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Server merge, HW being "Forced" to PvP

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  • Garridan wrote: »
    PvPers keep saying that PvE'ers are afraid and want to leave. I beg to differ. It's not about anything fearful. I originally moved many of my characters to HW to get away from 'overcrowding', plus many of my friends and I wanted to be together on ONE server.

    I chose PvE because I can't stand PvP. I've PvP'd enough on every other game I had that I got burned out. TERA was a nice game that I could enjoy the PvE aspects of it.

    Yeah, I'll be moving my 14 L65 players off of HW to AV. I want a more relaxed atmosphere of PvE. I don't want to worry about safe zones, looking behind me, ganking, or having to switch channels all the time. Why put more effort into something I can avoid?

    As a PvE player, I'm not bashing PvP or it's players. I'm not seeing the other PvE'ers doing it, either. I can't say the opposite is true. The nastiness I see in this thread comes pretty much from one side. Frankly, it's the same attitude I have seen over and over again in every game I have ever played that had PvE and PvP. The putdowns from the PvP players.

    Perhaps it's time to take the blinders off and see the forest through the trees. We are leaving HW/FF. All we want to do is enjoy what time we have left and make the move to a server we'll be happier to play on.

    Everyone has a right to express their opinion. Putting down PvE'ers because they don't want to play on a PvP server isn't cool. Again, I see this in every game I've ever played. Just let it go.

    Since when was I putting them down? All i'm just saying is, if they don't like it- leave.
  • thekor wrote: »
    Zeinsu wrote: »
    thekor wrote: »
    please.. get over yourself you aren't that special no one is and just because a small group of you special darling snowflakes complain about this doesn;t mean anything is going to happen sorry!

    You do realize the merge is likely the cause of endgame PvE community on HW complaining right? And look! Something is happening! I didn't read the rest of your post, cause seriously who is.

    Love that level of ignorance ya got going there pal! Thinking your server and the pve community is the only reason the merge is happening right now. the merge was not because you and pve community on high watch were the only ones complaining Lot and VoT have been asking for a merge for quite sometime after the creation of your server effectively killed them off. and High watch wasn't even that hugely popular of a pick it was because "oh look MTs open for free transfer bye!" that's the reason the servers died and the reason for the merge not because they all moved to highwatch.. tsk your ignorance is disgusting learn the facts before you speak.

    I'm not saying its the whole reason this merge is happening. Spacecats even went out and said our servers population is quite high and even compares to TR. I don't believe it in terms of server activity being the same, but I do believe the same amount of people play whether AFK or not. The ones who whined were HW's PvE community that basically had to search far and wide to get people to run things even remotely hard. HW was not the reason LoT and VoT died, the free transfers to MT were and if HW never existed players who opted for PvE servers would NEVER have chosen LoT/VoT anyway. Great logic.

    The only one ignorant here is you, especially when your response is hiding behind calling another person ignorant continuously and continuing to respond to HW server threads and acting like its affecting your whole family. Get a brain and ignore these threads if you have nothing constructive to say because frankly, you're embarrassing to both read and respond to.
  • Zeinsu wrote: »
    thekor wrote: »
    Zeinsu wrote: »
    thekor wrote: »
    please.. get over yourself you aren't that special no one is and just because a small group of you special darling snowflakes complain about this doesn;t mean anything is going to happen sorry!

    You do realize the merge is likely the cause of endgame PvE community on HW complaining right? And look! Something is happening! I didn't read the rest of your post, cause seriously who is.

    Love that level of ignorance ya got going there pal! Thinking your server and the pve community is the only reason the merge is happening right now. the merge was not because you and pve community on high watch were the only ones complaining Lot and VoT have been asking for a merge for quite sometime after the creation of your server effectively killed them off. and High watch wasn't even that hugely popular of a pick it was because "oh look MTs open for free transfer bye!" that's the reason the servers died and the reason for the merge not because they all moved to highwatch.. tsk your ignorance is disgusting learn the facts before you speak.

    I'm not saying its the whole reason this merge is happening. Spacecats even went out and said our servers population is quite high and even compares to TR. I don't believe it in terms of server activity being the same, but I do believe the same amount of people play whether AFK or not. The ones who whined were HW's PvE community that basically had to search far and wide to get people to run things even remotely hard. HW was not the reason LoT and VoT died, the free transfers to MT were and if HW never existed players who opted for PvE servers would NEVER have chosen LoT/VoT anyway. Great logic.

    The only one ignorant here is you, especially when your response is hiding behind calling another person ignorant continuously and continuing to respond to HW server threads and acting like its affecting your whole family. Get a brain and ignore these threads if you have nothing constructive to say because frankly, you're embarrassing to both read and respond to.

    god bless u
  • vkobevkobe ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2016
    YumiYoomi wrote: »

    Since when was I putting them down? All i'm just saying is, if they don't like it- leave.
    yes leave like people from highwatch, vot, lot did in the last 3 years and after the remnant people in the 3 servers beg for a merge, because their server are empty, so yes good answer tell to people to leave fey forest :lol:

  • vkobe wrote: »
    YumiYoomi wrote: »

    Since when was I putting them down? All i'm just saying is, if they don't like it- leave.
    yes leave like people from highwatch, vot, lot did in the last 3 years and after the remnant people in the 3 servers beg for a merge, because their server are empty, so yes good answer tell to people to leave fey forest :lol:

    It's a pvp server. If they seriously don't like it, there's a magical thing called the free server transfers to AV.
  • vkobevkobe ✭✭✭✭✭
    YumiYoomi wrote: »
    vkobe wrote: »
    YumiYoomi wrote: »

    Since when was I putting them down? All i'm just saying is, if they don't like it- leave.
    yes leave like people from highwatch, vot, lot did in the last 3 years and after the remnant people in the 3 servers beg for a merge, because their server are empty, so yes good answer tell to people to leave fey forest :lol:

    It's a pvp server. If they seriously don't like it, there's a magical thing called the free server transfers to AV.

    lot and vot also are pvp server, now look what they are now, suggesting people to leave fey forest is not what i call a good incentive argument
  • aeee98aeee98 ✭✭✭✭
    kormu wrote: »
    I won't ever join a pvp server. After all years of playing Aion and seeing all the hackers why would anyone from a pve server want join a pvp server. Who says same one that was hackers on Aion aren't here on pvp servers on Tera.

    There are hackers in Tera? Then again it is Aion which is published by the makers of BnS. Nothing much you can expect.

    Tera is hack proof for the sole reason that it is so easy to get caught if you do eventually break the code.
  • NopiNopi ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2016
    It's kind of sad that after all the talking, the misconception about a pvp server still exists and people on the pve side (at least some of the vocals here) feel they are forced into either it or forced to leave the server or worse, the game. Some on the pvp side are also not really helping by adding to the salt mound. :/

    The threads back and forth have only demonstrated that no matter what info there is, people will still have this huge misconception about what's going to happen, even though nothing has happened yet and in reality everyone can only assume at this point.

    Guess all I can do is keep calling to reason and to advice people to calm down and not jump the river before reaching it's shore.
  • aeee98aeee98 ✭✭✭✭
    Antlur wrote: »
    It's not even totally about 'being forced into pvp'. It's about wanting to avoid the typical types of attitudes that fester within pvp servers. A merge in general was massively needed for all three servers; what I'm not happy with is being forced off of a pve server onto a server that's not only bringing over all those attitudes that I originally avoided by rolling on a pve server but that is also going to be bringing in even more like-minded people.

    This is the quote that makes all the difference to the discussion tbh.

    I will start by explaining that the PvE/Casual community in VoT and LoT are similar to what Highwatch already has. If anything MT took all the PvErs away already anyway. If you feel it is bad, then I am afraid that you won't have fun even if you transfer to AV.

    The huge difference lies in the PvP community, which in Highwatch a large number moved because you get guilds who feed gvg wins and rating in Cutthroat just to get Skycastle. I am not too sure about the remaining community but I am very sure Highwatch's pvp community will get along pretty well with the others considering most of the pvp community too once came from a pvp server.

    OWPvPers are few and far between, so I can't really explain for them. But because they are few and far between you can see how unlikely you will get killed (Unless idiots from Highwatch decide to be a joker and turn red).

    Highwatch has more casual players than CH from what I recall. Most of them can't really coordinate in CS, which is the only battleground they do back then, and there is a large number that needs to overgear themselves to clear content. When a higher skilled playerbase joins them, I can only hope that the casuals of the other two servers can help Highwatch players out. And HOPEFULLY Highwatch can understand where they are coming from.

    Having played on both sides of the coin, I think that is the best answer I can give.

    TL;DR: Attitudes aren't really that much different except for the upper echelons.
  • aeee98aeee98 ✭✭✭✭
    Baldurdash wrote: »
    When servers merge I'm gonna be one of the first people to teleport to a random spot and "explore". We'll see how long it takes for someone to find me and try to murder my face off. I'm betting that I'll never be found.

    Even if you are found you can probably kill that guy with your +15 :^)
  • RKCRKC ✭✭✭
    I wish I was in a PVP server :C
  • aeee98 wrote: »
    Having played on both sides of the coin, I think that is the best answer I can give.

    TL;DR: Attitudes aren't really that much different except for the upper echelons.

    I've done the PvP server thing, I originally moved to AV when f2p happened because I was tired of the attitudes. I moved off AV to HW for a chance at a fresh group of new PvE players to hang out with and I'd be happy to move back to AV (if I wasn't full on characters) if EME was willing to rebind all my costumes, pets, char slots, wardrobe slots, and mounts that I paid actual cash for, but I don't see that happening. Heck I'd be happy to stay on the new server if they were willing to rebind or reimburse me and they removed the limit on blockable people. The biggest issue I'm having with this merger is that yes I'm being forced to be on a PvP server unless I want to repurchase everything and leave behind a ton of gold and items. Free transfers are nice and all but it doesn't do anything for me if I'm leaving behind gold and items because of restrictions.


    There's a pretty clear difference in attitudes. Admittedly I have no idea what HW's PvP community was like, since as a happy carebear, I don't participate in alliance, gvg, cs, 3v3, ect. but I was active in all of that back on MT and to an extent on AV as well. It sucks that the PvPers are the more vocal portion of this but it's not surprising. All the 'cry moar carebear.' 'I'll just come pk anyone that says they're unhappy' attitudes are what I was happy to be avoiding by being on a PvE server.

    EME has made up their minds, how much of that was pressure from the higher ups is not something we'll ever know, so all the arguments are a moot point anyways; but if you never air your grievances change can never happen. It is what it is.


    I'm old, I don't have the patience for the PvP crowd anymore. I just want to carebear in peace and unwisely spend my money on pretty things. The rational response was nice and unexpected though. Thanks for that <3
  • edited September 2016
    Antlur wrote: »
    EME has made up their minds, how much of that was pressure from the higher ups is not something we'll ever know, so all the arguments are a moot point anyways; but if you never air your grievances change can never happen. It is what it is.
    Based on the discussions in Player Council, it did not seem like there was any "pressure from higher ups" to involve HW, anyway. The decision was trying to consider how to use this opportunity to create a sustainable future for all three servers. HW had an end-game problem. LoT and VoT had a population problem. All three on their own did not seem likely to be able to sustain themselves over the long term, and would have problems with the new upcoming content. Hence, the solution of creating a unique kind of hybrid that removes the aspect most PvE players like least about PvP servers (the potential to be ganked while levelling). Creating this additional choice of server type is more likely to see continued interest and growth (for example, when a new class releases) than the alternatives, so is more likely to be sustainable. Everyone knew that some PvE players would not be happy, but we considered the way OWPvP actually works in the game to evaluate the effective risk, and considered that it was worth the trade-off, provided a way off was provided for those who refused to bear it (recognising that it was still important most people stick around).

    So anyway, all this just to say... it wasn't a decision made lightly or without at least trying to evaluate all the evidence, even though it was obvious people who avoided PvP on principle weren't going to like it.
  • The fact that all regions are getting server merges says that the initial decision came from higher ups. The PvP at 65 isn't even a unique server type it's just new for our region. It's not surprising that any of the three servers were going to experience a merge, the fact that we got the PvP at 65 server type isn't all that surprising, and the time that the merge is happening based on the other regions makes it even less surprising that it's happening when it is.

    How much of all of that combined was pushed to this timeframe by higher ups is something only they are going to know, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that most of the push for the three servers to be combined together instead of finding a better solution for all three didn't come out of deadline coming from the higher ups.
  • vkobevkobe ✭✭✭✭✭
    thekor wrote: »
    @ Vkobe yes its okay to tell the people to leave fey Forrest who are from high watch because is no more better off then LoT which still has more content clears then HW despite you being "one of the biggest servers for pve " which i find quite funny seems pvpers do more pve then you pvers.. which makes sense because that the only way to get money and compete sooo... your argument about high watch being a great pve server or whatever is pretty biased and stupid ..then again that's exactly what you are vkobe the worst [filtered] type of person one who takes a side on something without even knowing what the [filtered] is actually going on.. all you care is about one thing and even then you're [filtered] clueless on that.

    lol so have fun with your future empty server as you do in lot or lot :3

    so pls can you avoid to QQ in 2017 on how your futur server is empty after you asked people to leave fey forest ?

    only mount tyranna do more pve than highwatch, say to me what lot and vot do or did ? except QQ than their server dying

    my argument was than highwatch should be merged witrh a pve server and let your server dying together with other pvp server, it is highwatch i wish to be saved, i dont care if your server and the other pvp server sink

    anyway have fun to convince people to leave fey forest :3
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