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This server merge was a terrible mistake

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  • So tired of trying to do dailies at 65 and getting attacked and then followed across channels by the same people. Found a boss in Highwatch and got killed by the person that attacked me while fighting him. ARGH.
  • OH.MY.GOD

    Seriously, what a bunch of whiners, thats what you all are. I played on MT, i played in HW, and now on MT and FF, the chances of you getting killed are very low, 90% of the vanguard quests can be done via sitting in HW/Velika and joining LFG groups, and the iod zone is safe. The only reason you'd leave a safe zone if you are a pure pver is to do the gathering quests which are pretty much a waste of a vanguard quest.
    jeffra67 wrote: »
    So tired of trying to do dailies at 65 and getting attacked and then followed across channels by the same people. Found a boss in Highwatch and got killed by the person that attacked me while fighting him. ARGH.

    Idk what dailies you are doing, but you are probably wasting credits. The most important dailies can be done inside safezones, all of them.
  • QKumber94 wrote: »
    Its simple to understand. Those of us who don't want to stay should have the option to take everything they had with them.

    This is harmless to those who want to stay.
    No, because it's essential to have this leverage to encourage people to stay. If everyone from FF just decides without due consideration to migrate all their characters to AV simply because it's PvE and there's absolutely zero cost/consequence to moving, what would have been the point of getting HW involved in the merger in the first place? It is not harmless to those who want to stay, because the benefit of the merger is only realized if most people stick around. It's important that the option to migrate to AV is less appealing than sticking around for most people, except for those who feel so strongly about it that they consider it worth the hassle and possible additional cost (whether via gold or otherwise). It must be a secondary less-beneficial option, not an equal one.

    Otherwise, they would have been better off to merge LoT and VoT and open free inbound transfers to it. But the reason why you can't do that is precisely because this merger is aiming to help HW's end-game problem. If HW end-game players did in fact decide to migrate to the new server in pursuit of better end-game opportunities, it would place HW in an even-deeper hole, particularly in considering the 30-person raid and GvG content to come. It would have just continued HW on a path that would have needed another merger in the near-to-mid-term future.

    I do actually understand how you feel about PvP and your reasons for wanting to stay on a PvE server, but when you make comments like this -- that allude to the fact that giving you what you're asking for would be without consequence and anyone who speaks against it is some sort of bad person with questionable priorities -- you aren't considering the big picture of this merger. That hurts the credibility of your argument. The very fact that this merger happened is precisely because there are larger issues at play than the fact that some PvE players cannot and will not compromise about PvP on their server. It was in realizing that some people would be in that camp, and that this would be the natural tendency for people not familiar with how OWPvP works, that we have the current arrangement. Even though you don't like it because it personally impacts you in a negative way, and that's totally understandable, there are still reasons why it's important.
  • Based12 wrote: »
    OH.MY.GOD

    Seriously, what a bunch of whiners, thats what you all are. I played on MT, i played in HW, and now on MT and FF, the chances of you getting killed are very low, 90% of the vanguard quests can be done via sitting in HW/Velika and joining LFG groups, and the iod zone is safe. The only reason you'd leave a safe zone if you are a pure pver is to do the gathering quests which are pretty much a waste of a vanguard quest.
    jeffra67 wrote: »
    So tired of trying to do dailies at 65 and getting attacked and then followed across channels by the same people. Found a boss in Highwatch and got killed by the person that attacked me while fighting him. ARGH.

    Idk what dailies you are doing, but you are probably wasting credits. The most important dailies can be done inside safezones, all of them.

    Its not just the risk of pkers. Its the community in general. If you look at pvp server chat and pve server chat side by side, its gonna be obvious which one is for ppl who just love to have fun. Its freedom of choosing how you get to play your own way that makes the game fun.
  • QKumber94 wrote: »
    Its simple to understand. Those of us who don't want to stay should have the option to take everything they had with them.

    This is harmless to those who want to stay.
    No, because it's essential to have this leverage to encourage people to stay. If everyone from FF just decides without due consideration to migrate all their characters to AV simply because it's PvE and there's absolutely zero cost/consequence to moving, what would have been the point of getting HW involved in the merger in the first place? It is not harmless to those who want to stay, because the benefit of the merger is only realized if most people stick around. It's important that the option to migrate to AV is less appealing than sticking around for most people, except for those who feel so strongly about it that they consider it worth the hassle and possible additional cost (whether via gold or otherwise). It must be a secondary less-beneficial option, not an equal one.

    Otherwise, they would have been better off to merge LoT and VoT and open free inbound transfers to it. But the reason why you can't do that is precisely because this merger is aiming to help HW's end-game problem. If HW end-game players did in fact decide to migrate to the new server in pursuit of better end-game opportunities, it would place HW in an even-deeper hole, particularly in considering the 30-person raid and GvG content to come. It would have just continued HW on a path that would have needed another merger in the near-to-mid-term future.

    I do actually understand how you feel about PvP and your reasons for wanting to stay on a PvE server, but when you make comments like this -- that allude to the fact that giving you what you're asking for would be without consequence and anyone who speaks against it is some sort of bad person with questionable priorities -- you aren't considering the big picture of this merger. That hurts the credibility of your argument. The very fact that this merger happened is precisely because there are larger issues at play than the fact that some PvE players cannot and will not compromise about PvP on their server. It was in realizing that some people would be in that camp, and that this would be the natural tendency for people not familiar with how OWPvP works, that we have the current arrangement. Even though you don't like it because it personally impacts you in a negative way, and that's totally understandable, there are still reasons why it's important.

    Interesting that you quote things and cut things out to make yourself look good.
    QKumber94 wrote: »
    I don't see why ppl who this doesn't concern feel the need to comment on it or be condescending. All yall who're talking [filtered] on me for drama are guilty of just that.
    Its simple to understand. Those of us who don't want to stay should have the option to take everything they had with them. There's no point in having 4 bank slots and a ton of char slots on a server you don't intend to use.

    This is harmless to those who want to stay. So trying to fight about it only says something about YOU.

  • Furthermore. It WOULD be harmless. Because it was 2 pvp servers and 1 pve server to begin with. Assuming its merely a portion of just the 1 pve server that wants out, It would barely leave a dent in the new server. The ppl who want out are already leaving anyway. But forcing them to leave behind unused bank and character slots does nothing. Its a waste. EME has been known to care about their community. They aren't ones to just force players to pay for what they already had. At least that's how it used to seem. I still love EME. But its ridiculous the lack of foresight they had with this.
  • actually i played FF server and it's great very lively and active :> and not much pvp going on as of yet and the people are friendly even if there pvp/pve players
  • EndevaEndeva ✭✭✭✭✭
    QKumber94 wrote: »
    I don't see why ppl who this doesn't concern feel the need to comment on it or be condescending. All yall who're talking [filtered] on me for drama are guilty of just that.
    Its simple to understand. Those of us who don't want to stay should have the option to take everything they had with them. There's no point in having 4 bank slots and a ton of char slots on a server you don't intend to use.

    This is harmless to those who want to stay. So trying to fight about it only says something about YOU.

    Who are you to say who can comment or not!? Keep in mind that the Tera forums is open to the public, and is owned by En Masse and not you.

    I guess its easier to dismiss others' comments as bashing or condescending instead of trying to continue the discussion...
  • QKumber94QKumber94
    edited September 2016
    Ginjitsu wrote: »
    QKumber94 wrote: »
    I don't see why ppl who this doesn't concern feel the need to comment on it or be condescending. All yall who're talking [filtered] on me for drama are guilty of just that.
    Its simple to understand. Those of us who don't want to stay should have the option to take everything they had with them. There's no point in having 4 bank slots and a ton of char slots on a server you don't intend to use.

    This is harmless to those who want to stay. So trying to fight about it only says something about YOU.

    Who are you to say who can comment or not!? Keep in mind that the Tera forums is open to the public, and is owned by En Masse and not you.

    I guess its easier to dismiss others' comments as bashing or condescending instead of trying to continue the discussion...

    Actually, I made this thread in the hopes of proposing a solution. But If you want to be useless to the cause and keep bumping this thread up on the forums, go ahead. You'll just keep seeing it.
  • vkobevkobe ✭✭✭✭✭
    it is too late what is done is done we cant back, so the only thing we can do it is watch fey forest 2017 and have fun in ascension valley, so just enjoy ascension valley and watch the new reality show in fey forest B)
  • CezzareCezzare ✭✭✭
    edited September 2016
    QKumber94 wrote: »
    Ginjitsu wrote: »
    QKumber94 wrote: »
    I don't see why ppl who this doesn't concern feel the need to comment on it or be condescending. All yall who're talking [filtered] on me for drama are guilty of just that.
    Its simple to understand. Those of us who don't want to stay should have the option to take everything they had with them. There's no point in having 4 bank slots and a ton of char slots on a server you don't intend to use.

    This is harmless to those who want to stay. So trying to fight about it only says something about YOU.

    Who are you to say who can comment or not!? Keep in mind that the Tera forums is open to the public, and is owned by En Masse and not you.

    I guess its easier to dismiss others' comments as bashing or condescending instead of trying to continue the discussion...

    Actually, I made this thread in the hopes of proposing a solution. But If you want to be useless to the cause and keep bumping this thread up on the forums, go ahead. You'll just keep seeing it.

    I'm sure you understand a decision as big as a server merge isn't something EME can simply roll back, and this time, unlike back then when they openend HW and went full [filtered] allowing free transfers to anywhere, they took measures to help the merge being useful for future content updates. With that on mind, look at your orignal post, it sounds more like a rant, a tantrum, rather than an attempt to build an alternative approach to either the low end game activity in HW or the management of players who want to transfer out of FF. An opinion structured in such way won't make EME change it's mind about the issue, no matter how long it stays in the first page.

    I sincerely hope this thread gets locked, you expressed your disagreement, the rest explained you there are reasons behind the move, and it seems there won't be a middle ground. Enjoy.
  • edited September 2016
    QKumber94 wrote: »
    Interesting that you quote things and cut things out to make yourself look good.
    It's not to make me look good; they're issues that distract from your argument because you're just attacking other people for having contrary opinions. The crux of your argument is that acquiescing to your demands would be harmless, but it would not be. The rest of that post was just you dismissing other people, and that is not relevant.
    QKumber94 wrote: »
    Furthermore. It WOULD be harmless. Because it was 2 pvp servers and 1 pve server to begin with. Assuming its merely a portion of just the 1 pve server that wants out, It would barely leave a dent in the new server. The ppl who want out are already leaving anyway. But forcing them to leave behind unused bank and character slots does nothing. Its a waste. EME has been known to care about their community. They aren't ones to just force players to pay for what they already had. At least that's how it used to seem. I still love EME. But its ridiculous the lack of foresight they had with this.
    It's not a lack of foresight. Having this transfer opportunity was because people in your situation were actually foreseen. But the limitations placed on it were also part of the same "foresight" to not make it so easy/painless that all HW players with a casual preference for PvE would just leave. The disincentive is also by design. HW was, by far, the most populated of the three servers in this merger.

    Anyway, it won't change how you feel, which I actually do understand and appreciate. But the reason it won't be fixed and your solution won't be adopted (beyond the fact that it's not technically feasible to do) is because doing it this way was intentional.
  • Thank God i got all the slots that i need in time. I had to sell some things that i didnt want to, but anyway...
    Have fun with your pvp server and hope this is the last time eme force us to leave all the thingswe bought.
  • They should have merged the pvp servers together and the pve servers together. That way people didn't have to be forced to play on a pvp server. They are going to merge servers again anyways later, maybe next year.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭

    Mapris wrote: »
    They should have merged the pvp servers together and the pve servers together. That way people didn't have to be forced to play on a pvp server. They are going to merge servers again anyways later, maybe next year.

    Maybe next year it's going to be the last year for TERA.

    The way they showed how they don't care about us it's the reason why people left this game and continue leaving.

    The merge only helped to make this comunity smaller.
    It's not a lack of foresight. Having this transfer opportunity was because people in your situation were actually foreseen. But the limitations placed on it were also part of the same "foresight" to not make it so easy/painless that all HW players with a casual preference for PvE would just leave. The disincentive is also by design. HW was, by far, the most populated of the three servers in this merger.

    You clearly say that eme prefer for us to leave than to continue in this game.

    Thank You.
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