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Dragon Mounts info release

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  • counterpointcounterpoint mod
    Deathologist wrote: »
    counterpoint wrote: »
    Deathologist wrote: »
    I am sorry but the passive sound broken and sound p2w, you never heard me saying it before but I am saying it now. those passives need nerf or p2w af

    When this discussion happened last week, most people seemed to say that it was mitigated by the fact that they can also be earned in-game. I suppose it depends in part on just how hard they are to earn, but the cash shop version won't be more powerful than the in-game one, at the very least. In-game versions have the very same passive.

    it is a mount, it doesn't matter if it is free or not, this feature is there to force people to buy/use these mounts. Why run other mounts? I am pretty much sure people will be kicked or removed from CS, Raid parties, dungeons which you can mount if they don't have the mount. A mount giving DPS buff is the most F-ed up thing I have ever seen.
    Okay, I understand what you're saying, however:

    1) It's better to avoid the term "pay-to-win" because it doesn't mean what you're implying it does. You're using it as "you need to use this mount in order to win", but there's no required "paying." Acquire-to-win? lol (It is fair to note that paying is one of the ways to do it, though. To be seen how difficult it is to get in game.)

    2) All you have to do is get the mount once to receive the passive on your character. At that point, you can use whatever mount you want, as the passive will work regardless. You don't have to be mounted on this particular mount to get the passive.

    3) The nature of the passive ability itself is not that over-powered; it's a chance to proc for a very brief period, and only against monsters (so I think won't impact PvP). While I don't disagree with your point that people don't need any excuse to discriminate against other players in a PUG, the actual impact of having this passive is not going to be so very useful since it's unpredictable and brief. Due to the short duration and random nature, I don't think the impact will be as great as inner armor (which is already both on the cash shop and in-game).

    So... I do see your point, but I think it is mitigated to some degree.
  • IdunnowhenIdunnowhen ✭
    Lol tis is not p2w. It is just hilarious to me how some ppl are adamant that this is p2w and should not happen yet when it comes, they will farm for it.

    P2w means u cant play the game PROPERLY WITHOUT paying. U don't need the mount to clear sshm. It just makes ur dps look pretty if it proc.
  • DeathologistDeathologist ✭✭✭
    counterpoint wrote: »
    Deathologist wrote: »
    counterpoint wrote: »
    Deathologist wrote: »
    I am sorry but the passive sound broken and sound p2w, you never heard me saying it before but I am saying it now. those passives need nerf or p2w af

    When this discussion happened last week, most people seemed to say that it was mitigated by the fact that they can also be earned in-game. I suppose it depends in part on just how hard they are to earn, but the cash shop version won't be more powerful than the in-game one, at the very least. In-game versions have the very same passive.

    it is a mount, it doesn't matter if it is free or not, this feature is there to force people to buy/use these mounts. Why run other mounts? I am pretty much sure people will be kicked or removed from CS, Raid parties, dungeons which you can mount if they don't have the mount. A mount giving DPS buff is the most F-ed up thing I have ever seen.
    Okay, I understand what you're saying, however:

    1) It's better to avoid the term "pay-to-win" because it doesn't mean what you're implying it does. You're using it as "you need to use this mount in order to win", but there's no required "paying." Acquire-to-win? lol (It is fair to note that paying is one of the ways to do it, though. To be seen how difficult it is to get in game.)

    2) All you have to do is get the mount once to receive the passive on your character. At that point, you can use whatever mount you want, as the passive will work regardless. You don't have to be mounted on this particular mount to get the passive.

    3) The nature of the passive ability itself is not that over-powered; it's a chance to proc for a very brief period, and only against monsters (so I think won't impact PvP). While I don't disagree with your point that people don't need any excuse to discriminate against other players in a PUG, the actual impact of having this passive is not going to be so very useful since it's unpredictable and brief. Due to the short duration and random nature, I don't think the impact will be as great as inner armor (which is already both on the cash shop and in-game).

    So... I do see your point, but I think it is mitigated to some degree.

    I agree with you, but my biggest problem here is, we need to keep gear/dps buffs from cosmetics, Mounts are for riding, reaching places sooner, we need to give an active or passive which suit that and not just a random dps buff, it is more related, right? Just like the active I suggested for them, Turbo charger can be really fun to use and it is related to mounts.

    PS: I agree, I could not use P2W here but I freaked out about the passive hard lol
  • RakWraithraiserRakWraithraiser ✭✭✭
    ok account mount please. idk the crap how much i needed to pay (HAIL P2W)
  • Deleted UserDeleted User
    owo wtb royal account mounts please. I don't wanna roll boxes for them... :3
  • EishaaEishaa ✭✭
    edited September 2016
    @thekor Yes, this is definitely riding the fence when it comes to paying for in game progression, but as people pointed out before, the buffs on these mounts are not behind a strict paywall, so as long as it stays that way, I am personally fine with it. The ability to be able to obtain the best gear in this game both if you pay, and if you don't pay, is something I've always liked in particular about this game. The only thing about these mounts that has a "paywall" is the cosmetic aspect of them, but cosmetics have always been behind a paywall, and it's basically the reason that Tera can be F2P, so that's fine.
  • NopiNopi ✭✭✭✭✭
    RakWraithraiser wrote: »
    ok account mount please. idk the crap how much i needed to pay (HAIL P2W)

    This. I don't care about 5 secs of 2X pve proc. I just want to pop a dragon mount on a brand new character on stepstone island (even though we can't fly there. <.<) without having to keep re-buying the thing.
  • darkstriker07darkstriker07 ✭✭✭
    Deathologist wrote: »
    Heruvim wrote: »
    Jesus christ people, 8 pages of arguing about some proc buff, who the [filtered] cares about that [filtered], i'm just happy we get flying dragon mounts lol, some of you ppl needs to get a life

    We are happy about the mounts, but we shouldn't make mounts as part of gears, that is the problem and it is a big problem.

    how is that a problem actually?
  • HirokoTakashiroHirokoTakashiro ✭✭
    thekor wrote: »
    People really need to cool their jets about this whole thing. That being said, they also need to be aware. Tera is not completely pay to win. Yet, but paying does allow you to get to certain points after paying allowing you have much better gear much faster. which makes life a lot simpler.

    The new inner wears, this dragon mount and so on are . Getting into a dangerous place on the difference between playing , not paying, and being good. from those who will pay to gear and get items through currency rather than farming ingame. though the main factor is still luck.

    Now, While yes you can still get the mount through hardcore grinding. (probably made to take longer to encourage options of buying the emp box.) or by getting it through buying it with ingame gold.

    This is really testing the waters. To see how comfortable you are with them doing this. How much money they will make from having this done and if you are suspectable to more changes adding items like this in the future.

    If it goes well and a majority people remain unaware. Appearing happy, then they will do this again. Slowly, making progress. slowly going in and making more subtle changes like this . changing over time eventually reaching a point of when the majority of the best items are gotten through the cash shop without you noticing till too late.

    becoming pay to win. through a slow process that keeps the consumer base mostly at ease because of people who supported what seemed harmless as ideas like this one.


    Remeber, by supporting this idea you're supporting them. slowly adding more things like this it won't be a fast change its slow gradual. its been occurring for years now. While many of you may not have noticed it while. A few have.

    they are testing the waters more the amount of which you will stand for while continuing to play the game. Keep an eye open for future references back to this point and pay attention to the subtle changes. Otherwise this game could end up pay to win and you will not have noticed it.

    We can only hope En Masse won't go to far down the path of selling power through the cash shop, so far they have been one of the few who people trust not to sink into the p2w mess so many other western publishers do. Honestly we need numbers on the tokens, that would help settle me and a few others.
  • KetothKetoth ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2016
    I dont want dragons, i want ride this dog:

    9vptg3j.png

  • AsdflvrAsdflvr ✭
    Ketoth wrote: »
    I dont want dragons, i want ride this dog:

    9vptg3j.png

    Yes.
    Another Yes so I can post this comment.
  • KetothKetoth ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2016
    1000 tokens for royal and 750 for regular / spacecats just showed in the stream

    battleground : 5-7 per win
    dungeon: 15-30

    no info of what dungeons drop token/ neither if is for everybody in party or just 1 person
  • HirokoTakashiroHirokoTakashiro ✭✭
    Ketoth wrote: »
    1000 tokens for royal and 750 for regular / spacecats just showed in the stream

    battleground : 5-7 per win
    dungeon: 15-30

    What dungeon do they drop from?
  • Deleted UserDeleted User
    Ketoth wrote: »
    dungeon: 15-30

    I thought they drop from BAMs owo!
  • KetothKetoth ✭✭✭✭
    Saerath wrote: »
    Ketoth wrote: »
    dungeon: 15-30

    I thought they drop from BAMs owo!

    he said "... dungeons BAMS..." so could dungeons and bams or bams from dungeons
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