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TERA is NOT P2W

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  • You are not getting it.
    It starts as only 5 sec. Next dragon type cash item will doubles crit power for 10 sec. Then, the next one will be 20 sec long. And, finally, cash item that has aura as mystic with radius 40m.

    I can't believe that, you can think only 5 sec for now.
  • You're too paronoid, go play some other MMOs and see how P2W they are compared to this game.

    Tell me if you find a MMO with equal or greater advantage for free players than TERA. Now, if you mind if you gotta complain so much about TERA then quit if you don't want to see it get worse, it's the least you can do to save yourself from all of this complaining.
  • I play Vindi, where costumes give stats and pets give stats and neither can be traded in game (aside from airtight boxes and they are obscenely expensive.) That is P2W. Waiting to obtain a free in-game mount you have to grind for with the same stats as the in store version is not P2W. If you don't get an Iron or Crimson dragon when the tokens start dropping, that's no one's fault but your own. I will say i'm surprised they decided not to release a stat-free account bound version though. That would be nice for those who simply want the mount for pure aesthetics.
  • TomRipley wrote: »
    I've never spent any money on the game and was still able to get everything I want from the broker with ingame gold. I have elite for ages and still a lot of gold. Saying elite is p2w if you can easily get it ingame if you know what you're doing is just nonsense. Dragon mounts will also be available ingame through the tokens. Just because the tokens don't work yet, doesn't mean they will. It's just the usual patch day mess up.

    You must be gullible to believe that. A legitimate bug would cause the servers to be on an extended maintenance. They would have to rip out the whole dragon system if they wanted servers out sooner. There's nothing wrong with the dragons themselves, that's why they put the dragons on sale anyway.

    Most whiteknight definition of P2W = endgame gear through cash shop only. This is exactly what's happening. There's no eta when these will be available as drops. Just the fact that they're giving away elite for a whole week means a "fix" won't come out any time tomorrow or the weekend.

    You can't pretend it isn't endgame gear either, because you have to do level 65 content to get them in eu.
  • Saxblade wrote: »
    You're too paronoid, go play some other MMOs and see how P2W they are compared to this game.

    Tell me if you find a MMO with equal or greater advantage for free players than TERA. Now, if you mind if you gotta complain so much about TERA then quit if you don't want to see it get worse, it's the least you can do to save yourself from all of this complaining.

    You grinding/ farming 3 hours/ day with 4 alt. I am sure, you got enough gold to get all the dragons for each char. Basically, you want to increase the gap between casual light player and hardcore players.

    "LFG +15 with only new dragon with triple crit power aura + 40m radius "

    Why not just sell "Mystic Aura skill" for $100 in cash shop. I will buy it.
  • If you pay real money to acquire stat boots and power enhancements that can't be earned in game, you've gone P2W. It's that simple. You can't just move the goal posts on p2w and say "no, it's only if you like, actually turn into a god". That's silly. The acceptable barrier on real money items has always been cosmetics and things that save you time/money. The dragons cross that threshold pretty hard.
  • YamazukiYamazuki ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2016
    sanday wrote: »
    kamizuma wrote: »
    sanday wrote: »
    kamizuma wrote: »
    sanday wrote: »
    "It is an RNG buff with a low chance to proc."

    No, it's an RNG buff that procs very easily roughly every 40 seconds in a fight. And our concerns are not about this dragon mount making the game p2w, it's about the precedent this type of thing sets. Costumes and cash-shop items should NEVER be able to put credit-card warriors above other players. Now it's just dragons, but later on what will we get?

    Besides, it's also YET ANOTHER expensive and RNG-based thing end-game players need to get to stay competitive.

    competitive for what lol

    gr8 argument bro 10/10

    I'm serious. What is there to be competitive for? Bragging that you can do 2.5 mil dps instead of 2.4 mil??? You're going to find that if you stop caring about what other people do in this game and just focus on yourself, you're going to have a much better game experience.

    Some people like competing with others for dps. Just because you like to play the game a certain way doesn't mean that everyone else should be locked into your idea of how tera should be played.

    Then that's the way you have chosen to play, deal with it because getting the highest dps is not only matter of skill(even if in Tera skill is way more important at the end than gear) but having BiS, if you are supposed to get BiS for min-maxing, then you have gold enough to afford everything in game.

    If you can't afford it, then instead of thinking about being "competitive" in pve, think about how to efficiently play this game and that's something that Kamizuma can tell you better than me.

    DPS isn't skill based, it's skill multiplied by stats/gear and class. Two equally skilled players of the same class and the one with higher stats will deal more damage. Not all people who get BiS are also rich, there are actually people with limited time that have it, and expecting them to keep being able to afford something expensive, or something extremely grindy to get otherwise, is actually quite silly.

    Yeah, some of you don't care for pve balance (which is funny because some of you immediately complain when your class is not #1 dps), or care about the situations of others, but then why are you even wasting your time responding here? I guess since gear and stat differences is meaningless, so why not tell BHS to stop wasting their time balancing classes.
  • SaxbladeSaxblade ✭✭
    edited September 2016
    dinners
    That's the problem! Players rely too much on those things to get stuff done.

    That's my biggest gripe about cash shop stuff like this, but it doesn't mean it's the end of the world.

    From what I've been seeing, the average completion time range for SSHM is 15-30 minutes, when the fastest run is approximately 7 minutes. There's something wrong with the picture here. I don't see what the big deal is with players even needing stuff like this when they can find a way to get better so they don't have to use stuff like that.

    Players just need to stop wiping their heads on other players' asses, enjoy themselves and actually get good.
  • I played a SF Online (First person shooter) many years ago and that game is what I define P2W. I only have 2 guns to play freely, in game currency doesn't do me good because I can buy more crappy guns with it. In order to obtain viable/competitive guns, YOU HAVE TO SPEND MONEY TO BUY THEM regardless. That's what I called P2W.

    I am happy NA Tera does not work that way. As cheap players like me (lol) I can eventually get what I want as long other players sell stuff on broker.
  • dinners wrote: »
    Saxblade wrote: »
    You're too paronoid, go play some other MMOs and see how P2W they are compared to this game.

    Tell me if you find a MMO with equal or greater advantage for free players than TERA. Now, if you mind if you gotta complain so much about TERA then quit if you don't want to see it get worse, it's the least you can do to save yourself from all of this complaining.

    You grinding/ farming 3 hours/ day with 4 alt. I am sure, you got enough gold to get all the dragons for each char. Basically, you want to increase the gap between casual light player and hardcore players.

    "LFG +15 with only new dragon with triple crit power aura + 40m radius "

    Why not just sell "Mystic Aura skill" for $100 in cash shop. I will buy it.

    Can you stop using strawman arguments? This triple crit power aura + 40m radius that you MADE UP does not exist in the game, and will not impact us in the slightest until all your previous slippery slope logic comes true, which is HIGHLY unlikely.

    If you're so terrified of what the future may or may not hold, just quit playing any MMORPG that creates new content.
  • As many others have stated, the business model used for NA Tera is not P2W. Sure, you gain an advantage by spending money, as you can always buy EMP and sell it, or sell different items, but as a player who hasn't invested any real money in this game, I can say that I am satisfied with how the game works up to this point. You can choose to invest either time or money, it's totally up to the player and his wallet. I also don't believe that the dragons have set a precedent for that happening in the future, simply because we will be able to get them for free, by doing our dailies, and not spending a single gold or real money on them.

    However, to some degree, I can empathize with the people saying how the passive is silly to have for a mount, but as the Crusades are gone, I don't see why the minor advantage would be more favorable for the players that have them. Yes, it is a minor advantage, despite the damage boost it can potentially offer. It is based on rng, with a long cooldown, and can trigger in various situations when the party is not able to do damage on the boss (immunity, killing mobs etc.). And naturally, the small percentage doesn't mean anything if the player gets killed by the DDR mechanics.

    Honestly, of all the things we've had so far that most players have trouble affording (Quatrefoil Brooch, new innerwear, BiS gear), free mounts are the things that bug you the most? This is why we can't have nice things.
  • edited September 2016
    If you pay real money to acquire stat boots and power enhancements that can't be earned in game, you've gone P2W. It's that simple. You can't just move the goal posts on p2w and say "no, it's only if you like, actually turn into a god". That's silly. The acceptable barrier on real money items has always been cosmetics and things that save you time/money. The dragons cross that threshold pretty hard.

    I think the intention is/was always that these be directly available in-game as well, so I think that is the primary solution and certainly should have been in place at launch. (I personally don't agree with their decision to launch the cash shop version first, though I also don't believe this was some sort of cynical master plan all along.) But if those are the "goal posts," you also have to consider the impact of the broker, which does muddy the waters. F2P players can get these mounts as long as the boxes were purchased by someone. On the one hand this advantages the person selling the mount, but it also means that the F2P player could get it without paying a cent. So this "purchase offsetting" mechanic blurs the line. Do I think that's good enough in this case? No, as I said above. But it's a nuanced discussion. Unless "can't be earned in game" means "the broker doesn't count; you have to be able to farm it yourself and no money must ever change hands." But even that definition gets into some derivative cases.

    Anyway, there's no question that it's the fact these mounts have some stat implication, and the fact that the in-game farming methods were delayed, that causes this discussion to happen at all. Obviously it would have been way better for everyone had the delay not happened.
  • All discussions about p2w happen because there are many degrees of p2w system.
    This dragon mount per example, is a p2w element, but not 100% p2w. It only would be 100% p2w if it was an account bound mount, which one would only be got by real money.
    However, even now, mount can be got by gold and soon will be got in game, so there is no reason to get very upset. However, I understand people that are worry about that and I'm one of them. We don't know the plans of BHS for the future and each time a p2w element is intruduced in game players become uneasy.
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