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EME: Please listen to player concerns and remove the crit power passives from the new dragon mounts

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  • sandaysanday
    edited September 2016
    TWMagimay wrote: »
    sanday wrote: »
    As many problems as I have with Ketoth's math there (and I have a lot), people need to understand what kind of precedent these dragon mounts can set. If we accept this, we're likely to start seeing more things like these dragon mounts show up in the cash shop. Not only is this a [filtered] pain for dps because it's more expensive crap we need to pay for to keep competitive in endgame content, it might lead to even more crap like this.

    These dragon passives need to be removed even if they're harmless now (and they are certainly NOT harmless), simply because accepting it means accepting more p2w trash being added to our cash shop in the future.

    You are aware those mounts will be available in game, for free, right? The only reason they aren't is because some people "raised valid concerns".

    Yeah, I know. And we'll probably harm to farm our asses off for an item that shouldn't exist in the first place. So what if it's available to be farmed? You can't guarantee that the next p2w trash item is going to be available the same way.

    (also where are my free dragons? i dont see them anywhere)
  • TWMagimayTWMagimay ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2016
    sanday wrote: »
    Yeah, I know. And we'll probably harm to farm our asses off for an item that shouldn't exist in the first place. So what if it's available to be farmed? You can't guarantee that the next p2w trash item is going to be available the same way.

    So far, there haven't been any cash shop exclusive power items. I'm pretty sure the odds are in my favour as this mount is not a precedent. It's just like panties. As for the grind...we just have to wait and see. But, again, past experience says it will be fine.
    (also where are my free dragons? i dont see them anywhere)

    Well, some people, just like you, had some "valid concerns" which caused EmE to delay the free mounts. It'd have been nice if they shared those concerns with the rest of us...I have the weird feeling it's going to be absolutely moronic.
  • TWMagimay wrote: »
    sanday wrote: »

    (also where are my free dragons? i dont see them anywhere)

    Well, some people, just like you, had some "valid concerns" which caused EmE to delay the free mounts.

    Oh yeah, people like me are personally responsible for that.
  • TWMagimayTWMagimay ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2016
    sanday wrote: »
    TWMagimay wrote: »
    sanday wrote: »

    (also where are my free dragons? i dont see them anywhere)

    Well, some people, just like you, had some "valid concerns" which caused EmE to delay the free mounts.

    Oh yeah, people like me are personally responsible for that.

    Considering the reason Spacecast gave for the delay, yeah, I'd say the people who opened their mouths and caused the delay are responsible for the delay. You are free to disagree if you so desire. Now, whether their concerns were valid or stupid is anyone's guess.
  • ITT - people not happy with other people doing more damage... in PVE... lol
  • Ketoth wrote: »
    Sylviette wrote: »
    @Ketoth : your math only applies for average players who dps like a constant bot. If we're talking about min-maxing, never use average player base as examples, ever.

    Top tier dpses (at least those I know) know how to manage their cd effectively even with rng proc like blacksmith's mercy or hurricane, and they all agreed this buff increases their dps by roughly 5-10% (based on rng).
    20s is not long enough to heavily affect your dps, since 1.you have to wait until enrage/maxed debuff to blow all big cd anyway; 2, boss's enrage time are all around 37s and most classes's burst don't take more than 15s so you won't miss out any enrage burn time; and 3, certain top dps classes like ninja and archer (and even gunner with triple AB) can finish their big burst combo in 5s time frame with almost >80% crit rate, thus can fully utilize the 20% extra dmg. Just a reminder, in most high score runs you normally don't have the chance to use your big cd the 2nd time anyway, so there's little point in worrying about holding skills.
    Too bad once you learned the skill you can't get rid of it. Would be pretty easy to test out the actual dps increase otherwise.

    Ok, since we are not taking average we should go full power and no crit, since good players will know always crit no matter what and getting crit factor is useless...

    Also you prefer do 10million dps in one run than 10k in the next one, look like.

    The definition of DPS cant be separate from average otherwise we would be talking about DPH (damage per hit), and what really matter is DPS not DPH

    Hurricane is not RNG, because your mystic will only use the hurricane staff combined with other buffs in other to maximize the effect, and switch the healing staff back asap, since mystic can be out of combat really easy.

    Not sure why you're trying to turn away from the discussion with those sarcasm. Most of your comment didn't even touch what I'm talking about. Are you gonna say brooch is useless next because of the same "mathematics calculation" ?
    There ARE skills with high dps/crit chance, and how average players manage them is a lot different compare to top players. A 25% boost on 1 full FA which generally made up about 30% of your dps already increases your total dps by 7% alone by itself, and a 25% boost on some auto attack means nothing, but you still grouped them all into "average crit rate" to calculate the dps increase.

    Hurricane is RNG since the chance is not 100%. A lot of times it took me almost >10 hits to proc, thus missing queen's debuff after shield or krakatox sit time. Fyi, if you're doing high score run or recording highest dps, second matters.
  • TWMagimayTWMagimay ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sylviette wrote: »
    Fyi, if you're doing high score run or recording highest dps, second matters.

    Just curious...if you are into that kind of hardcore play...shouldn't you be able to afford a dragon or two? And shouldn't you welcome any boost you can get?
  • SaxbladeSaxblade ✭✭
    edited September 2016
    I DON'T AGREE WITH DRAGONS HAVING SUCH AN OP BUFF BUT DAMN!! GITGUD YOU FUUCKING SCRUBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • edited September 2016
    Xerses wrote: »
    Ownii wrote: »
    MangakaKen wrote: »
    Remove the buff EME. The mounts are fine as it is with HP/MP regen. We don't need an RNG critdmg chance to screw up the game's balance.

    They just CANT remove it anymore a lot of ppl spend allready XXXX money just for the Buff.

    This was brought up a number of times in the thread, and -- no matter how much people hate it -- is the only real issue. This angry thread should have happened last week and been much, much louder than this. Now, people have paid money for it. People have bought it from others via the broker. People who opened the lootboxes got the consumables and other runner-up prizes. It's just too late. The genie is out of the bottle and you cannot shove it back in.

    Personally, I do think it's a bit questionable to add this passive skill to mounts, but at the end of the day the legal implications are what make the proposal to change it now untenable.



    I believe the real issue is that they only release cash shop dragons instead of both. If these dragons were able to be aquired in game without swiping, this thread wouldn't exist. So now we have people on both sides of the aisle. Those who have good rng and win a dragon, and those who spend money and get shafted. Those who are shafted are gonna be salty about it and i don't blame them after EME said we were getting dragons. They weren't clear on how or which ones they were releasing so i'm sure we all assumed that we'd be able to start grinding for them day 1.

    Yes, this a fair point. Certainly some of the sting from this release would have been mitigated if they had released the in-game method at the same time. I do think that some people would have had this objection regardless, as there were some people even last week who were saying that, in principle, they should just never add any stat-related boosts to mounts. But, that inherent objection is definitely compounded by the current situation. (If it had been me, I think I probably would have delayed the cash shop versions until the in-game ones could be released at the same time... but someone had to make the call, and even if it wasn't done with this intention, they'll have to live with the perception as a result.)
  • HipsterDyozHipsterDyoz ✭✭
    edited September 2016
    If you think that the dragons buff gonna make players who owned it to be OP DPS, you are wrong and you must be one of the players who always think that having a full set of BiS gears and so called cash items is the only way to be OP DPS or whatever you wanna call it son.

    There are people who owned full BiS gears + consumables but deal less dps than the ones who had lower tier gears, DO YOU EVEN EVER NOTICE THAT?? or you are too busy complaining and stalking the so called "p2w" players instead of growing yourself up?

    Another question i would like to ask you son, are you going to pay the money back to the players for the mount they paid for? if you don't, then SHUT UP because you are not helping but you are screwing the game/players.

  • that buff dont proc on boss lol, hows that p2w, cry babt just cry lmfao
  • ObsObs ✭✭✭
    ukmyname wrote: »
    that buff dont proc on boss lol, hows that p2w, cry babt just cry lmfao

    It... does?
  • ObsObs ✭✭✭
    If you think that the dragons buff gonna make players who owned it to be OP DPS, you are wrong and you must be one of the players who always think that having a full set of BiS gears and so called cash items is the only way to be OP DPS or whatever you wanna call it son.

    There are people who owned full BiS gears + consumables but deal less dps than the ones who had lower tier gears, DO YOU EVEN EVER NOTICE THAT?? or you are too busy complaining and stalking the so called "p2w" players instead of growing yourself up?

    Another question i would like to ask you son, are you going to pay the money back to the players for the mount they paid for? if you don't, then SHUT UP because you are not helping but you are screwing the game/players.

    That's not really what the complaint is about. People are complaining more about the fact that it's another piece of gear they have to get. People will easily spend over 300k on another 3% damage. People spend less on VM gloves and Etching IIIs. This has the potential to give even more DPS. The problem is even worse right now because people can't even grind for the free ones right now.

    This won't make a bad player good, but no amount of gear will. Most people who can outdps an average BiS geared player given the same conditions most likely already have the resources to get BiS, with the exceptions being alts of skilled players. If you haven't noticed, the average Slaughter player does even worse than the average +15 BiS even accounting for the difference in gear.
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