As a healer how do you feel about the duo-heal meta?

Shinku89 · September 2016

I main both priest and a zerk , and I must say, I hate duo healing as priest, but love the crits of duo heals on zerk.
So, when I measure between the dps' and healer's wishes, I think healers lose more than the dps.
DPS are mainly selfish with the duo heal, they don't *need* it. but they liike the double heals and double buffs. They attack mroe and it looks better on the DPS meter.
But healers suffer from this the most. They can't learn to heal properly this way. ALL dungeon can be solo healed, so when it's double heals, it's so boring, it's not even worth doing. It may be a good practice for healers in HM dungeons like SSHM, where you're new to the dungeon and u wanna see how it's like ... but duo healing won't get you anywhere skill-wise. either you're carrying a healer or you're being carried.
there's literally no need for 2 healers in a 5 man dungeon. or dfnm especially.
DFH, can manage one healer as logn as the tank is good (in last boss).

TWMagimay · September 2016

If you choose to stop doing part of your job, that's on you, not the double healer system. You decide to rely on the other person to do it instead of doing it yourself. The only thing I tend to let priests do is resurrect for the obvious reason, and only give them a limited amount of time to get to it. Anything else, it's like that priest isn't there.

Mapris · September 2016

I see the duo-healing as a shift in the difficulty of game play. The game has easier-to-pass damage checks and unskilled players needing more heals. The game will get more and more easy as time goes on. Maybe there will be 3 healer in a party of 5 meta in the future.

dinners · September 2016

I think, 2 healers in normal mode is good for new players. But, I hate 2 healer party in hardmode even when I play as lancer/ brawler.

Pinopy · September 2016

TWMagimay wrote: »

If you choose to stop doing part of your job, that's on you, not the double healer system. You decide to rely on the other person to do it instead of doing it yourself. The only thing I tend to let priests do is resurrect for the obvious reason, and only give them a limited amount of time to get to it. Anything else, it's like that priest isn't there.

I agree that just because there are two healers it doesn't mean that one should sit back expecting the other to do everything, but there are also so many times where the party does not need that much healing or mana support. Like, yea, you can keep healing them but you only need to heal so much. What is the point of a priest and mystic healing people who don't need heals from both? (example training runs)

And yea most people take duo heal for the debuffs and mana but as I said above if you are in a run with people who don't need that much heals you're kinda left with debuffs and mana. Of course not saying you wont heal at all but a LOT less than if you were a solo healer.

When I get on my priest or my mystic, I want to do 100% of the healers job, not 50 or 75%
(excluding dsu queen and that's about it since that is the only place I feel my heals are actually needed even with a priest)

TWMagimay · September 2016

Pinopy wrote: »

TWMagimay wrote: »

If you choose to stop doing part of your job, that's on you, not the double healer system. You decide to rely on the other person to do it instead of doing it yourself. The only thing I tend to let priests do is resurrect for the obvious reason, and only give them a limited amount of time to get to it. Anything else, it's like that priest isn't there.

I agree that just because there are two healers it doesn't mean that one should sit back expecting the other to do everything, but there are also so many times where the party does not need that much healing or mana support. Like, yea, you can keep healing them but you only need to heal so much. What is the point of a priest and mystic healing people who don't need heals from both? (example training runs)

And yea most people take duo heal for the debuffs and mana but as I said above if you are in a run with people who don't need that much heals you're kinda left with debuffs and mana. Of course not saying you wont heal at all but a LOT less than if you were a solo healer.

When I get on my priest or my mystic, I want to do 100% of the healers job, not 50 or 75%
(excluding dsu queen and that's about it since that is the only place I feel my heals are actually needed even with a priest)

You are contradicting yourself. If you are doing your job the way you normally do it, you wouldn't be doing 50% or 75%. Granted, one of you will be overhealing but that's always been the case in Tera(as opposed to games with a greater variety in heals where you choose based on how much you need to heal). As long as you are not sitting there, waiting for the other healer to heal, you'll be healing at the exact same rate as if you were solohealing.

Chriseh · September 2016

I've never been a fan of double healing. It started as me having a mystic/priest friend and bringing them onto my runs, which required me to double heal since I didn't DPs at all at the time. I think most healers agree double healing is boring, your job is made effortless by another healer doing that same job. It's only when that healer is trappy or dieing that you can briefly experience what it is to solo heal, and when you're the one trapping you're grateful for the second healer.

It allows people to be lazy. Solo healing endgame bosses with difficult mechanics you see that people are more inclined to take risks with the expectation heals will always be there because they're used to having two healers. It'll be a welcomed change when we're solo healing again, none of this nonsense where DPs classes claim healing is the easiest thing to do - because it's not meant to be the easiest role to fill.

Tsupuki · September 2016

I, personally, enjoy double healer runs. As someone who is new to healing classes, I find it very helpful to have another healer with me. It takes some weight off my shoulders because I have someone else I can rely on. I enjoy healing classes (but I'm not the best), so this system really gives me a chance to play it more often. Although having two healers, I still do my best to heal.

However, I can see a couple of reasons why this system can be quite annoying:

- One of the healers might slack off. They might not do their job because they know that there is another healer in the party to take care of the other players.
- Lost in DPS. Many people (according to Area Chat), dislike having duo healers because they finish the dungeon much slower.
- Competition for gear. A priest was ranting in World Chat about how he should've gotten x gear if it weren't for the other healer in his party.
- (Apparently) Longer queue times.

5H96Y49G6D · September 2016

^
Mystic is another DPS just like how double or tripple tank tank Lancer/War/Brawler is basically in disguise another DPS
The supports boost other members DPS to stupid lvls so if run slower the DPS in party slacking

KattyKira · September 2016

Personally, I like the double healer meta at times when learning a new dungeon or when pug'ing. It helps alleviate a little stress knowing that if you royally screw up, someone can cover for you.

However, once I know a dungeon, I prefer when on healer to heal it solo, though when its a bad group I end up regretting that decision at times.

It's like when tanking as lancer, I prefer to main tank, but when I know I don't know the fight well, I like having one of the off-tanky classes to tank if I make a bad mistake.

And generally, its so easy to gear now a days in mid-tier gear, that there is little competition... At least all the runs I've queued for most drop on the gear rolls as they have or have better gear than the box that dropped. Just do VQs if you lacking specific pieces too.

EDIT: and if you in a guild, then the guild will generally help you gear, so why be concerned with competition over gear?

Hyspherical · September 2016

I'm a dps and I hate that there are other dps in the party!

No but seriously, aren't they nerfing this in the future? The issue for healers was FIHM which made some healers lazy. And mystic became easier to play and had op dps so people rolled it. While some people say they hate it, some healers actually like it because they aren't confident enough in a dungeon. It's a huge perk to have another player who can cast res without putting a scroll on cd. Wipes are a lot less likely.

There's pros and cons to both. When everyone saw that kTera was doing double heal in FIHM patch everyone lost their shiz and thought it only just becoming meta... it's been awesome for a long time if you have competent dpsers. The only time it was 'bad' I think was around TSHM patch? They had done some nerfs at some point, I don't remember.

Allwordnoplay · September 2016

Idk wtf everyone is talking about but it's never once been an issue for me. Nobody "refuses" to run solo heal dngs, nobody even ever brings the topic up ever. They'll put the option in the lfg message and if 2 healers apply then we roll 2 heals deep in that [filtered]. If I have to solo heal it, then i do. It's more intensive for me but I adjust and make it work. No where in the TOS does it say a party must consist of 1 tank, 3 DPs, and 1 healer. It's an MMO, you do what you want.

KattyKira · September 2016

Allwordnoplay wrote: »

Idk wtf everyone is talking about but it's never once been an issue for me. Nobody "refuses" to run solo heal dngs, nobody even ever brings the topic up ever. They'll put the option in the lfg message and if 2 healers apply then we roll 2 heals deep in that [filtered]. If I have to solo heal it, then i do. It's more intensive for me but I adjust and make it work. No where in the TOS does it say a party must consist of 1 tank, 3 DPs, and 1 healer. It's an MMO, you do what you want.

Agreed, especially in IMS groups no one every bothers even mentioning it. However, in some guild group runs, people kind of request preferences... but its kind of a mute point since those guilds usually eventually form statics to run with.

Catorii · September 2016

Allwordnoplay wrote: »

Idk wtf everyone is talking about but it's never once been an issue for me. Nobody "refuses" to run solo heal dngs, nobody even ever brings the topic up ever. They'll put the option in the lfg message and if 2 healers apply then we roll 2 heals deep in that [filtered]. If I have to solo heal it, then i do. It's more intensive for me but I adjust and make it work. No where in the TOS does it say a party must consist of 1 tank, 3 DPs, and 1 healer. It's an MMO, you do what you want.

I actually saw plenty of healers refusing to solo-heal FIHM (and, actually, some DPS/tanks that refused to run with only one healer - probably facetankers). That's really when people started getting spoiled. I solohealed it fine, but didn't mind running with a mystic. There was somewhat of a trend after that of people refusing to solo-heal things, but it died down a bit. Not sure how it is now; haven't logged in in a few months.

Deleted User · September 2016

I must say that I've noticed something else. Not so much the healers becoming lazy (yes i had a run with a mystic just standing there and opening boxes cause why not?) But actually the DPS being lazy to iframe attacks cause they can be heal carried... and I'm talking here about dungeons like SSH and DSU.
This double healer thing started since FIH came out. The bosses curse was easly managable even at 2 stacks by a single heal... as I used to solo heal the entire dungeon. Even the last boss mechanic was a piece of cake imho, yet people kept running with dual heals and they were not really cappable of solo heal clear. (i mean the veteran players who know their class well)
Also, SSH IS managable as a solo priest (which i have done multiple times) AND solo mystic.
Unfortunately, from what i have seen, people do think that ress bait behind the tank is more important than keeping the boss debuffed at all times, in which the reality is the opposite. Truth is that doing both at the very same time (debuffs and puddles) are WAY easier with another healer (especialy for a priest whose TN lasts for mere 10 seconds) but this really does NOT mean it isnt managable alone. Im not going to mention second debuff and aura as i believe that another DPS in the mystic spot would do the same dmg as these provide or, maybe, even better.

As a healer how do you feel about the duo-heal meta?

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