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Have Free Transfer From New Server to any Server

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  • Garridan wrote: »
    Wow, do you people even know what I'm talking about? Enmasse is giving free transfers FROM FF/HW to AV. However, my point is ..... why not allow free transfers from FF/HW to ALL servers.

    Yes, we do know what you were talking about. However, as responded in the first 3 posts, it would make the merge pointless. The rest of the posts were responding to what this person said, which seems a tad more reasonable to me:
    On the other hand, the opposite should be done. Let us from the others servers to go to the new one for free.

    It doesn't make the merge pointless if I am wanting to transfer my 14 characters from HW to a PvE server. I already have 9 characters on AV, and if I would like the option of being able to place extras somewhere else.
  • Ginjitsu wrote: »
    Character slot cap for each server is 16, enough room for 14 of your characters.


    Like I said, people are not actually reading my original post. READ IT
  • Fallsmyer wrote: »
    They choose AV for several reasons.

    1) AV is a PVE server. People from HW are the ones being most inconvenienced here. Opening up free transfers to all servers doesn't make since because a large portion of the new servers community would just move to MT, as it has the healthiest and largest end-game community. Similarly TR would be chosen for PVE players. The new server would be killed before it ever had a chance, just like when HW was opened; it killed several of the other servers like VoT and LoT.

    2) AV can accommodate the new players without overpopulating the server. If they opened free transfers to TR, not only would a large amount of people transfer there because of its already establish community but it would add numbers to an already healthy community.

    Additionally, you aren't being forced to delete any characters. You are choosing to delete them because of your ignorance and fear. You don't understand what PVP servers are like but you have this preconceived notion that they are bad places with people killing each other 24/7 at every possible location on the map and there is no where you can hide and be safe. Enmasse has given you options, if you don't like those options then that is YOUR choice and you will have to pay money for other options. Stop QQing!!


    1) My suggestion was to open transfers to PvE servers (or all). It's an option for people to transfer to another PvE server that want NOTHING to do with PvP. If people want to stay on the new server, then so be it. Suggesting that people would want to move to MT is ridiculous, as it's a PvP server. Opening the HW server was to relieve the overcrowding on PvE servers. VoT and LoT are PvP servers that were not as populated in the first place because (*gasp*) there are a lot fewer PvP'ers than PvE.

    2) AV might be able to accommodate new players, but it's only fair that I get to KEEP my high-level characters and be able to transfer them onto any PvE server so I don't lose them. It's not us changing the status quo, it's the game.

    3) I AM being forced to delete characters that I love. I'm not deleting out of ignorance or fear as you suggest, but because I do not want my characters on a PvP server. Period. I want NOTHING to do with PvP. Therefore, I should have the OPTION of being able to transfer ALL of my HW characters to whichever PvE server(s) will accommodate them for FREE. Enmasse has given us a very restrictive option. I'm just asking that Enmasse give us expanded options to make the transition as smooth as possible with as little stress as possible. Just because I don't like the option, doesn't make my opinion invalid. I'm the one being inconvenienced. I'm the one who has to do all the work in getting my characters ready for transfer. I should not have to pay real money for additional options. This isn't MY choice. That choice is being made for me. I already have 9 characters on AV. I need to move 14 from HW. I have around 35 characters on PvE servers. I'd like the option of being able to move what characters I can't fit on AV to another PvE server so I don't lose any. Is that so wrong to ask?
  • NopiNopi ✭✭✭✭✭
    Garridan wrote: »
    Fallsmyer wrote: »
    They choose AV for several reasons.

    1) AV is a PVE server. People from HW are the ones being most inconvenienced here. Opening up free transfers to all servers doesn't make since because a large portion of the new servers community would just move to MT, as it has the healthiest and largest end-game community. Similarly TR would be chosen for PVE players. The new server would be killed before it ever had a chance, just like when HW was opened; it killed several of the other servers like VoT and LoT.

    2) AV can accommodate the new players without overpopulating the server. If they opened free transfers to TR, not only would a large amount of people transfer there because of its already establish community but it would add numbers to an already healthy community.

    Additionally, you aren't being forced to delete any characters. You are choosing to delete them because of your ignorance and fear. You don't understand what PVP servers are like but you have this preconceived notion that they are bad places with people killing each other 24/7 at every possible location on the map and there is no where you can hide and be safe. Enmasse has given you options, if you don't like those options then that is YOUR choice and you will have to pay money for other options. Stop QQing!!


    1) My suggestion was to open transfers to PvE servers (or all). It's an option for people to transfer to another PvE server that want NOTHING to do with PvP. If people want to stay on the new server, then so be it. Suggesting that people would want to move to MT is ridiculous, as it's a PvP server. Opening the HW server was to relieve the overcrowding on PvE servers. VoT and LoT are PvP servers that were not as populated in the first place because (*gasp*) there are a lot fewer PvP'ers than PvE.

    2) AV might be able to accommodate new players, but it's only fair that I get to KEEP my high-level characters and be able to transfer them onto any PvE server so I don't lose them. It's not us changing the status quo, it's the game.

    3) I AM being forced to delete characters that I love. I'm not deleting out of ignorance or fear as you suggest, but because I do not want my characters on a PvP server. Period. I want NOTHING to do with PvP. Therefore, I should have the OPTION of being able to transfer ALL of my HW characters to whichever PvE server(s) will accommodate them for FREE. Enmasse has given us a very restrictive option. I'm just asking that Enmasse give us expanded options to make the transition as smooth as possible with as little stress as possible. Just because I don't like the option, doesn't make my opinion invalid. I'm the one being inconvenienced. I'm the one who has to do all the work in getting my characters ready for transfer. I should not have to pay real money for additional options. This isn't MY choice. That choice is being made for me. I already have 9 characters on AV. I need to move 14 from HW. I have around 35 characters on PvE servers. I'd like the option of being able to move what characters I can't fit on AV to another PvE server so I don't lose any. Is that so wrong to ask?

    Personally, I completely understand you. It looks like a completely unfair move and I think EME should make exceptions instead of having people either deleting characters or having them trapped in a server they do not want to even log on into.

    But as I said before, the staff met between themselves and members of the community, pooled ideas and came up with this because they have to think about the whole, and the whole issue pointed in a way that if they opened free access for everyone to everything their new server would become a stillborn because I assume that due to terrible misinformation on the part of the HW pve community, pretty much all of HW would flee, leaving the whole scene as if only LoT and VoT were merged alone. Those players can't fit in MT because of overcrowding, but they are not enough to form their own server. There are a bunch of other reasons as well (like end game LFG, or the upcoming 30 man raid that cannot be instance matched, and other things) but these are what were at the top of my mind for now.

    I can only advise you to submit a ticket if you haven't done so, politely explaining your situation and what you need in full detail, including the full reason why you do not want to have characters in the new server at all. And please be honest with the reason. Just saying "Because I don't want to" would ruin any chances for you to get any help, as small as they may be right now. They need the info to know where to go, so be as honest as you can. If it's the ganking, say so. If it's the possibility of increased number of trolls or a more toxic community, say so. They need this data to know what players need and want.
  • edited August 2016
    Garridan wrote: »
    3) I AM being forced to delete characters that I love. I'm not deleting out of ignorance or fear as you suggest, but because I do not want my characters on a PvP server. Period. I want NOTHING to do with PvP. Therefore, I should have the OPTION of being able to transfer ALL of my HW characters to whichever PvE server(s) will accommodate them for FREE. Enmasse has given us a very restrictive option. I'm just asking that Enmasse give us expanded options to make the transition as smooth as possible with as little stress as possible. Just because I don't like the option, doesn't make my opinion invalid. I'm the one being inconvenienced. I'm the one who has to do all the work in getting my characters ready for transfer. I should not have to pay real money for additional options. This isn't MY choice. That choice is being made for me. I already have 9 characters on AV. I need to move 14 from HW. I have around 35 characters on PvE servers. I'd like the option of being able to move what characters I can't fit on AV to another PvE server so I don't lose any. Is that so wrong to ask?

    If it were even possible to make a "special exception" for you, it would not be fair to everyone else, who could then turn around and use the same excuse to argue that they too deserve free transfers to other servers. And as was already explained, this would further stratify people towards TR and MT, harming the new server before it has the opportunity to take off.

    My recommendation is just to wait and see. As a level 65 player on a PvP-65 server, there are no areas you need to go to progress that will be PvP areas: all cities, towns, teleportals, and the entirety of Island of Dawn are safe zones. To delete characters based on your principle when the actual tangible risk is negligible wouldn't be the most logical course of action. If you still can't bring yourself to actually enter the server due to your dislike of PvP (despite the low risk), then still just leave the characters there and wait to see what happens in the future. Perhaps something else will happen months from now that will provide another opportunity, or perhaps you'll be able to afford to transfer them one by one. But deleting them purely because of your hatred of PvP doesn't seem worth it.
  • EndevaEndeva ✭✭✭✭✭
    Garridan wrote: »
    NikuroTega wrote: »
    Nope.

    Being able to server transfer to ANY Server defeats the purpose of the merge. You shouldn't have any problems with your characters during transfer. If you want to transfer to another server that isn't AV, I suggest you buy some EMP.


    It doesn't defeat the purpose of the merge. I should NOT have to pay to transfer characters that won't fit on AV, nor should I have to pay for additional character slots.
    No one is forcing you to do anything, in fact you are given the option to server transfer to a PvE server for free.
  • NopiNopi ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ginjitsu wrote: »
    Garridan wrote: »
    NikuroTega wrote: »
    Nope.

    Being able to server transfer to ANY Server defeats the purpose of the merge. You shouldn't have any problems with your characters during transfer. If you want to transfer to another server that isn't AV, I suggest you buy some EMP.


    It doesn't defeat the purpose of the merge. I should NOT have to pay to transfer characters that won't fit on AV, nor should I have to pay for additional character slots.
    No one is forcing you to do anything, in fact you are given the option to server transfer to a PvE server for free.

    His problem is that he already has 9 characters on AV, so he cannot transfer all of his 14 HW characters there. On the other hand, nobody is actually forcing OP to delete what he has because the merger won't put him above the character limits. His characters will be alive and well in the new server. He's just extremely adamant on not wanting a single character on the new server for reasons unknown (reasons he has no obligation to tell us, mind you).

    All in all, mergers always affect some people adversely. There's no fixing that. Someone will always get the short end of the stick in these cases. But OP has the power to make his outlook look better or worse, depending on how positive or negative he wants to be. I'd vouch for him to look it in a "Hey! It wasn't so bad after all." way. But that's up to him.
  • Keep in mind, the server transfer isn't only for you. Imagine what would happen if EME opened free transfers to any and all PVE servers from the new FF server.

    Almost EVERYONE would go to TR. Some will hop to AV, some to CH, but most will hop to TR. And where would that leave the new FF server? With a population of the 10 who missed the transfer period.

    It sucks for you that you have more characters than you can have on one server, but this isn't just about you.
  • Saerath wrote: »
    Keep in mind, the server transfer isn't only for you. Imagine what would happen if EME opened free transfers to any and all PVE servers from the new FF server.

    Almost EVERYONE would go to TR. Some will hop to AV, some to CH, but most will hop to TR. And where would that leave the new FF server? With a population of the 10 who missed the transfer period.

    It sucks for you that you have more characters than you can have on one server, but this isn't just about you.

    Most people are already gonna abandon ship and go to AV,that will make AV a bit popular,but it would also leave the new server with less than optimal population,which is why we should pursue EME to allow free transfers TO the new FF server from other servers.
  • NopiNopi ✭✭✭✭✭
    THEPG wrote: »
    Saerath wrote: »
    Keep in mind, the server transfer isn't only for you. Imagine what would happen if EME opened free transfers to any and all PVE servers from the new FF server.

    Almost EVERYONE would go to TR. Some will hop to AV, some to CH, but most will hop to TR. And where would that leave the new FF server? With a population of the 10 who missed the transfer period.

    It sucks for you that you have more characters than you can have on one server, but this isn't just about you.

    Most people are already gonna abandon ship and go to AV,that will make AV a bit popular,but it would also leave the new server with less than optimal population,which is why we should pursue EME to allow free transfers TO the new FF server from other servers.

    I also support this idea and wonder why it wasn't implemented.
  • Nopi wrote: »
    THEPG wrote: »
    Saerath wrote: »
    Keep in mind, the server transfer isn't only for you. Imagine what would happen if EME opened free transfers to any and all PVE servers from the new FF server.

    Almost EVERYONE would go to TR. Some will hop to AV, some to CH, but most will hop to TR. And where would that leave the new FF server? With a population of the 10 who missed the transfer period.

    It sucks for you that you have more characters than you can have on one server, but this isn't just about you.

    Most people are already gonna abandon ship and go to AV,that will make AV a bit popular,but it would also leave the new server with less than optimal population,which is why we should pursue EME to allow free transfers TO the new FF server from other servers.

    I also support this idea and wonder why it wasn't implemented.

    Eme has been listening to community recently this year with all the stuff they gave,if more players would support this idea,I think Eme would make it happen.It's in their best interest too.
    Plus who would want to pay for a transfer to the new server when its likely to be abandoned by half of the players who will get merged there and making a new character might seem like a good idea too but the same applies.
  • Hello,
    Ginjitsu wrote: »
    Garridan wrote: »
    Character slot cap for each server is 16, enough room for 14 of your characters.

    Now... Try to do the math. It's rather simple: Garridan may have paid good money to get 14 characters on highwatch.

    Character cap is 2 free chars on each server. If he is a founder (I don't know if he is), he has 8 slots on AV. That means that he paid for 6 extra slots (if he is a founder) or 12 extra slots (if he is not).

    Why should he pay 6 or 12 extra slots (on AV) one more time to move when he already paid once for extra slots on HW? It is not his problem that EnMasse changes terms and conditions on the server he was on and paid money to get extra slots for.

    Now, if you were earning your money yourself, you might be attentive to that and that people, generally don't like to pay for other people's mistakes.

    And strictly speaking: It is not the user's problem if EnMasse has troubles filling their servers and users shouldn't be penalized for that. So I kind of agree with him: If Enmasse doesn't want to give him as many slots as he paid for on HW, they should either let him move to different servers, so he can spread his characters around or give him as many slots as he paid for on AV.

    Many people who paid slots on the different servers will now have to delete characters, to move them, and they might not be able to do so because of slots restriction... I guess many people will get (rightfully) p!ssed off.

    Regards,

    Tzil
  • Garridan wrote: »
    Honestly, it's pretty restrictive to only allow a free transfer from FeyForest to Ascension Valley. I think it should be a free transfer from FF to any of the other servers. I mean, come on, it's not our fault that a PvE and 2 PvP servers are merging, which basically messes up PvE players.

    I have 14 characters on Highwatch and 9 on Ascension Valley. I do not PvP. I can't stand it. I should not have to delete characters that I worked hard on and paid real money for. My second account won't have this problem, but I'm not happy about the prospects of transferring, which will be a LOT of work to do on my main account.

    There needs to be some sort of compromise here, and I think offering FREE transfers to any of the other PvE (or all) servers would go a long way to appease the players. For anyone with lots of characters, it's going to be very time-consuming, and a smoother process will really help.

    Whilst I understand your frustration, and I agree with your point, I can't help noticing that when there was discussion about the new server and the merge, you were silent.

    You didn't say anything back then, even though the thread was running for a while.

    So it is a bit late to complain when you weren't here to discuss it when it was time.

    I know several people who are sour about this merge but didn't say anything when time was to debate.

    So in short, I think that it's fine, that you know have to suffer the consequences.

    Next time, you might be speaking up when time is.

    Regards,

    Tzil
  • Garridan wrote: »
    I mean, come on, it's not our fault that a PvE and 2 PvP servers are merging, which basically messes up PvE players.

    You could argue that PvE players are already messed up, but okay ;-)

    Yes, it's your fault.

    You didn't speak up when En Masse created a thread about the server merge.

    En Masse got the impression that they had a good idea here, because only a few people said it was a bad idea.

    You weren't among them. You didn't tell En Masse that you didn't like the idea. They aren't mind readers. So thanks to you and others who didn't write, we now have a server merge.
  • i see a ton of player say "this server is dead from vot. lot and hw" well ... now dont cry .
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