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Priests should recieve Keen charm when using elite Talisman Trio

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  • TWMagimayTWMagimay ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2016
    Ardire wrote: »
    and this thread was going so well, too...... hello darkness my old friend.

    anyway i'm glad the majority agree on the preference on power over keen, having fun dying in SSHM and putting everything on hold while you go recharm power 'cause your talisman only gives you keen. which we all know is a huge lifesaver... that minuscule chance for a crit heal, the only heal that truly matters. same reason why every tryhard healer plays castanic for that crit passive

    Oh wait

    I'm sorry, I don't die in SS HM. Maybe that's why I don't see the value in your theory.

    PS: The majorty also agreed with speed charm rocks and TN is a useless skill.

    @Aetona who did those few tests?
  • AulonAulon ✭✭✭✭
    @TWMagimay they where done a long time ago back when crit heals where introduce, the math is some where in the older forums as well one post in these on the same topic. I will do a little research and see about finding it.
  • KaaiYuKaaiYu ✭✭
    Saying you should use Keen over Power because Power is useless to Priests implies Keen is useful, and it's not. The crit factor you get is too low to influence much of anything. In SSHM Power Charm is very useful on Priest for Imp. I'd even argue going Power Charm and throwing a Vortex off CD is more useful than the crit factor from Keen. Neither are the best thing ever, and arguing over it is just plain ridiculous.

    Since we're talking about crit factor, can I say that the crit factor roll on weapon is useless. Crit heals shouldn't be relied on in any way because you simply don't need them, so why roll it? The alternative is the MP roll which at least sometimes comes into play. When you die it helps, when you have to ress a lot it helps, and it just becomes useful more frequently than that one crit heal that saved someone. Anyone follow? Idk, food for though.
  • AulonAulon ✭✭✭✭
    The one thread in these forums

    forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/31802/#Comment_31802
  • RyouRyou ✭✭
    edited September 2016
    Frankly its a wash either way, but an ideal would be Keen for them. The extra power does nothing, the extra crit does almost nothing, except for something you shouldn't rely on... but still its something.

    Either way, as long as you don't use speed charm as a priest anyone you're fine.
  • EllieChuEllieChu ✭✭✭
    Depending on dungeon and playstyle, keen charms will affect healers more than power charms, sure theres special dungeons such as SS, but this is one dungeon. I cant remember a single dungeon before it where power charms were actually usefull for healers. A little bit more crit rate for healers is better than gaining nothing from a power charm

    To stay on topic tho, changing the elite talisman now would be kinda pointless since we're getting a new one this month with the new GvG update. Charms as a whole is also being removed, so rip min/maxing and rip charms in battlegrounds
  • RyouRyou ✭✭
    EllieChu wrote: »
    To stay on topic tho, changing the elite talisman now would be kinda pointless since we're getting a new one this month with the new GvG update. Charms as a whole is also being removed, so rip min/maxing and rip charms in battlegrounds

    Wait, what kind of changes are they making to it?
  • counterpointcounterpoint mod
    Ryou wrote: »
    EllieChu wrote: »
    To stay on topic tho, changing the elite talisman now would be kinda pointless since we're getting a new one this month with the new GvG update. Charms as a whole is also being removed, so rip min/maxing and rip charms in battlegrounds

    Wait, what kind of changes are they making to it?

    The entire stamina system is being removed and with it all charms. Consumables are being consolidated down to a much smaller number. There will essentially be one combat boost item in multiple tiers that will cover what the combination of nostrum + crit scroll + charms do now.
  • Ves1978Ves1978 ✭✭✭✭
    Brotherbros wrote: »
    I don't know which is worse, healers popping keen charm or speed charms. :X

    the worst is when someone throws random charms and you end up fighting with strenght/cadeceus/swift combo :D
  • TWMagimayTWMagimay ✭✭✭✭✭
    Aulon wrote: »
    The one thread in these forums

    forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/31802/#Comment_31802

    So, at least you've read one of the testers. Would you like to revise your claim that it's useless at this point? Or are you going to insist that a small benefit is the same thing as no benefit?

    @EllieChu The original FoK(especially HM) and WH HM were dungeons were power charm was somewhat useful. IN WH HM it was only good for undergeared healers who couldn't 1shot the pillar without it.
  • AulonAulon ✭✭✭✭
    Aulon wrote: »
    Keen charms do little to nothing for Priest as well, all Yellow Charms have little to offer them.

    Keen Charms increase your crit heals by a very small amount, I believe it is 1 extra crit out of 20

    Power Charms can be useful in SShm when it comes to mob phase, since mobs have an extremely high crit rate and healer are often place out further than DPS, it weighs on them to kill a percentage.

    Attack Speed only effects basic skills in which they are never used

    The Basic rule of thumb is Power>Keen for damage output

    I do not see where I claimed they do none, I do see how I mentioned how they did little, thank you though but please do not miss quote me again
  • TWMagimayTWMagimay ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2016
    Aulon wrote: »
    Aulon wrote: »
    Keen charms do little to nothing for Priest as well, all Yellow Charms have little to offer them.

    Keen Charms increase your crit heals by a very small amount, I believe it is 1 extra crit out of 20

    Power Charms can be useful in SShm when it comes to mob phase, since mobs have an extremely high crit rate and healer are often place out further than DPS, it weighs on them to kill a percentage.

    Attack Speed only effects basic skills in which they are never used

    The Basic rule of thumb is Power>Keen for damage output

    I do not see where I claimed they do none, I do see how I mentioned how they did little, thank you though but please do not miss quote me again

    Oh, yes, right, my bad. I asked Aetona about the testers, you took it upon yourself to speak for him/her so I assumed it was the same person and didn't think to doublecheck.
  • LamriousLamrious ✭✭
    Keen charm is nice to have as a healer since it helps with crit heals, but for doing any solo dungeon or SS, it's better to use power. There are times I do agree with you that healers should get a keen, but for the most part, power charm is better.

    If you're not doing SS or solo dungeons, go ahead and pop a keen charm
  • CraonomCraonom ✭✭
    I think using keen charms are more beneficial for crit healers. On my Mystic I crit heal around 70/100 with 35 + 272 crit, with food buffs and keen charm (35 + 300 something crit) my crits feel pretty much almost 100%. I feel that for other builds, keen charms are less effective.
  • TWMagimayTWMagimay ✭✭✭✭✭
    Motivated wrote: »
    So many different opinions, not sure which I should follow for my mystic, so I'll just stick to the Trio Charm and Nostrum from the elite bar.

    It's not really a matter of opinion. Each charm has a specific effect. Power charm is the super dps charm so, if you need to be dealing damage, you use that. Keen is the only charm that has a support-oriented effect(by increasing crit heal chance by a small amount) => if all you'll be doing is healing and support, keen is the only one that'll actually do anything.
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