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This server merge was a terrible mistake

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  • ZoknahalZoknahal ✭✭✭✭✭
    My god, i did not bothered to read through 6 pages of this. Just the title was enough to let me know this:

    First, people cry for a merge, and now they complain about it??? Is just like the mongo event when people cried for supply of feedstock and alkahest and other consumables, and once we had that, they started to complain about being too much??? you can never make anyone happy.
  • vkobevkobe ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2016
    Banim wrote: »
    The new server is what the community makes of it. I personally visited yesterday and as far as I could see, it was lively. If it doesn't work out you have nobody to blame but yourselves. EME did the right thing.

    because it was day one, wait first october to see if this server is so lived or tommorow when people will move to ascension valley
  • edited September 2016
    QKumber94 wrote: »
    QKumber94 wrote: »
    You guys aren't looking at it from other's perspectives! This is why I left PvP servers to begin with. Everyone's for themselves!

    Looking at it from your perspective, you seem awfully salty about something so drastic as a server merge, yet you barely bothered to go hunting for information about it. The server merge info and discussion has been pinned to the forums and discussed extensively in-game and in forums for WEEKS. Where were you when all of this was going on?

    If your network of friends isn't enough to provide you up-to-date information on the game you're playing, you need to find some better friends, or utilize the forums. Resources exist everywhere.

    Now, I haven't read this thread in its entirety because it sounds like you keep regurgitating the same complaints over and over. What exactly about a PVP65 server rubs you in the wrong way? Is it just because people can participate in OWPVP now and you're uncomfortable? The OWPVP at 65 has also been EXTENSIVELY DISCUSSED, and if you search through the forums a little, you'll find a ton of threads with great arguments about why OWPVP will NOT bother PVE-focused players.

    TL;DR Please read the many many server merge discussion threads before complaining about it after it's happened.
    Not everyone who plays the game spends much time, if any, on the forums. I was never informed of this discussion until today. On top of that, I'm looking out for my guild and my friends. -snip-

    As a guild master myself (I have been leading the same guild in AV for over 2 years now,) I find it incredibly disheartening to see another guild master that refuses to keep up to date on the game he/she is leading a guild in. Other people have already said my points; your simultaneous inability to adapt and persistent ignorance is to blame for your discontent.
  • Well HW was my home and just because we got a new coat of paint and they renamed the street doesn't change the fact that our family still exists.
    So far I have had NO issues with anyone in the server and welcome the new people.

    I say TY EME - Smart move and we appreciate the larger community
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2016
    Ginjitsu wrote: »

    200k gold limit is per character. If you have extra slots, I recommend placing extra slots in the inventory of the first character you plan to server transfer to AV.

    And How I Will transfer 9 Toons with all my inventory tabs full, all my wardrobe full and almost all the inventory full for everyone, plus the items on the broker, and 3 million golds?

    Do You care to explain?

    Please, tell me how without spending money.
  • edited September 2016
    It's like being in a boardroom meeting and your opinion gets out-voted, no matter how good you think it was. It wasn't possible to accomplish the objectives of the merger and make everyone happy.
    Except its not a board room, its a game, and people are far more likely to leave a game than they would employment if they feel they are being treated badly.
    The status quo on HW was also causing some people to leave because they felt they were "treated badly" by not having a sustainable end-game community, and not having an affordable path to a better server. Given the options that were on the table, this was the one that seemed to solve the most problems, but there are no perfect solutions. It was felt that it was better to do this than to leave HW out of it in its existing state, and full mergers with other PvE servers were not on the table due to population constraints.

    If your criteria is "there will be some unhappy people and they will leave the game," it will be hard to make any decision. You still try to mitigate it, but the only way is to look objectively at the evidence.

    Its an unfortunate bussiness decision that its the ones who spend money (large numbers of character/bank slots so they cannot move) that are the ones treated worst.
    Hoping the majority of these spending players will magically decide they like pvp even though they signed up for a pve server is naive.
    It's not a question of "liking PvP." It's a question of understanding the actual effective dynamics of PvP on a PvP-65 server, and the fact that it's completely possible to progress all the way through end-game without ever having to leave a safe zone with the way the game is designed now. This is the same way the game is played completely in K-TERA, as they don't even have "PvE" servers, so players there who dislike PvP are able to get by entirely without being inconvenienced. It's baked into the design of TERA. Many PvE players just aren't aware of how it works. It doesn't mean they'll turn around and like PvP; just like in K-TERA, many will remain PvE-only.

    The "it's not what I signed up for" issue also extends to broader issues like the lacking end-game community on HW -- people didn't sign up for that either, but it's an issue they faced. So solving that problem required a creative solution that requires everyone to do a bit of compromising on their principles.

    And besides, if it's people who spent money to get those character/bank slots probably already purchased a physical copy of the game (which is the best investment you can make), and have the ability to afford the remaining slots they need, if they really insist on fully moving over. The people who had more than 16 (or even more than 32) combined characters are in an even more perilous situation with no real solution short of deleting characters, and they arguably paid even more.

    It might be a good idea to allow elite players and those who have spent above a certain amount of real world money in total to move everything to av if they choose.
    It would not be fair just to allow "select" people to do this, particularly by those criteria. The selection process would just invite even more drama and accusations of unfairness. But allowing everyone to move everything would run counter to the objective of the merger (which requires most people to stick around to make FF better). So there's no real fair solution to address the concerns.
  • DokibunDokibun ✭✭✭✭
    "And while we've been given the option to transfer to AV, "

    ^^^ You said it yourself. EME has NO way to please everyone, and they did what they thought was best. I don't usually defend EME because they [filtered] up a lot, but just go to AV. Make new friends. Grow new roots.
  • QKumber94 wrote: »
    QKumber94 wrote: »
    You guys aren't looking at it from other's perspectives! This is why I left PvP servers to begin with. Everyone's for themselves!

    Looking at it from your perspective, you seem awfully salty about something so drastic as a server merge, yet you barely bothered to go hunting for information about it. The server merge info and discussion has been pinned to the forums and discussed extensively in-game and in forums for WEEKS. Where were you when all of this was going on?

    If your network of friends isn't enough to provide you up-to-date information on the game you're playing, you need to find some better friends, or utilize the forums. Resources exist everywhere.

    Now, I haven't read this thread in its entirety because it sounds like you keep regurgitating the same complaints over and over. What exactly about a PVP65 server rubs you in the wrong way? Is it just because people can participate in OWPVP now and you're uncomfortable? The OWPVP at 65 has also been EXTENSIVELY DISCUSSED, and if you search through the forums a little, you'll find a ton of threads with great arguments about why OWPVP will NOT bother PVE-focused players.

    TL;DR Please read the many many server merge discussion threads before complaining about it after it's happened.
    Not everyone who plays the game spends much time, if any, on the forums. I was never informed of this discussion until today. On top of that, I'm looking out for my guild and my friends. -snip-

    As a guild master myself (I have been leading the same guild in AV for over 2 years now,) I find it incredibly disheartening to see another guild master that refuses to keep up to date on the game he/she is leading a guild in. Other people have already said my points; your simultaneous inability to adapt and persistent ignorance is to blame for your discontent.

    I've been going through a lot this last month. Family stuff, work stuff, etc. Don't act like you know the situation.
  • ElinUsagi wrote: »
    Ginjitsu wrote: »

    200k gold limit is per character. If you have extra slots, I recommend placing extra slots in the inventory of the first character you plan to server transfer to AV.

    And How I Will transfer 9 Toons with all my inventory tabs full, all my wardrobe full and almost all the inventory full for everyone, plus the items on the broker, and 3 million golds?

    Do You care to explain?

    Please, tell me how without spending money.

    You have 3 million gold and a bank/wardrobe full of assets. It seems to me that it's time to play the market.

    Of course there's no solution where you can do nothing and just automatically get moved over, and as already established that's by design to encourage people to stay. My advice to you, as someone who is PvE-focused with many characters on HW (now FF) is to stay because the effective risk is near zero. But if you can't do it for whatever reason, might as well take it as an opportunity and try to make the best of it. There are some important market factors that can be leveraged right now with all this going on, and the gold profit from leveraging that supply/demand should be able to buy the slots you need.
  • EndevaEndeva ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2016
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    Ginjitsu wrote: »

    200k gold limit is per character. If you have extra slots, I recommend placing extra slots in the inventory of the first character you plan to server transfer to AV.

    And How I Will transfer 9 Toons with all my inventory tabs full, all my wardrobe full and almost all the inventory full for everyone, plus the items on the broker, and 3 million golds?

    Do You care to explain?

    Please, tell me how without spending money.

    Not going to explain everything since you're a big boy/girl and can figure it out yourself but here's a few ideas...

    There's pet banks, convert gold into gems/costumes/cosumbles, each new character can carry upto 200k, and play smarter.
  • edited September 2016
    Ginjitsu wrote: »
    There's pet banks, convert gold into gems/costumes/cosumbles, and each new character can carry upto 200k.
    Actually, that's the easiest if you don't even want to bother trying to profit from the situation. Buy the slots on the broker (beyond the four that were free), transfer a few characters over, use all the slots to have capacity, create a whole bunch of mules and transfer them over, delete the mules, wait the 24-hour countdown, and then move the rest of the real characters.

    (I still don't see the point, but hey, it would work. It may take a few "trips.")
  • BanimBanim ✭✭✭
    edited September 2016
    Banim wrote: »
    I still do not think the PvE+PvP merge into a PvP server is a big deal, but that's just my opinion. And for the record I'm on a PvE server. I wouldn't mind if I got merged into a PvP one, and I'm not a PvP player.
    If you want to be on a PvP server why aren't you on one? Most people who choose a server know the server type they want before they choose it.

    It would have been a far smarter decision to merge the pvp servers into a full pvp server not just level 65, and merge highwatch onto one of the other pve servers. That way everyone would get the server type they chose. Now no one of the merged servers does.

    You missed my point. I don't want to be in a PvP server any more than I want to be in mine, I'm a PvE player. But it just doesn't matter. I've leveled on MT before and never had any issue whatsoever with the open world PvP. People always left me alone, and in the event someday they do not, there are ways to avoid it. People are just making a huuuuge ruckus about the server having OW PvP. It has little to zero impact on your PvE. So if I was one day dumped into a PvP server, I wouldn't give a damn, because I'll continue going about my business.

    Not saying they couldn't have merged servers differently, but I'm saying that what happened, happened, and it isn't so bad at all.
  • Banim wrote: »
    The new server is what the community makes of it. I personally visited yesterday and as far as I could see, it was lively. If it doesn't work out you have nobody to blame but yourselves. EME did the right thing.

    what you see as good only makes you the same as all the others in global,
    1) lfg was clustered by zillion post 1% of which were for dungeons others were trolling,
    2) global chat reached new level of toxicity when those pvpers from lot joined vot and now it is one insane spam where you cant even advertise anything cause 10m ppl spam insults to each other,
    3) eme made those who will transfer spend hard earned gold or even real money on char slots and bank expansions,
    4) eme made us delete developed characters cause you cant reach so many slots
    5) eme forced pve server to merge pvp
    6) eme made zillion events 90% of which were fails
    7) eme made an event with huge mistakes then repeated the similar event in a few months again and repeated mistakes instead of learning something from it....
    the list can go on forever, what i can see you are just a ghost account from one of eme employees who are there to praise themselves that they did a good job
    An exp player being here for years can see fail after fail after fail and recognize it....those newbies cannot understand that and what is happening to the game. Sure the new server is bigger then those 3 individually were (cause they are merged :D) but the point is some number of people left and more will in time, new mmos are coming out every day, and since tonka and some others left it is like only coffee buying ladies work there, amateurs after amateurs, but somehow we spend real money on enmasse points and fill their pockets? are we really that stupid? yes we are and we will always be!!!
  • BanimBanim ✭✭✭
    edited September 2016
    salE983 wrote: »
    Banim wrote: »
    The new server is what the community makes of it. I personally visited yesterday and as far as I could see, it was lively. If it doesn't work out you have nobody to blame but yourselves. EME did the right thing.

    what you see as good only makes you the same as all the others in global,
    1) lfg was clustered by zillion post 1% of which were for dungeons others were trolling,
    2) global chat reached new level of toxicity when those pvpers from lot joined vot and now it is one insane spam where you cant even advertise anything cause 10m ppl spam insults to each other,
    3) eme made those who will transfer spend hard earned gold or even real money on char slots and bank expansions,
    4) eme made us delete developed characters cause you cant reach so many slots
    5) eme forced pve server to merge pvp
    6) eme made zillion events 90% of which were fails
    7) eme made an event with huge mistakes then repeated the similar event in a few months again and repeated mistakes instead of learning something from it....
    the list can go on forever, what i can see you are just a ghost account from one of eme employees who are there to praise themselves that they did a good job
    An exp player being here for years can see fail after fail after fail and recognize it....those newbies cannot understand that and what is happening to the game. Sure the new server is bigger then those 3 individually were (cause they are merged :D) but the point is some number of people left and more will in time, new mmos are coming out every day, and since tonka and some others left it is like only coffee buying ladies work there, amateurs after amateurs, but somehow we spend real money on enmasse points and fill their pockets? are we really that stupid? yes we are and we will always be!!!

    You speak as if I'm a new player and wouldn't recognize fails. But I've been here since February 2013 actively, every day, and do recognize fails. I don't think this is one. If server doesn't work out, that isn't EME's fault (I go back to what I say, "the new server is what the community makes of it"). Global chat being toxic? Big news.

    A lot of people wanted a merge, and it happened. It might not have been the way some people wanted, but geez, stop being soooo negative about absolutely every single thing.
  • vkobevkobe ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2016
    metagame wrote: »
    because players from all three of their respective servers asked for it.

    show me the post where highwach asked to be merged with vot or lot

    or a post where lot and vot asked to be merged with highwatch
    Banim wrote: »
    salE983 wrote: »
    Banim wrote: »
    The new server is what the community makes of it. I personally visited yesterday and as far as I could see, it was lively. If it doesn't work out you have nobody to blame but yourselves. EME did the right thing.

    what you see as good only makes you the same as all the others in global,
    1) lfg was clustered by zillion post 1% of which were for dungeons others were trolling,
    2) global chat reached new level of toxicity when those pvpers from lot joined vot and now it is one insane spam where you cant even advertise anything cause 10m ppl spam insults to each other,
    3) eme made those who will transfer spend hard earned gold or even real money on char slots and bank expansions,
    4) eme made us delete developed characters cause you cant reach so many slots
    5) eme forced pve server to merge pvp
    6) eme made zillion events 90% of which were fails
    7) eme made an event with huge mistakes then repeated the similar event in a few months again and repeated mistakes instead of learning something from it....
    the list can go on forever, what i can see you are just a ghost account from one of eme employees who are there to praise themselves that they did a good job
    An exp player being here for years can see fail after fail after fail and recognize it....those newbies cannot understand that and what is happening to the game. Sure the new server is bigger then those 3 individually were (cause they are merged :D) but the point is some number of people left and more will in time, new mmos are coming out every day, and since tonka and some others left it is like only coffee buying ladies work there, amateurs after amateurs, but somehow we spend real money on enmasse points and fill their pockets? are we really that stupid? yes we are and we will always be!!!

    You speak as if I'm a new player and wouldn't recognize fails. But I've been here since February 2013 actively, every day, and do recognize fails. I don't think this is one. If server doesn't work out, that isn't EME's fault (I go back to what I say, "the new server is what the community makes of it"). Global chat being toxic? Big news.

    A lot of people wanted a merge, and it happened. It might not have been the way some people wanted, but geez, stop being soooo negative about absolutely every single thing.

    i have to agree with sale, enmasse is responsible for this situation, they created highwatch and open free transfert to mount tyranna, we are in this situation because their fiasco in august 2015
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