (and it was my fault) I ended up tanking both. I only wanted one, but I hit both with my shout and the Brawler had no agro. I had never tanked DFNM, or anything higher, as a Warrior. In fact, it was only my second time there as a Warrior, and I am not especially familiar with the class yet. Eventually, the Brawler did peal agro off me (a statement which should never need saying). On the crab, the Brawler did just about everything you could do wrong, so, around 15x health bars (aka 10 minutes later), I said "[filtered] this [filtered], I'm tanking", and which point I disengaged from combat, changed my action bar, glyphs, and swapped out my weapon crystals. I then proceeded to tank the rest of the dungeon correctly. The Brawler on Verno tried blocking the unblockable (in spite of repeatedly telling him he needs to use his iframe), and never (not once) stood in front of Verno, but rather slightly off to the side.
So please, just because your tank isn't a Brawler or Lancer, don't assume the run will go sideways as soon as you reach the first boss. They may just be able to dance around the mechanics from having done so many times already. My warrior run was the fourth time today I tanked DFNM and the sixth run. That Brawler, as one party member put it, was playing DFNM like he would a leveling dungeon. DFNM is super easy (I think it's easier than KCNM even), but that doesn't mean you can ignore mechanics and the existence of the rest of the party, expecting heals to come out of no where. So always let the tank run a bit before deciding to kick, because you could very possibly do worse.
Also, remember in the case of the Warrior tank, not everything can be blocked, and not everything can even be iframed. Among tanks, they have the most iframe up-time, and are the most mobile. This makes them especially well suited for dealing with mechanics.
[As a non-constructive side rant, how the [filtered] does a newbie, barely geared Warrior (that's me) out agro a Brawler!? What the [filtered]?! Really!]
What brought this on is two things today. First, this morning, as I once a day, I ran DFNM on my Zerker. I like getting the double VG badges so I make sure all my 65's run it daily. I don't like Zerker DPS, so I queue as tank. As soon as I get in there is talk of gloom and doom, and the party is trying to kick me. The healer was so opposed to this that he let the entire party walk into the first boss fight, sit outside the gate, and let us wipe. We kicked his [filtered], but the point is that people don't care to give an hybrid tank a chance. They would rather be petty even when they fail to kick us at times to the detriment of not just the tank, but the whole party! Needless to say the run went fine. It was my 8th time tanking it as a Zerker, they all have gone well.
On the other hand, I queued as DPS about an hour ago on my Warrior, because Warrior DPS is super fun. It's like Ninja, but better. We had one of the many [filtered] Brawler tanks. The party tried to guide him, but to no avail. I took Prima in the first fight, but (and it was my fault) I ended up tanking both. I only wanted one, but I hit both with my shout and the Brawler had no agro. I had never tanked DFNM, or anything higher, as a Warrior. In fact, it was only my second time there as a Warrior, and I am not especially familiar with the class yet. Eventually, the Brawler did peal agro off me (a statement which should never need saying). On the crab, the Brawler did just about everything you could do wrong, so, around 15x health bars (aka 10 minutes later), I said "[filtered] this [filtered], I'm tanking", and which point I disengaged from combat, changed my action bar, glyphs, and swapped out my weapon crystals. I then proceeded to tank the rest of the dungeon correctly. The Brawler on Verno tried blocking the unblockable (in spite of repeatedly telling him he needs to use his iframe), and never (not once) stood in front of Verno, but rather slightly off to the side.
So please, just because your tank isn't a Brawler or Lancer, don't assume the run will go sideways as soon as you reach the first boss. They may just be able to dance around the mechanics from having done so many times already. My warrior run was the fourth time today I tanked DFNM and the sixth run. That Brawler, as one party member put it, was playing DFNM like he would a leveling dungeon. DFNM is super easy (I think it's easier than KCNM even), but that doesn't mean you can ignore mechanics and the existence of the rest of the party, expecting heals to come out of no where. So always let the tank run a bit before deciding to kick, because you could very possibly do worse.
Also, remember in the case of the Warrior tank, not everything can be blocked, and not everything can even be iframed. Among tanks, they have the most iframe up-time, and are the most mobile. This makes them especially well suited for dealing with mechanics.
[As a non-constructive side rant, how the [filtered] does a newbie, barely geared Warrior (that's me) out agro a Brawler!? What the [filtered]?! Really!]
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I returned for a bit to level up a femani sorc (because I wanted to see femani cloth armor styles in detail) and at 61 currently, I can say only Sabex armory is the only dungeon I don't always end up stealing aggro for the whole friggin boss fight. Guess what class all those newbie tanks were. I leveled a brawler before and I don't remember ever having aggro problems with it. And I had no idea other than basic stuff about what I was doing with the class. Yet I always kept aggro. I also leveled a warrior nearly two years ago (which I still have) and I tanked a few things with it, and also never had aggro problems (though back then tanking formula was a bit different)
Sure, my more recent experiences show that even though I may be average at most, I know enough about the game to at least fulfill the basic needs of a class. Something most new players don't have yet. I was there back then when I was new, and my noob status lasted for a long while. So yeah, you will still steal aggro from most brawlers out there because they are still way too new to the game to do any real tanking.
So the message in the end would be, if you see a warrior or a zerker trying to tank, more often than not, that guy totally knows what the heck he's doing. Also, why are people getting so jumpy about a tank in a NM dungeon anyway? They should leave that to top end play or something. Or better, leave it at home.
I know, right!? I suppose this is the bigger problem -- people treating casual dungeons like they are SSHM.
I can only assume these people want to get everything done ultra fast because they are in a constant speedrun
in IMS....
I propose the title "I've got this!". You earn it for properly tanking instances as a zerker or warrior enough times. That way you can tote around something they don't have, and will show them you can tank despite their worse fears.
A tank is whoever gets the job done. Also, if you go by what the community here seems to be saying, three out of three opinions have been that Warriors and Zerkers ARE tanks. You do implicitly seem to think other wise, and that you speak for the entire community.
From your other posts, you are clearly here to troll. Please do it somewhere else.
The only advantage that Warriors have is the amount of iframes, but that doesn't really matter when they can't block as well as the other two main tanks. Zerks just don't have any good tools.
Getting the job done is fine and all, but a lot of people would rather have it done efficiently. Of course if they complain about a Warrior/Zerk tank in casual dungeons, then they're just pretty bad themselves and can't carry the run.
And there's no way to say how good you were at actually tanking if you wanted to go with that title. Tanks can hold aggro and still be terrible tanks.
True, however it seems unlikely that someone who has, lets say, tanked each of 397 item level dungeons three times to earn the title will be a bad tank. Perhaps not great, but not, "oh my God, disband" bad.
Woohooo! Any details yet?
ALL OF THIS! Couldnt have said it better myself! :proud:
lmao if only it were that simple.. unfortunetly this part of your statement is completely backwards, any class getting nerfed/buffed/revamped is 120% certainly going to be complained about, not by everyone obviously, but there will always undoubtedly be a portion of the community that complains about any and every change made to the game.. its just part of mmolife.
The very first paragraph of my opening post acknowledged the fact that neither hybrid tank is optimal, particularly the Zerker. Also, don't confuse "efficient" with "optimal". Efficient and sub-optimal are not mutually exclusive.
As for the "end of complaints", yeah, definitely true that it will only bring up more complaints. When the much awaited Sorc revamp hits Tera NA it will be a PR [filtered] storm I bet. I can't possibly hate it, since I don't care much for my sorcerer. I do think that will die down with almost everyone being happy in the end. Well, maybe not PvP'ers. They seem to be more set in their ways than most, especially since the Sorc is apparently strong in PvP right now (not a PvP'er, wouldn't really know).